Would it get me permanently banned? If so, I'm not sure I'm willing...
If I told you no, would you believe me?
Either way, your sacrifice would be honored in the coming empire.
I've got the hookup with the private Tali thread if you need me to send material
I don't think it was objectively dumb, because I don't agree with the assertion that the internet has "astronomically increased the speed and efficiency of communications" over methods that came before it, and it really hasn't had a huge societal impact even for the minority of the human race that actually has regular access to it.
To put things in perspective with an example, before the starting of trans-Atlantic wired telegraph services in the 1860s, it took around 3 weeks to send a message across the ocean. The telegraph reduced that to a few minutes. If we use an example of a telegraph message long enough that takes 10 minutes to convey and do the math, that is an increase in efficiency by an order of magnitude of over 2500x. The ability to transmit messages across entire continents in minutes rather than weeks or months forever changed how human society functioned. Entire wars used to be fought because of the inability to communicate over long distances, for example.
I think I said this before, but the fact that the telegraph increased speed (for some things) more than the internet doesn't mean that the Internet didn't also increase speed. Irrelevant. Plus, the telegraph only increased speed and efficiency for a single type of communication (written letters). The internet increased speed and efficiency for pretty much every possible type of communication. That's significant.
The internet, by contrast is only faster than the 1960s fax machine (actually, the patent for the first such device is from 1843 and used telegraph, but I'll use the more modern example that ran on telephone lines) it replaced by the seconds or minutes it takes the fax machine to print the sent message. The internet takes 2 seconds or so to send a 500 word E-mail from New York to London, whereas a fax machine would take that time and an additional 8-10 seconds to print the message, an efficiency improvment that can be measured in single digits, around 5-7x depending on message length. A couple seconds is not enough to make much of a difference unless you are trying to avert a nuclear war via email for some reason.
Ironically, you're focusing only on a short text email, while using a communication medium (an internet message board) that was literally not even possible before the invention of the internet. Even telephone party lines could only accommodate like 5 people total.
Also, what about sending a 300 page business document, which would take 30 minutes to an hour on most fax machines (particularly the ones that existed prior to the invention of the internet) and would be spit out in poor resolution B&W, and now takes 10 seconds to send it in high-res color? What about the ability to snap a photo of what you're looking at with your phone and send it to 30 people in just a couple of seconds, so they can see what you're talking about instead of you having to verbally describe it? Or WebEx, where you can have 30 people all over the world looking at what you're doing on your computer screen, turning a 3-hour phone call into a 30 minute call? I don't think I need to give more examples. Saying the internet wasn't a gigantic improvement in speed and efficiency of communications is ridiculous. I can't imagine you have ever worked in a business setting.
You may mention something like Skype, but it isn't any faster than the methods that proceeded it. Obama can call Putin no faster today than Kennedy could call Krushchev in 1963. The internet has also not revolutionized commerce to the extent many proponents claim. Mail order has existed for as long as the medium itself, and (to use Kennedy in the same paragraph again for convinence) that same US president was assasinated by a Mail order rifle bought from a physical magazine/ telephone combo in 1963. Even if you order something from Amazon instead, it must still be manufactured by traditional means, and physical shipping methods must be used to actually get it to you, so the reduction in time is once again perhaps a few minutes, not a significant change. Given, the internet does have the caveat of instantaneous transmission of digital media, but as of now that is mostly used for frivolous entertainment purposes such as movies, music, games etc.
No, I'm not going to mention Skype. Skype enhances communication, but doesn't speed it up.
The internet's actual impact on human society is mostly measured in how people in developed countries now spend their out of work hours and access entertainment. Facebook/ Skyping, playing online games, watching streamed TV shows or engaging in frivolous discussion on video game forums. It has also improved the efficiency and ease at which we can find information, though not to the point that has drastically altered the way society functions, because libraries and TV news networks still exist. The "digital age" has not changed the way we live the way the agricultural or industrial revolutions did, not even close. It hasn't even changed our lives or society in a fundamental manner as much as a seemingly mundane invention like the washing machine did, as I mentioned previously by pointing to its role in changes to the role of women in society and thus economic, cultural and social family dynamics.
