Hey Bioware wanted an ending people would talk about. They got their wish.
Ahh the create so bad it'll go down in folk lore route.
Suppose it worked i'll never forget that trainwreck or likely stop holding some degree of grudge for the final deliberate insult regarding Shep.
I've said it before, but personally I'm more than fine with Shepard being dead. I liked the heroic sacrifice angle, even though I know it's not everyone's cup of tea. I was a bit sad to see my favourite Shep go but I actually liked that it made me a bit sad. I think the breath scene is sufficient to be honest, if you want Shep to be alive you can take it as a sign, if you liked the sacrifice thing you can take it as Shep's dying breath.
If I'm totally honest, I've got zero interest in any happy, sun's shining, everything is awesome reunion scenes ala Citadel. But again - that's just me.
I've said it before, but personally I'm more than fine with Shepard being dead. I liked the heroic sacrifice angle, even though I know it's not everyone's cup of tea. I was a bit sad to see my favourite Shep go but I actually liked that it made me a bit sad. I think the breath scene is sufficient to be honest, if you want Shep to be alive you can take it as a sign, if you liked the sacrifice thing you can take it as Shep's dying breath.
If I'm totally honest, I've got zero interest in any happy, sun's shining, everything is awesome reunion scenes ala Citadel. But again - that's just me.
I've said it before, but personally I'm more than fine with Shepard being dead. I liked the heroic sacrifice angle, even though I know it's not everyone's cup of tea. I was a bit sad to see my favourite Shep go but I actually liked that it made me a bit sad.
Same. My first Shep died as I didn't have enough EMS to get the breath scene, but I still loved it despite feeling down. My canon Shep lives, but if it fits other Sheps' character I'll glady sacrifice them.
I've said it before, but personally I'm more than fine with Shepard being dead. I liked the heroic sacrifice angle, even though I know it's not everyone's cup of tea. I was a bit sad to see my favourite Shep go but I actually liked that it made me a bit sad. I think the breath scene is sufficient to be honest, if you want Shep to be alive you can take it as a sign, if you liked the sacrifice thing you can take it as Shep's dying breath.
If I'm totally honest, I've got zero interest in any happy, sun's shining, everything is awesome reunion scenes ala Citadel. But again - that's just me.
And that's fine. I have no problem with a heroic Sacrifice being a possible outcome.
But virtually all outcomes?
And the only one that's not leaves Shepard a faceless torso buried in rubble and written off as dead by most of the galaxy anyway? Why does dead Shepard get explicitly spelled out scenes, but live Shepard just get that?
And the only one that's not leaves Shepard a faceless torso buried in rubble and written off as dead by most of the galaxy anyway? Why does dead Shepard get explicitly spelled out scenes, but live Shepard just get that?
speculation for everyone
Here's a speculation. Maybe they did that to bring Shepard back. Not saying they will, but the possiblity is there if EA/Bioware chooses to.
I would like to of had Bioware expand the breath scene. Doesn't have to be anything fancy.
And the only one that's not leaves Shepard a faceless torso buried in rubble and written off as dead by most of the galaxy anyway? Why does dead Shepard get explicitly spelled out scenes, but live Shepard just get that?
Why not? Enough games have happy ends, why not have one that's mostly grim but still has one ending where the hero can live? Also it's not stated that the galaxy writes him off as dead, it can work both ways, it depends on the player's imagination. If your Shepard lives and will be found, everyone will know 
I know it's a small consolation for those who wanted to see more, but still.
Why not? Enough games have happy ends, why not have one that's mostly grim but still has one ending where the hero can live? Also it's not stated that the galaxy writes him off as dead, it can work both ways, it depends on the player's imagination. If your Shepard lives and will be found, everyone will know
I know it's a small consolation for those who wanted to see more, but still.
I suppose there's a chance the public doesn't know - the reapers are no longer a threat in this scenario, even if Shep didn't retire she/he and the crew would be wise to stay clear of attention (much like the last time Shep died).
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I agree. I mean, if anyone thought or expected that Shep would wind up alive in a happy ending then all of the symbolism and hints that he would sacrifice himself throughout the entire trilogy went way over their heads.
