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[Aren]

"I am kind of a weirdo about dressing up in RPGs. I am that person who will wear a piece of armour for longer than is appropriate because I think it suits my character. I am that person who likes to change outfits depending on the situation."

 

I agree completely with this part of the article,in DAO (thanks to a tons of mod,i must admit) i use to change outfit often,when i speak to Anora or any important noble i wear something that is more appropriate,when i travel through the brecilian forest i wear a travel outfit,when i'm in battle i wear The Warden commander armor (The awesome design from DAII with retexture),when i'm at camp i wear my pijama ecc....

I must confess that in this regard i'm so obsessed that after a battle before to change the outfit i use some mages of my party to cast ice spell on my warden (or the waterfall of the brecilian forest) to wash my Warden(to eliminate the smell of darkspawn's blood),while i use some spirit balsam or others stuff like that.

I know this sounds beyond ridiculous but it help me to immerse more into the adventure.

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh, so this is just about the Skyhold clothes again?

 

I hereby withdraw my harsh inquiry.

 

I still don't think it's an emergency personally, but this I understand from someone else's POV, since there really is only one outfit. Which admittedly looks silly, at least for anyone not roleplaying as (male) Prince Charming of Rainbow Wondercastle.

Yeah, it's just about the clothes.  

 

Honestly, if you remove those rose prints on the front of the vest, I think it looks infinitely better than the Skyhold pajamas.

 

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I looked up images for the dress mod, and I have to say I can't say that I'm sold on the look.

I liked the male look that someone had made.  I'll try to find the screenshot, but that actually outfit looked really nice with the black vest, black pants, white rose and white shirt.  It's the colors I couldn't stand, especially those stripes on the pants.  Blegh.

[KaiserShep]

 

"I am kind of a weirdo about dressing up in RPGs. I am that person who will wear a piece of armour for longer than is appropriate because I think it suits my character. I am that person who likes to change outfits depending on the situation."

 

I agree completely with this part of the article,in DAO (thanks to a tons of mod,i must admit) i use to change outfit often,when i speak to Anora or any important noble i wear something that is more appropriate,when i travel through the brecilian forest i wear a travel outfit,when i'm in battle i wear The Warden commander armor (The awesome design from DAII with retexture),when i'm at camp i wear my pijama ecc....

I must confess that in this regard i'm so obsessed that after a battle before to change the outfit i use some mages of my party to cast ice spell on my warden (or the waterfall of the brecilian forest) to wash my Warden,while i use some spirit balsam or others stuff like that.

I know this sounds beyond ridiculous but it help me to immerse more into the adventure.

 

 

I'm kind of the same way. In ME3, I never used Shepard's hoodie except during off time, always used the black uniform from the prologue to differentiate from the other crew members, and used the blue Alliance uniform for interviews with Allers. I love being able to swap out outfits/armors for various occasions.

[Felya87]

Honestly, if you remove those rose prints on the front of the vest, I think it looks infinitely better than the Skyhold pajamas.

 

 

I looked up images for the dress mod, and I have to say I can't say that I'm sold on the look.

 

Actually, it would be waaaaaaay better than the PJs. I have this hate for the beige color from when I was a kid. I can't stand any brownish colour (all the cromatics from cream to dark brown) because most of the clothes my grandmother gave me as presents where ALWAYS brown or beige. The only colours I can't stand.

 

I know, is a silly things... but is something that quite frankly irritate me even now, and actually effects my wardrobe. I never, ever buyed anything brown/beige for myself to wear. Gray? yes. Beige? no.

 

It irritate me having my inquistors forced to wear the beige thing.

[AppalachianApex]

Um.... what? Are we playing the same game?

 

There's multiple basic armors for each class, which can be shared cross-class with materials solely designed for that purpose, recolored by the individual parts & physically altered in multiple spots. And then there's uniques, too.

 

Not only do I think they should put their primary focus on other things, but even if it's the most important feature to you, that just seems intentionally picky. It's the visually most customizable game they have ever done - they are so in your face about customizability in fact, I was sure this is another weird troll until I read some of the serious responses given.

 

They just can't win.

 

Uh, where exactly did I say this was "most important" to me? Ah, I didn't.

 

I found a well-written article that makes good points. That's it.

 

Inquisition's armors are comprised of three main sets. Armor, scout coat, and mage coat, with three or so mix-and-match arm and leg pieces each. The "Uniques" you talk about are few and far between and almost all race-locked.

But this really isn't about the armor. But I'm getting the feeling you might not have actually read the article because otherwise you'd know that.