Political, economic and social norms and paradigms are pretty much the same as they were in the 1980s or earlier before it, and the changes that have taken place have not been a result of the internet. We vastly overestimate the impact of the internet only because of its relative novelty and how it affects us now. It's neat, but ultimately trivial at this point, as evidenced by the fact that most of the world's population does without it with little adverse effect.
I'm not arguing that the internet has changed the way we live. I'm saying it enhances our ability to communicate. If you're in a developing country that still hasn't adapted to the progress of the industrial revolution, you have a lot bigger concerns than communication. I never argued with that.
I think I said this before, but the fact that the telegraph increased speed (for some things) more than the internet doesn't mean that the Internet didn't also increase speed. Irrelevant. Plus, the telegraph only increased speed and efficiency for a single type of communication (written letters). The internet increased speed and efficiency for pretty much every possible type of communication. That's significant.
Except that speed increase was insignificant over the methods that preceeded it in relative terms for the vast majority of the human population and does not affect them in any meaningful way, ergo I don't think it is "dumb" to conclude that objectively describing its impact as "astronomical" is reaching. I can't think of an important event in history within the internet's lifetime that would have played out significantly different without it.
Ironically, you're focusing only on a short text email, while using a communication medium (an internet message board) that was literally not even possible before the invention of the internet. Even telephone party lines could only accommodate like 5 people total.
Also, what about sending a 300 page business document, which would take 30 minutes to an hour on most fax machines (particularly the ones that existed prior to the invention of the internet) and would be spit out in poor resolution B&W, and now takes 10 seconds to send it in high-res color? What about the ability to snap a photo of what you're looking at with your phone and send it to 30 people in just a couple of seconds, so they can see what you're talking about instead of you having to verbally describe it? Or WebEx, where you can have 30 people all over the world looking at what you're doing on your computer screen, turning a 3-hour phone call into a 30 minute call? I don't think I need to give more examples. Saying the internet wasn't a gigantic improvement in speed and efficiency of communications is ridiculous. I can't imagine you have ever worked in a business setting.
This communication medium's availability isn't all that relevant, because it is used almost exclusively for entertainment purposes. My life and the lives of everyone on here wouldn't be significantly different without it, we would just spend the downtime doing other things that interest us. Your examples for people in specific occupations doesn't really matter.
Even in your extreme example, you are talking seconds vs minutes, not minutes vs weeks or months. The scale is simply not comparable. The second the ability to snap a selfie and send it to others becomes a means to move the human race forward, I will concede your point. It may be cool or important to you, but ultimately it isn't really that useful, especially when most people as mentioned still don't have internet access. I don't think I've ever used my phone's image sending function for anything but lols.
You're right, I don't work in a business setting. Neither does 95% of the human race, due to the fact that postindustrial societies aren't sustainable if anything more than an infinitesimal minority of the total population does so. That's sort of the point being made to demonstrate that the internet isn't really that revolutionary or important to most people, and can't be. It may be important to you, or someone who literally works in a field that spawned from it like IT as the other poster, but to the vast majority of other people it's at best unnecessary, and at worst irrelevant.
I'm not arguing that the internet has changed the way we live. I'm saying it enhances our ability to communicate. If you're in a developing country that still hasn't adapted to the progress of the industrial revolution, you have a lot bigger concerns than communication. I never argued with that.
Thanks for clearing that up, because in light of the previous conversation ( about the importance and "necessity" for modern humans to be knowledgeable in the workings of the internet in order to function) that would be like making a claim that the space shuttle "astronomically increased the speed and efficiency of transportation" for humanity as a whole. The internet enhances the ability to comunicate for the minority of the population that has regular access to it, yes, but it's impact even among the vast majority of people who have access to it is massively overstated.
The internet enhances the ability to communicate for the minority of the population that has regular access to it, yes, but it's impact even among the vast majority of people who have access to it is massively overstated.
