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[DextroDNA]

I am very much against the idea of the game being set completely in Andromeda and the Ark Theory stuff, but I would be completely okay with the idea of the game being set in both.

 

The game could start out in the Milky Way, some time after the Reaper War. Pretty soon it would progress to us finding that big black structure from the concept art that is perhaps some kind of Relay that takes us to Andromeda. The game's plot takes place in Andromeda for the most part and all the exploration does, but we can travel to key locations in the Milky Way such as the Citadel, Omega and maybe some of the homeworlds.

 

This is the only situation I'd be okay with the game being set in Andromeda.

[Heimdall]

Considering that the only real point in moving to Andromeda is to shed the variable baggage the series has accrued over three games (Especially the third one), that would sorta defeat the purpose.

[DextroDNA]

Considering that the only real point in moving to Andromeda is to shed the variable baggage the series has accrued over three games (Especially the third one), that would sorta defeat the purpose.

That baggage from the end of ME3 is going to felt in ME4 regardless, unless the Ark Theory was true which it most likely isn't. But that's besides the point. The idea of going to Andromeda is stupid enough as it is, but if it was like this I'd be okay with it.

[Heimdall]

Saying that Ark Theory is unlikely doesn't make so, it's at least as likely as anything else at this point but anyway...

If we aren't cutting ties with the previous games than they might as well set it in an unexplored corner of the Milky Way, there literally would be no difference.

[DextroDNA]

Saying that Ark Theory is unlikely doesn't make so, it's at least as likely as anything else at this point but anyway...

If we aren't cutting ties with the previous games than they might as well set it in an unexplored corner of the Milky Way, there literally would be no difference.

That would be my preference, but I'm saying if the leak is true and the game is being set in Andromeda then this situation would be better

[Heimdall]

That would be my preference, but I'm saying if the leak is true and the game is being set in Andromeda then this situation would be better

And I'm just saying that's unlikely because they probably wouldn't have gone to Andromeda if that was their intention.

[Steppenwolf]

That would be my preference, but I'm saying if the leak is true and the game is being set in Andromeda then this situation would be better

 

Why would it be better? Retreading old ground is better just because? If the story is in the Andromeda then what is the point of wasting time and resources on the Milky Way besides satiating your nostalgia?

[DextroDNA]

Why would it be better? Retreading old ground is better just because? If the story is in the Andromeda then what is the point of wasting time and resources on the Milky Way besides satiating your nostalgia?

Because the stuff that's IN the Milky Way is a big part of the Mass Effect Universe, which I don't want to leave behind after only 7 years of existence.

[Patchwork]

I think the closest we'll get to the Milky Way is an cut scene in the prologue establishing some basic whos and whys. Then maybe maybe a QEC communicator later on which allows the player to speak to someone in the MW and the dialogue will take imported decisions into account. 

[Steppenwolf]

Because the stuff that's IN the Milky Way is a big part of the Mass Effect Universe, which I don't want to leave behind after only 7 years of existence.

There's an entire universe for BioWare to explore. Why shackle themselves to the same setting? And why hamstring the franchise by trying to adhere to the disparate and disappointing endings of ME3? There's no conceivable way to acknowledge players' choices without writing them off in favor of vagueness.

[Revan Reborn]

It's worth noting OP that many in here are major advocates of the Ark theory and they believe it to be true. Thus, regardless of what you say, they will support this move away from the Milky Way even if the Ark theory, in its most basic understanding, is not practical nor feasible with what we know about the MEU.

 

Even though it has been established long ago that only 1% of the Milky Way has been discovered and there are billions of stars that have never been explored, these supporters of the Ark theory would rather reboot and start over with a blank slate because BioWare "wrote themselves into a corner" apparently.

 

Inevitably, there is no means of compromise. Mass Effect up to this point has never been about intergalactic travel or exploring the universe. It has been about the civilizations in the Milky Way that are known. I'm more inclined to believe it's far more likely we will be exploring a new region of the Milky Way rather than going to an entirely new galaxy. The rumor/survey is hardly credible and the Ark theory fails to actually explain or address anything without major assumptions and leaps in logic.

 

The only entity who will be able to come up with any sensible argument for why going to Andromeda, or wherever, makes "sense" will be BioWare. We'll see soon enough just how "true" these rumors are with E3 rapidly approaching. I can assure you the likelihood of the setting taking place in more than one galaxy is highly unlikely.