I see no symbolic signs of sacrifice in the story. It depends on your choices.
**** sacrifice. For what? Sacrifice in and of itself isn't cool. It depends on what you sacrifice for. Sacrifice to save a drowning kid, or offering a kidney to a dying family member..... but sacrificing yourself so the Reapers can be like "real boys"? No thanks. This is about the nerdiest sh*t ever. I'm not dying for it. Come up with a better reason, and I'll praise all the noble traits of sacrifice. 
If you think it's symbolic that Mordin and Legion die, then you're seeing it differently than me. I shot Legion. He's a Judas. Not Jesus. He didn't sacrifice himself.
Problem with showing Shepard being rescued comes from the state of the Citadel in High EMS Destroy and lack of familiar characters on it. ME1 cutscene featured Anderson (dead in ME3) and squadmates (stranded on some planet). Who is left on the Citadel to play a role in such a cutscene? Bailey is the only one who comes to mind, but I think we'll all agree that having him in that saving cutscene would not have had the same impact as Anderson and squadmates in ME3.
I'm quite content with the breath scene. If they show Shepard being rescued in remastered edition, cool, if not, I won't lose my sleep over it. Shepard is clearly alive for me, I don't need a cutscene to spell it out. I understand that it's not the case for everyone though.
I suppose there's a chance the public doesn't know - the reapers are no longer a threat in this scenario, even if Shep didn't retire she/he and the crew would be wise to stay clear of attention (much like the last time Shep died).
Of course, everything's valid and up to the player what is happening afterwards.
Why not? Enough games have happy ends, why not have one that's mostly grim but still has one ending where the hero can live? Also it's not stated that the galaxy writes him off as dead, it can work both ways, it depends on the player's imagination. If your Shepard lives and will be found, everyone will know
I know it's a small consolation for those who wanted to see more, but still.
Why not? Because the game's story is supposed to be shaped by player choice. If the player wants to have a "rainbows farting unicorns" ending (or whatever the hipsters are calling it these days), and they've been playing a game to reflect that, perfect SM and all, why shouldn't they get it? Isn't that what "player agency is all about? Shaping your own story rather than watching one on the screen?
If I wanted that, that's what tv is for.
As for Shepard being written off, the crew's holding a funeral for him/her. They made a plaque for the memorial wall and anything. It's only because the LI is sudden;y Force-sensitive that it gets interrupted. It's not like Hackett's voice suddenly comes over the intercom saying "we found Shepard. He/She's alive!"
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Problem with showing Shepard being rescued comes from the state of the Citadel in High EMS Destroy and lack of familiar characters on it. ME1 cutscene featured Anderson (dead in ME3) and squadmates (stranded on some planet). Who is left on the Citadel to play a role in such a cutscene? Bailey is the only one who comes to mind, but I think we'll all agree that having him in that saving cutscene would not have had the same impact as Anderson and squadmates in ME3.
I'm quite content with the breath scene. If they show Shepard being rescued in remastered edition, cool, if not, I won't lose my sleep over it. Shepard is clearly alive for me, I don't need a cutscene to spell it out. I understand that it's not the case for everyone though.
Aria and yeah, Bailey. A romanced Jack and Miranda are close on the ground. Maybe if Cortez survived, he'd fly them up there. 
I don't need to see all of this though. The pieces fit well enough for me to imagine some scenarios.
But this idea that I should accept death and sacrifice, because of symbolism or something..or doing it for the "greater good".. I dismiss it completely. There isn't anything in this war worth dying for. Worth fighting -- and maybe dying in the process.. yes. But not "dying" in and of itself. I'll take the George Patton philosophy instead. "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
I agree. I mean, if anyone thought or expected that Shep would wind up alive in a happy ending then all of the symbolism and hints that he would sacrifice himself throughout the entire trilogy went way over their heads.
Just off the top of my head:
"There's always hope. It's what's gotten us this far"
"Let's get it done, and go home"
"But take heart, look around you. You are not in this fight alone"
That's just in Priority: Earth.
Aria and yeah, Bailey. A romanced Jack and Miranda are close on the ground. Maybe if Cortez survived, he'd fly them up there.
