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#26
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You haven't won, you've merely delayed the inevitable.


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Is it safe to assume that the Gaben/Valve fanboys are going to go crawling back just like the Xbox crowd did?

 

You're bringing up a platform war for what reason?



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I don't get the constant slamming of the modders. They made those mods because they are fans of the games and one day Bethesda e-mails them about their mod and that they want to work with them. Imagine that, the company who is responsible for making their favorite game e-mails them. Regardless of what they have done, refusing that kind of cooperation requires unrealistic amounts of awareness and constraint.

Anyway, I didn't like the whole pay-for-mods thing, but the more disgusting thing to me is the amount of flak these modders got. They put out some seriously good work in the past and this is how you treat them?


Well, that was just symptomatic of the greater systemic problem with Valve's implementation of this concept; they had no ground rules and no standard process of arbitration, instead leaving the policing entirely to the community. This laissez-faire approach was always going to open up a Pandora's Box of abuses, thefts, and bitter disputes over authorship, permission and revenue, not to mention witch-hunts and all-out war over what the modding community should stand for. It was going end in tears, so to pull the plug so quickly was probably for the best.

Paid mods is not a new idea, nor is it necessarily a bad one. But for it to work, it requires a unified, concerted effort by the entire community. Valve instead chose to divide it, and this was just the beginning of the result. Again, it's probably for the best that they pulled the plug before it gets any worse, because it was heading that way.
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Honestly I hope people you stated to boycott Valve/Steam because of this continue to do so.  Valve really needs a wake up call to get better quality control on Steam as for a long time they have just been resting on there reputation despite the fact that the quality of Steam and there handling of consumer support has been pure ****.


They were at least willing to reconsider a decision when their fans railed against it.

And they did make Steam, which is an incredibly reliable platform.

Cut them some slack.

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▲ holy crap they still make music?

 

 

Is it safe to assume that the Gaben/Valve fanboys are going to go crawling back just like the Xbox crowd did?

When did the xbox fanboys come crawling back? I'm ready to set fire to mine. Playing pc games on my laptop with HDMI cable to TV screen and xpadder is far superior.



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You haven't won, you've merely delayed the inevitable.

 

This. They'll do it in the next Fallout and TES games from the beginning, before mods get entangled in a web of shared content and dependencies.

 

After this whole fiasco I am looking at the competition now. Made a GOG account yesterday and it'll be my first choice for games that Steam also has.


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You haven't won, you've merely delayed the inevitable.

Probably.

 

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"Damn those entitled gamers for ruining another good thing after ME3's ending and the original Xbox One plans" - The usual suspects, in the coming 24 hours


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You haven't won, you've merely delayed the inevitable.

 

Todd Howard: You have failed, we will find another way. Releasing control!

 

*Gabe is left in the Valve server room as the building explodes*

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You haven't won, you've merely delayed the inevitable.

I honestly feel if it was inevitable it would have happened years ago. Really, all it is, is a bad idea.


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This. They'll do it in the next Fallout and TES games from the beginning, before mods get entangled in a web of shared content and dependencies.

 

After this whole fiasco I am looking at the competition now. Made a GOG account yesterday and it'll be my first choice for games that Steam also has.

 

If they try it in Fallout 4, I can see another backlash that's just as big. The only thing we wont have is mods getting pulled off steam because they're using assets from other mods, simply because those other mods wont have been made yet.

 

Although buying on GOG whenever possible is always good.



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I honestly feel if it was inevitable it would have happened years ago. Really, all it is, is a bad idea.

That has never stopped anybody before.



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I honestly feel if it was inevitable it would have happened years ago. Really, all it is, is a bad idea.


It has happened, just not to Skyrim, and not in this manner.

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http://www.escapistm...-Steam-Workshop

 

Article strongly hints that they will do this again in the future.



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Well, that was just symptomatic of the greater systemic problem with Valve's implementation of this concept; they had no ground rules and no standard process of arbitration, instead leaving the policing entirely to the community. This laissez-faire approach was always going to open up a Pandora's Box of abuses, thefts, and bitter disputes over authorship, permission and revenue, not to mention witch-hunts and all-out war over what the modding community should stand for. It was going end in tears, so to pull the plug so quickly was probably for the best.

Paid mods is not a new idea, nor is it necessarily a bad one. But for it to work, it requires a unified, concerted effort by the entire community. Valve instead chose to divide it, and this was just the beginning of the result. Again, it's probably for the best that they pulled the plug before it gets any worse, because it was heading that way.


Note that if Valve and Bethesda have to sort this crap out themselves, the economics get a lot worse. I doubt we'll ever see a version of this plan with real oversight from the publishers.

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http://www.escapistm...-Steam-Workshop

 

Article strongly hints that they will do this again in the future.

 

CDPR is going to so capitalize on this if they try it again. 



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Having this from the get-go in TES6 or Fallout 4 wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, seeing as the Skyrim modding community and the modding community for those will basically be one and the same and likely going to have the exact same reaction the second time.

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We've done this because it's clear we didn't understand exactly what we were doing.

 

Funny. I think you knew exactly what you were doing. I mean, nobody can be that dumb, right?



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Now I want to re-watch the OT!!! :wizard:



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Note that if Valve and Bethesda have to sort this crap out themselves, the economics get a lot worse. I doubt we'll ever see a version of this plan with real oversight from the publishers.


And I am not suggesting that Valve and Bethesda take a hands-on approach. As I understand it, that was also attempted before, with a similarly failed outcome. What I am suggesting is some basic rules, parhaps even a universal "Modder's Constitution," and a proper process of abuse management and arbitration. This can be an agreement with the community, who then enforce these systems themselves.

As I said, paid mods is not necessarily a bad idea, it just requires a unified and concerted effort by the entire community for it to work. That Valve neglected to bring the community on board was a fatal error that doomed this experiment to failure.

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CDPR is going to so capitalize on this if they try it again. 

Ugh... why does everyone have such a hard on for CDPR? They're a business and you're their paycheck. The only difference is that they use goodwill to lure you.


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Ugh... why does everyone have such a hard on for CDPR? They're a business and you're their paycheck. The only difference is that they use goodwill to lure you.

IKR, why do people like companies that earn money by making people happy so much more than companies that make money by making people sad?


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IKR, why do people like companies that earn money by making people happy like Netflix so much more than companies that make money by making them sad like Comcast?

There's liking them. Then there's viewing them as infallible. That's how we get Steam. In the end all companies care about is their profit margin since they can't operate without money. People claimed Steam/Valve was the messiah of gaming... and look at it now.


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You're bringing up a platform war for what reason?

 

For this:

When did the xbox fanboys come crawling back? I'm ready to set fire to mine. Playing pc games on my laptop with HDMI cable to TV screen and xpadder is far superior.