[ZipZap2000]

We can't have a scenario post reaper war in the MW without blowing off what's left 'player choices' even in an unexplored area of the MW. I can't find fault with the idea of moving to Andromeda I think it's an exciting idea and I think we all became excited when we saw the concept art originally. Some of us even speculated it might be Andromeda but that's one off the few things I want to be true about the leak. 

 

Take all this RTS, Destiny, Halo, Jetpack, stuff and trash it if it's true.

[Steppenwolf]

It's worth noting, OP, that Revan Reborn is a major opponent of anything he doesn't like and decided that whatever he doesn't want to happen won't. Thus, regardless of what anyone says, he will not support any storyline that doesn't conform with what he specifically wants.

 

Even though it has been established that the 4 endings and various galaxy-states of ME3 are far too disparate to incorporate them into the next Mass Effect, he still thinks BioWare planned this all out years in advance and that they have no choice but to continue in the Milky Way.

 

Inevitably, there is no means of compromise. It's Revan Rebrn's way or the highway. There is no room for disagreement or creativity. The rumor/survey is largely credible but he ignore all evidence in favor of maintaining his delusion.

 

Even though he likes to frame his argument as a support of BioWare, he gives BioWare no credit in their ability to do anything new and different. We'll see soon enough how true the leaked survey is with E3 rapidly approaching, and I can assure you Revan Reborn will have a hissy fit if/when it's confirmed to be true.

[Karlone123]

It's worth noting, OP, that Revan Reborn is a major opponent of anything he doesn't like and decided that whatever he doesn't want to happen won't. Thus, regardless of what anyone says, he will not support any storyline that doesn't conform with what he specifically wants.

 

Even though it has been established that the 4 endings and various galaxy-states of ME3 are far too disparate to incorporate them into the next Mass Effect, he still thinks BioWare planned this all out years in advance and that they have no choice but to continue in the Milky Way.

 

Inevitably, there is no means of compromise. It's Revan Rebrn's way or the highway. There is no room for disagreement or creativity. The rumor/survey is largely credible but he ignore all evidence in favor of maintaining his delusion.

 

Even though he likes to frame his argument as a support of BioWare, he gives BioWare no credit in their ability to do anything new and different. We'll see soon enough how true the leaked survey is with E3 rapidly approaching, and I can assure you Revan Reborn will have a hissy fit if/when it's confirmed to be true.

 

The "I will not buy this game or any other bioware product ever again" comments will fester like pimples on greasy skin.

[Nitrocuban]

Well, Revan's posts are lengthy but weak and quite repetitive.

And in about 2 months chances are high that they will be make him look like a fool.

I hope someone keeps track of everything ready to repost it then.

:3

[Karlone123]

Well, Revan's posts are lengthy but weak and quite repetitive.

And in about 2 months chances are high that they will be make him look like a fool.

I hope someone keeps track of everything ready to repost it then.

:3

 

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[Han Shot First]

It's worth noting OP that many in here are major advocates of the Ark theory and they believe it to be true. Thus, regardless of what you say, they will support this move away from the Milky Way even if the Ark theory, in its most basic understanding, is not practical nor feasible with what we know about the MEU.

 

 

 

There is nothing in the lore rendering colonization of Andromeda as impossible. That Andromeda couldn't be colonized, is entirely based on assumptions by those opposed to the Ark Theory and not by actual in game material. 

 

 

 

Even though it has been established long ago that only 1% of the Milky Way has been discovered and there are billions of stars that have never been explored, these supporters of the Ark theory would rather reboot and start over with a blank slate because BioWare "wrote themselves into a corner" apparently.

 

 

That might be the case with some people who support an Ark Theory setting, but not all. My preference in fact is for a post-Destroy sequel in the Milky Way. I just don't have anything against the Ark Theory setting, and find the arguments that it can't be done weak and based entirely on assumptions.

 

Bioware did however write itself into a corner regardless of how that ends up resolved in ME: Next. It is nearly impossible to craft a sequel from Mass Effect 3 without either anointing one ending choice the sole basis for a sequel, retconning the endings all together, or setting the sequel entirely outside the Milky Way relay network to a region unaffected by the Crucible. No matter what they choose it is going to generate some controversy. 

[Larry-3]

I would not mind a slow transition to the next galaxy. In the next Mass Effect we could have half of the Milky Way accessible, and half of the Andromeda galaxy accessible. In Mass Effect 5, Andromeda could be the main location.