I don't need to see all of this though. The pieces fit well enough for me to imagine some scenarios.
Shepard helped a lot of people on the Citadel, many might be more than happy to get him out of there and tend to his wounds 
How about CONRAD (if he survived 
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Aria and yeah, Bailey. A romanced Jack and Miranda are close on the ground. Maybe if Cortez survived, he'd fly them up there.
I don't need to see all of this though. The pieces fit well enough for me to imagine some scenarios.
But this idea that I should accept death and sacrifice, because of symbolism or something..or doing it for the "greater good".. I dismiss it completely. There isn't anything in this war worth dying for. Worth fighting -- and maybe dying in the process.. yes. But not "dying" in and of itself. I'll take the George Patton philosophy instead. "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
JohnP's Alternate MEHEM included voiceovers of the crew (plus LI, if Jack or Miranda) to the breath scene, indicating that they returned and found Shepard alive.
Just off the top of my head:
"There's always hope. It's what's gotten us this far"
"Let's get it done, and go home"
"But take heart, look around you. You are not in this fight alone"
That's just in Priority: Earth.
But there's a lot of doubt in this mission too. Garrus talks about meeting up in heaven if this goes sideways, and a romanced Kaidan is also not hopeful ("We know this is goodbye."). It goes both ways. For me Priority: Earth always had a very dark tone to it.
But there's a lot of doubt in this mission too. Garrus talks about meeting up in heaven if this goes sideways, and a romanced Kaidan is also not hopeful ("We know this is goodbye."). It goes both ways. For me Priority: Earth always had a very dark tone to it.
Sure it was dark. So was the Suicide Mission. At his most optimistic Jacob says "We have a chance. A small one. But a chance" And you know what? I could get everyone out alive.
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But there's a lot of doubt in this mission too. Garrus talks about meeting up in heaven if this goes sideways, and a romanced Kaidan is also not hopeful ("We know this is goodbye."). It goes both ways. For me Priority: Earth always had a very dark tone to it.
All the characters have different takes on this. Why hang on the words of Garrus and Kaidan? They're just two people. Jack says "Don't get killed, dumb ass. Afrer this, I'm getting laid." Wrex says he'll let you have a home on Tuchanka. And Joker will call you out, if you start acting all fatalistic and stuff.
All the characters have different takes on this. Why hang on the words of Garrus and Kaidan? They're just two people. Jack says "Don't get killed, dumb ass. Afrer this, I'm getting laid." Wrex says he'll let you have a home on Tuchanka. And Joker will call you out, if you start acting all fatalistic and stuff.
Those were just examples that there are also some who expressed doubt.
But anyway, this doesn't really lead anywhere. I'm sorry for people if they didn't get the ending spelled out as they wanted, but it is what it is.
But anyway, this doesn't really lead anywhere. I'm sorry for people if they didn't get the ending spelled out as they wanted, but it is what it is.
I just wish Bioware was as sorry.
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Those were just examples that there are also some who expressed doubt.
But anyway, this doesn't really lead anywhere. I'm sorry for people if they didn't get the ending spelled out as they wanted, but it is what it is.
Yeah, I'm just saying.. they're just two people among many. Some focus on the future, others are more down to earth and grounded.
If I worried about what some characters said, I'd be miserable -- because Liara specifically is a debbie downer through the whole game. She doesn't have "fighting spirit", well before the ending. Right at Mars she's already this way. Javik is a perfect contrast... But they are just two people as well. You take what you want from them.
As for Shepard being written off, the crew's holding a funeral for him/her. They made a plaque for the memorial wall and anything. It's only because the LI is sudden;y Force-sensitive that it gets interrupted. It's not like Hackett's voice suddenly comes over the intercom saying "we found Shepard. He/She's alive!"
Yeah like they spent all their time designing a scene to give dead Shep's loads of closure and clarification, then decided to troll the 'live Shep' scenario by forcing them to endure the same scene of their crew writing off Shep as dead with only a tiny bizarre pause in the funeral ceremony. Mods have shown how simple it is to reflect scenario with integrity.
There's actually plenty of movies that end with such ambiguous endings.
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