I'm not sure if you can argue like that when the minority is something like 43% of all people on the planet. You make it sound like it was an elite 1%. 
Edit: Interesting stats btw... http://www.internetl...internet-users/
I'm not sure if you can argue like that when the minority is something like 43% of all people on the planet. You make it sound like it was an elite 1%.
Depends upon the method by which the statistic is taken, but 43% sounds like a gross overstatement when talking in terms of (admittedly subjective quantifier) "regular access". The fact that industrial workers in Shenzhen or Hyderabad can technically leave their flat/hut and go to an internet cafe doesn't really make much of a difference in their lives, nevermind the billions of people who don't even have reliable access to electricity, if any at all.
If I told you no, would you believe me?
Either way, your sacrifice would be honored in the coming empire.
I've got the hookup with the private Tali thread if you need me to send material
NO.
NO.
Actually, It doesn't really have any. Well, I didn't bother to scroll through 400+ pages but I didn't see any.
Poetry and hypothetical wedding plans for a video game girlfriend isn't really any less creepy, though.
Actually, It doesn't really have any. Well, I didn't bother to scroll through 400+ pages but I didn't see any.
Poetry and hypothetical wedding plans for a video game girlfriend isn't really any less creepy, though.
What have you done to you avatar? Admiral Xen was so much better. 
What have you done to you avatar? Admiral Xen was so much better.
my face after reading through this thread
Actually, It doesn't really have any. Well, I didn't bother to scroll through 400+ pages but I didn't see any.
Poetry and hypothetical wedding plans for a video game girlfriend isn't really any less creepy, though.
Well... it's not like one has to look very hard...
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Okay, noted. But what if am not? How suppose fight the right teabag accrues tomorrow? You my it's from bronze, but I play you Silver tiny planet two times ago day, but not night??? Yes, he called: Complete it want for a or new, and Power maybe what and get over things different someone got or anyone thing are using, yet COUNTER BALANCE of FAN WIRE TORQUE!!!
Only agrees playing on or tongue doing look, but I shy when do. You call tomato, I call bullsh*t. It knots work here or there, until the tea bag ringeth.
Try that console or comment, and humour being will birth.
PS. Table hockey wind up alcoholic shoe bakery. Win.
It's like a really cool game of Mad Libs, except every word is a blank!
Well... it's not like one has to look very hard...
c'mon, you can do better than that. I said we need something that will get this thread LOCKED, not some PG-13 nonsense.
c'mon, you can do better than that. I said we need something that will get this thread LOCKED, not some PG-13 nonsense.
What are you expecting, do you want someone to post a pic of femShep getting banged by Wrex or something?
c'mon, you can do better than that. I said we need something that will get this thread LOCKED, not some PG-13 nonsense.
I didn't actually plan to get my warning points into the double digits. 
I didn't actually plan to get my warning points into the double digits.
I don't have a single warning point yet. I feel so inadequate. 
Actually, It doesn't really have any. Well, I didn't bother to scroll through 400+ pages but I didn't see any.
Poetry and hypothetical wedding plans for a video game girlfriend isn't really any less creepy, though.
"My blue PURPLE rose of Illium BANANA..."
What have you done to you avatar? Admiral Xen was so much better.
I agree. If you must change it, switch it up with another Claudia Black Bioware character, and change your name to Sneaky Witch-Thief Master Race.
Dragon Age needs more rep on this board. I repped Sandal for a bit but "N'wah!" >>> "Enchantment!"
Except that speed increase was insignificant over the methods that preceeded it in relative terms for the vast majority of the human population and does not affect them in any meaningful way, ergo I don't think it is "dumb" to conclude that objectively describing its impact as "astronomical" is reaching. I can't think of an important event in history within the internet's lifetime that would have played out significantly different without it.
This communication medium's availability isn't all that relevant, because it is used almost exclusively for entertainment purposes. My life and the lives of everyone on here wouldn't be significantly different without it, we would just spend the downtime doing other things that interest us. Your examples for people in specific occupations doesn't really matter.