 

This is about why extremely limiting and poor clothing options such as the Skyhold Pajamas and the Orlesian ball pantsuits hurt the game and limit player's ability to role-play.

 

Yes, we're playing the same game. And I love this game. But that does mean I cannot see it's flaws nor does it mean that I will not post interesting and well-written articles pointing out those flaws and how they impact the game.

 

If you find that "picky" then this clearly isn't the thread for you.

[Grieving Natashina]

 He made a follow up post:

 

Oh, so this is just about the Skyhold clothes again?

 

I hereby withdraw my harsh inquiry.

 

I still don't think it's an emergency personally, but this I understand from someone else's POV, since there really is only one outfit. Which admittedly looks silly, at least for anyone not roleplaying as (male) Prince Charming of Rainbow Wondercastle.

 

[AppalachianApex]

 He made a follow up post:

 

Ah, then I apologize for my confrontational reply. I only get taken to the post my notification leads me to, so I didn't catch the follow up. Thanks for that.

[Grieving Natashina]

Ah, then I apologize for my confrontational reply. I only get taken to the post my notification leads me to, so I didn't catch the follow up. Thanks for that.

No worries, it's early.  

[BansheeOwnage]

However, with The Black Emporium coming out soon, I thought this would be a great time to ask for something like a tinting table for clothes.  If they can't do it in time for TBE, then I don't see why they can't in a patch like they did with the armor table (to the devs: that was awesome and thank you.)   Multiple outfits would be nice, but I have seen the men's causal clothes in black and they don't look as ridiculously skintight imho. Most of these multiple requests for the clothes have been very polite, and aren't badgering the company unlike some of the other repeated requests I've seen in Feedback.

We know the Black Emporium was ready to play and was most likely visually done (we saw screenshots) months ago. So, unless it had an unprecedented amount of bugs to fix, I can't see a reason for it being released so late unless they're making some cool new things. I try not to get my hopes up, but I would be so pleased if they had at least one of the following:

 

- More hair (without sideburns and male-pattern baldness)/a way to remove sideburns...

- Being able to save an appearance as a preset

- More casual outfits

- Tinting for Skyhold outfit and possible new casual outfits.

- Armour toggle for Skyhold.

 

I'll be particularly disappointed if the last two aren't added though, because the mechanics for both have been in the game since launch (you can tint the Skyhold outfit indirectly on mage armour, so tinting works for it mechanically + modders have let you wear armour in Skyhold by switching a 1 to a 0 and you could wear armour in Haven, so it's not hard).

 

Also, I am a firm believer that any complaint is valid if a previous game made by the same company (or in the same series) did the same thing much better. That's why lack of good hair is a very valid criticism (among other reasons) and that's also partly why lack of casual outfits is another. As others said, ME had a few options, and things are supposed to improve as you make more games. I love the N7 hoodie! In fact, I'm wearing it in real life right now!

[TheOgre]

That the whole "PC versus Console" gamer thing is stupid, childish and has gone on for far too long.  What should matter is, in this case, that we all feel passion for this franchise and this company.  Whether that's good passion or bad depends upon the poster, but we obviously all feel strongly enough about this to be on the official forums.  I know that I'm not the only PC gamer that thinks that "Master Race" stuff (which started as a joke that's gone too far) is immature.  We all love games, and most of us still enjoy at least one or two of the games out of the DA franchise.  

 

Some of us prefer a controller, a nice TV and the couch.  Some of us can't afford a great gaming rig due to a lack of funds.  Most of the time, unless the person is unlucky, a good console will last 3-4 years without worrying about upgrading.  

 

Others, like me, prefer to play with a M/KB.  I'm lucky enough to have the funds to spare for a nice gaming computer.   Why the frag should it matter if we're on PC or console?  It's just pretty pixels, when you boil everything down to the most basic level.  

 

Why is a lot of the gaming community wasting time spreading yet another divide among gamers over how we enjoy those pixels?  Because one group can use mods in some of their games, and another can't?  What is this, the first grade?
 

It's the same idiotic argument from my childhood all over again.  "Sega vs Nintendo."  It didn't sound any more intelligent when I was 8 than it does 27 years later. It's all the same bullshit.   "Xbox vs Playstation!"  "Nintendo versus Xbox!"  Who cares?  If anything, it's becoming more and more meaningless these days with console ports of PC games, PC games getting console ports, fewer console and/or PC exclusives, as well as M/KB support with modern gen consoles (it still needs work, but it's getting there for gaming) and controller support for PC.  