[LinksOcarina]

I think the closest we'll get to the Milky Way is an cut scene in the prologue establishing some basic whos and whys. Then maybe maybe a QEC communicator later on which allows the player to speak to someone in the MW and the dialogue will take imported decisions into account. 

 

Probably the most likely, or at least a mission early on before one leaves the Milky Way.

 

I still maintain that the game is going to give us a relay that heads to Andromeda, and it will be opened by the council to explore more of space after the Reaper war for resources. 

 

Hence the Pathfinder Initiative. 

[Revan Reborn]

There is nothing in the lore rendering colonization of Andromeda as impossible. That Andromeda couldn't be colonized, is entirely based on assumptions by those opposed to the Ark Theory and not by actual in game material. 

 

 

 

That might be the case with some people who support an Ark Theory setting, but not all. My preference in fact is for a post-Destroy sequel in the Milky Way. I just don't have anything against the Ark Theory setting, and find the arguments that it can't be done weak and based entirely on assumptions.

 

Bioware did however write itself into a corner regardless of how that ends up resolved in ME: Next. It is nearly impossible to craft a sequel from Mass Effect 3 without either anointing one ending choice the sole basis for a sequel, retconning the endings all together, or setting the sequel entirely outside the Milky Way relay network to a region unaffected by the Crucible. No matter what they choose it is going to generate some controversy. 

Intergalactic travel is not possible in the established lore. There is nothing to suggest colonizing other galaxies is remotely possible. The known races were struggling just to colonize planets in the Milky Way... The Ark theory literally has no credibility whatsoever other than that picture of a shirt that BioWare Montreal posted. That is the extent of Ark theory.

 

There is nothing "weak" about an argument suggesting Ark theory is not based on anything established in the MEU. If BioWare does turn out to take us to Andromeda, they are creating an entirely new lore for ME to justify it. That is fact.

 

Again, this is the flimsiest argument of them all. We don't know what BioWare is doing, so it's pretty ridiculous to claim they "wrote themselves into a wall" when they have never made that statement. Again, their writing team are the professionals, not the outspoken posters on BSN. People are over-exaggerating these endings purely because they don't want to deal with it. That decision should be and is left up to BioWare to decide what they can and cannot do.

[Patchwork]

Intergalactic travel is as impossible/possible as BW want it to be just like the Crucible and resurrecting the dead. 

[dreamgazer]

Intergalactic travel is as impossible/possible as BW want it to be just like the Crucible and resurrecting the dead.

Ultimately, despite any number of incredibly valid concerns brought up about how it twists the lore in a pretzel, this is correct.

Stan Lee puts it best when he discusses who'd win in superhero fights:

[Paridave]

Not a big believer in the Ark theory - makes it too easy, besides, it would be a side story of the Reaper War, a ship of refuges.  If it does take place in Andromeda it's quite possible that the Krogan's and their BFF's the Salarians, as well as the humans, have all, independently of each other, sent exploratory / colonist ships to that galaxy most likely between ME1 and ME2.  Think along the lines of "the Old World (English, French & Spanish) all trying to get a piece of the New World action.

[LinksOcarina]

Ultimately, despite any number of incredibly valid concerns brought up about how it twists the lore in a pretzel, this is correct.

Stan Lee puts it best when he discusses who'd win in superhero fights:

 

Man. Stan Lee got old. And awesome. 

[Torgette]

It's worth noting, OP, that Revan Reborn is a major opponent of anything he doesn't like and decided that whatever he doesn't want to happen won't. Thus, regardless of what anyone says, he will not support any storyline that doesn't conform with what he specifically wants.

Even though it has been established that the 4 endings and various galaxy-states of ME3 are far too disparate to incorporate them into the next Mass Effect, he still thinks BioWare planned this all out years in advance and that they have no choice but to continue in the Milky Way.

Inevitably, there is no means of compromise. It's Revan Rebrn's way or the highway. There is no room for disagreement or creativity. The rumor/survey is largely credible but he ignore all evidence in favor of maintaining his delusion.

Even though he likes to frame his argument as a support of BioWare, he gives BioWare no credit in their ability to do anything new and different. We'll see soon enough how true the leaked survey is with E3 rapidly approaching, and I can assure you Revan Reborn will have a hissy fit if/when it's confirmed to be true.

Well to be fair while ME3 gives us choices, none of it is gray - it's basically 4 black & white decisions. Being black & white about it is fine I guess?