Even in your extreme example, you are talking seconds vs minutes, not minutes vs weeks or months. The scale is simply not comparable. The second the ability to snap a selfie and send it to others becomes a means to move the human race forward, I will concede your point. It may be cool or important to you, but ultimately it isn't really that useful, especially when most people as mentioned still don't have internet access. I don't think I've ever used my phone's image sending function for anything but lols.
You're right, I don't work in a business setting. Neither does 95% of the human race, due to the fact that postindustrial societies aren't sustainable if anything more than an infinitesimal minority of the total population does so. That's sort of the point being made to demonstrate that the internet isn't really that revolutionary or important to most people, and can't be. It may be important to you, or someone who literally works in a field that spawned from it like IT as the other poster, but to the vast majority of other people it's at best unnecessary, and at worst irrelevant.
Thanks for clearing that up, because in light of the previous conversation ( about the importance and "necessity" for modern humans to be knowledgeable in the workings of the internet in order to function) that would be like making a claim that the space shuttle "astronomically increased the speed and efficiency of transportation" for humanity as a whole. The internet enhances the ability to comunicate for the minority of the population that has regular access to it, yes, but it's impact even among the vast majority of people who have access to it is massively overstated.
If you're going to say that the internet doesn't offer a vast practical improvement for the majority of people, who either have no access or use it for trivial purposes, then that's fine - but that's not what you said. You were talking about technical capability, which is why I called it "dumb." You compared it to the telegraph, which was similarly not accessible or used by the vast majority of people on the planet at the time it was invented. The richest always have the benefit of the newest technology. That's not relevant to the capabilities of the technology.
What are you expecting, do you want someone to post a pic of femShep getting banged by Wrex or something?
Yes. Any krogan rule 34 would probably work, unless it involves Liara being involved and surviving because once again biower racism.
c'mon, you'd be doing the community a great service.
I didn't actually plan to get my warning points into the double digits.
I don't have a single warning point yet. I feel so inadequate.
wussbags
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bluePURPLE rose ofIlliumBANANA..."
I agree. If you must change it, switch it up with another Claudia Black Bioware character, and change your name to Sneaky Witch-Thief Master Race.
Dragon Age needs more rep on this board. I repped Sandal for a bit but "N'wah!" >>> "Enchantment!"
I'll go back to a standard not-spacebook profile picture of not-myself at some point.
Well, considering the ****-slinging between Cato and Mark has seemingly ceased, I think shutting this thread down with r34 stuff is no longer necessary. 
Sidenote: why is Tali purple in virtually all fanart despite not actually being purple?
She can be awfully blue sometimes, but definitely not purple.
This page alone is like reading a novel..Also, Tali skin......EWWWWWWWW..looks quite infected...better put some water on dat chit.
Sidenote: why is Tali purple in virtually all fanart despite not actually being purple?
She can be awfully blue sometimes, but definitely not purple.
rabid Tali fans tend to be butthurt that her face is actually a stock photo, and make up their own using this photo as evidence that we're all purple
which is racist. And stupid, because no one picks the green ending so it's not canon.
rabid Tali fans tend to be butthurt that her face is actually a stock photo, and make up their own using this photo as evidence that we're all purple
which is racist. And stupid, because no one picks the green ending so it's not canon.
Not to mention, that lady's not even purple. She's grey.
*gasp*
Yet ANOTHER Dunmer/Quarian similarity. I wonder if in ME:N, the Quarians are ruled by three immortal Quarians who command a floating island.
Okay, noted. But what if am not? How suppose fight the right teabag accrues tomorrow? You my it's from bronze, but I play you Silver tiny planet two times ago day, but not night??? Yes, he called: Complete it want for a or new, and Power maybe what and get over things different someone got or anyone thing are using, yet COUNTER BALANCE of FAN WIRE TORQUE!!!
Only agrees playing on or tongue doing look, but I shy when do. You call tomato, I call bullsh*t. It knots work here or there, until the tea bag ringeth.
Try that console or comment, and humour being will birth.
PS. Table hockey wind up alcoholic shoe bakery. Win.
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