 

That's what I was getting at.   I apologize if this came off as a rant.  It wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular, I promise.  You can tell that this is a bit of a sore subject for me.  

 

pc gamer here, prefer console myself only because I've had plenty of trouble running some games, current, on pc fresh out of release.  Also found less hackers in the games I play on console (especially since I play the Souls series... I'm not getting Scholars of the First Sin for pc, as they never punish hackers in that game). 

 

As for that sentiment I can agree. I'd prefer a bit more freedom to fix some inherent issues with load times or the sort. But at the end of the day, I don't subscribe to the PC vs Console debates.

[prosthetic soul]

Uh, where exactly did I say this was "most important" to me? Ah, I didn't.

 

I found a well-written article that makes good points. That's it.

 

Inquisition's armors are comprised of three main sets. Armor, scout coat, and mage coat, with three or so mix-and-match arm and leg pieces each. The "Uniques" you talk about are few and far between and almost all race-locked.

But this really isn't about the armor. But I'm getting the feeling you might not have actually read the article because otherwise you'd know that.

 

This is about why extremely limiting and poor clothing options such as the Skyhold Pajamas and the Orlesian ball pantsuits hurt the game and limit player's ability to role-play.

 

Yes, we're playing the same game. And I love this game. But that does mean I cannot see it's flaws nor does it mean that I will not post interesting and well-written articles pointing out those flaws and how they impact the game.

 

If you find that "picky" then this clearly isn't the thread for you.

The article SHOULD be about the armors all the same, because the armors are just as lacking as the skyhold pajamas. 

[Klebermoreira17]

A transmog and recolor system for armor, helmets , weapons and shields , as would improve and the problem. In my opinion.

[Sidney]

I'm always a bit mystified at griping about clothes in terms of aesthetics . You are dealing with some other era in some other place/time/planet. The odds that their idea of fashion happens to align with your is slim at best. Fashion is often, well ugly. I give you the 1970s as example one. There was an era in France where women wore ships on their hats for, well, no reason. Yes the skyhold Jammies are ugly to me but in the end so are about half the people I see running about at the store in their PJs today.

I'm far more worked up about non-functional or misused clothing. While I love the Orleasian hat + duster for the spaghetti western look I can throw down the idea that a hat or mask is "armor" is far more jarring than poor fashion decisions.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

I'm always a bit mystified at griping about clothes in terms of aesthetics . You are dealing with some other era in some other place/time/planet. The odds that their idea of fashion happens to align with your is slim at best. Fashion is often, well ugly. I give you the 1970s as example one. There was an era in France where women wore ships on their hats for, well, no reason. Yes the skyhold Jammies are ugly to me but in the end so are about half the people I see running about at the store in their PJs today.

I'm far more worked up about non-functional or misused clothing. While I love the Orleasian hat + duster for the spaghetti western look I can throw down the idea that a hat or mask is "armor" is far more jarring than poor fashion decisions.

 

The Souls games are an excellent example that you can have armor and clothing realistic to a time period (even if it takes place in another universe) that is aesthetically pleasing and practical at the same time. Not all of it's realistic and nice, but most of it is.

 

Hell, Origins' heavy armor (but not the massive armor because, in my opinion, that crap was fugly as hell) proved the same thing. So did DA2's Grey Warden armors and some other things. Plenty of attractive practicality to around then. Not so much in DAI. Most of the practical + attractive armor in this game isn't even possible to acquire.

[Sidney]

The Souls games are an excellent example that you can have armor and clothing realistic to a time period (even if it takes place in another universe) that is aesthetically pleasing and practical at the same time. Not all of it's realistic and nice, but most of it is.
 
Hell, Origins' heavy armor (but not the massive armor because, in my opinion, that crap was fugly as hell) proved the same thing. So did DA2's Grey Warden armors and some other things. Plenty of attractive practicality to around then. Not so much in DAI. Most of the practical + attractive armor in this game isn't even possible to acquire.

Armor in the DA series has been mostly a train wreck of ugly and non-functional. They desperately wanted to not just have a generic looking suit of armor and wound up with these bizarre mishmashes of things that are jarring. There are decent sets here and there and some things that, like the duster and hat and some of the DLC armor in DA2, that looks good but isn't very usable. Frankly most of the equipment (armor and weapons) don't look all that functional overall.

Souls does actually look like armor, even the Witcher hits it more properly for armor and weapons. Even Mass Effect has armor-y looking armor. The attempt to stylize in the DA series created some oddly jarring get ups. Of course none of that is really the sort of casual gear we are talking about in he Skyhold outfits.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

Armor in the DA series has been mostly a train wreck of ugly and non-functional. They desperately wanted to not just have a generic looking suit of armor and wound up with these bizarre mishmashes of things that are jarring. There are decent sets here and there and some things that, like the duster and hat and some of the DLC armor in DA2, that looks good but isn't very usable. Frankly most of the equipment (armor and weapons) don't look all that functional overall.

Souls does actually look like armor, even the Witcher hits it more properly for armor and weapons. Even Mass Effect has armor-y looking armor. The attempt to stylize in the DA series created some oddly jarring get ups. Of course none of that is really the sort of casual gear we are talking about in he Skyhold outfits.

 

Speaking of ugly, weird mishmashes (you're 100% correct, by the way), will Bioware ever gain the ability to make a hat that isn't embarrassingly fugly? In all the games, you see people (mages especially) unabashedly wearing these strange, hideous, is-this-seriously-supposed-to-be-a-hat "hats" like it ain't no thang, and I just... can't comprehend what goes through the devs' heads when it comes to most DA clothing and armor, but especially the hats.

[Dubya75]

Not sure if this has been posted already, but this is a great article that really nails why the very limited clothing customization options in Dragon Age Inquisition is a big deal to players:

 

http://www.themarysu...xelthreads-dai/

 

Yeah, people were voicing their displeasure at the Skyhold pyjamas since BEFORE the game was even released, based on demo footage.

One of the devs even let slip in one of their twitch streams that it is a bug they are aware of. Something that is very easily fixed.

But Bioware flat-out refuses to fix this, telling us that it is intended.

Mods have been created trying to improve the situation, but still Bioware refuses to fix this ridiculous design choice. As if they are simply too proud and arrogant to admit that this is one of the crappiest design choices in the game.

 

And so, this will very likely remain unchanged.

[Zikade]

The Souls games are an excellent example that you can have armor and clothing realistic to a time period (even if it takes place in another universe) that is aesthetically pleasing and practical at the same time. Not all of it's realistic and nice, but most of it is.

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Glad to see someone mentions the Souls series. I love the armor in those games. 

 

Oh yes.

 

For a company that basically sells itself as an RPG creator, it seemed really odd to leave out so many elements of, well, roleplaying. I know for some players, clothing doesn't matter, and it's all about the stats. That's cool, and it's a reflection of one way to the game. But another way to play the game is to attach your own interpretation of significance to how companions dress. 

 

When the author mentioned dressing Alistair in Cailan's armor, I couldn't have agreed more. I do the same thing, and usually extend the practice to other characters. Morrigan stays in her usual robes, or I throw in her the Sacred Ashes trailer robes (mod) she was featured in for variety. Leliana gets the (modded) armor she was featured in the promotional images for "Leliana's Song" because I always feel that the signature 'stylish' (apparently she thinks so  ) apparel is more fitting than the rather bland, run of the mill, leather armors we see in Dragon Age: Origins. 

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Sounds familiar. I'm one of these players too who cares more about the style/aesthetics and roleplaying than stats. I once slapped Senior Enchanter robes on Morrigan and a minute later was like "Nope." Only Alistair has donned Cailan's armor even when I had "better" options available. He actually used it the whole end game which was pretty damn fitting since I made him the King.

 

When it comes to DA:I, I was sort of "lucky" with my first character (human, male, mage). Most of the outfits looked just fine on him although I did end up (once again) sacrificing stats on his armor when I disliked the colors of some of those high-quality materials. That tinting table certainly was a welcome addition! Nothing wrong about the Winter palace outfit and I even didn't mind that much about the Skyhold PJs (I know... what??). Mostly because on this character they didn't look completely off. He's RPed as someone who was a reluctant leader, dislikes politics and quite honestly sucks at being a noble. The uncomfortable look of the Skyhold PJs kind of fit him since he often looked to me like "... I don't know what the heck I'm doing." XD

 

HOWEVER, after creating two new characters, the lack of variation became rather glaring. On one of my characters, I pretty much can't stand staying in Skyhold because the PJs look like something he would NEVER wear. He would keep his Templar armor on. Period. On my dalish lady elf, the PJs look off too. Aaaand nowadays I hate the PJs with a passion. On my Qunari, I'm pretty disappointed that there are no Qunari type armor/clothing for her and on my rogue DW elf (Rped as your typical "proud dalish") I wasn't very fond of all these coats and as soon as she was able, she went and grabbed the dalish outfit and stayed with it ever since. On my other elf, the coats suit him just fine.

 

So yes, I do think that article was a good read and that variation in clothing/armor (or pretty much on ANY customization option) is always welcome and an important part of roleplaying to me. I personally can't understand why BioWare  cannot fix the freaking PJs. Many of the cut-scenes take place on Skyhold and we are stuck with an outfit we don't like to look at and which might not fit the character we are playing. At all.

[BansheeOwnage]

Speaking of ugly, weird mishmashes (you're 100% correct, by the way), will Bioware ever gain the ability to make a hat that isn't embarrassingly fugly? In all the games, you see people (mages especially) unabashedly wearing these strange, hideous, is-this-seriously-supposed-to-be-a-hat "hats" like it ain't no thang, and I just... can't comprehend what goes through the devs' heads when it comes to most DA clothing and armor, but especially the hats.

I like the Hat of The Inquisitor!

And Cole's hat is cool on him. But yeah, other than those, I agree the hats are bad!

 

Edit: Vivienne's too.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

I like the Hat of The Inquisitor!

And Cole's hat is cool on him. But yeah, other than those, I agree the hats are bad!

 

Edit: Vivienne's too.

 

The few exceptions! (I like the bonnet and the flower crown, additionally.) But, don't all the non-companion hats have those godawful skull caps? (The hell was Bioware thinking? Actually, I could ask that about a lot of features in this game, so...) Can they finally be modded out, or?

 

By the way, lovely Inquisitor!

[Eternal Dust]

I like the Hat of The Inquisitor!

And Cole's hat is cool on him. But yeah, other than those, I agree the hats are bad!

 

Edit: Vivienne's too.

 

Omg how did you get hair under that hat? I thought all the hats gave you this weird stitched leather look along the hairline. 

[BansheeOwnage]

The few exceptions! (I like the bonnet and the flower crown, additionally.) But, don't all the non-companion hats have those godawful skull caps? (The hell was Bioware thinking? Actually, I could ask that about a lot of features in this game, so...) Can they finally be modded out, or?

 

By the way, lovely Inquisitor!

Yeah, the flower crown is cool, if you consider it a hat. Thank you! Glad you like her

 

Omg how did you get hair under that hat? I thought all the hats gave you this weird stitched leather look along the hairline. 

Now to answer you and Aedan, I'll copy one of my posts from another thread:

 

Spoiler

Just summon a mount, then mount it with any companion who has headgear. Wait until everyone disappears, then dismount. Then, after a couple of seconds, your Inquisitor's (and I think everyone else's) hair will appear through the headgear! I find it works the best on the hat above, or the Orlesian Mage Hat. There will be clipping depending on the hairstyle, but with mine, it's only at the back of the hat, and since the hat is dark like her hair, and she has a bow and quiver on her back, it's hard to notice.

 

Random note: Unfortunately, using Longshot will make the hair disappear. I don't know about warriors and mages, but all Dual Dagger abilities work fine, so have fun! Also, you will have to do it again when traveling to new areas. I hope this helps people

 

Ta-da!

[KaiserShep]

Wot. Quite the workaround, but very good to know. I think the hat of the Inquisitor is perfect for archers, but I refused to use it on mine because I detest the skull cap. Danke!

[AppalachianApex]

Wot. Quite the workaround, but very good to know. I think the hat of the Inquisitor is perfect for archers, but I refused to use it on mine because I detest the skull cap. Danke!

 

Seriously. What is with those godawful hat flaps.

I mean, I understand the need to have material under that hat because of clipping issues.

 

But why, oh my goodness why, did that material have to be lumpy play-dough stitched together with Frankenstein stitches? 

[BansheeOwnage]

Seriously. What is with those godawful hat flaps.

I mean, I understand the need to have material under that hat because of clipping issues.

 

But why, oh my goodness why, did that material have to be lumpy play-dough stitched together with Frankenstein stitches? 

I agree, but I think if they wanted to put the time into making hats, they should have put in the time to keep the hair and avoid clipping. I don't know how hard that would be programming-wise, but doable. Have it so the hair that sticks through the back of the hat becomes invisible or some other illusion. If they got creative, I'm sure they could work it out.

 

As it stands I don't like most of the hats and helmets, so if this workaround didn't exist, I'd always have them off, and that should be a bit of a red flag to the people who made all the headgear. Either way though, it was misleading to advertise that hat without the flaps before launch. Apparently you can't even take hats for granted in promotional material. Even bald Inquisitors/Solas/Vivienne get them in the actual game. I envy the Hunter in MP who doesn't have one.