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[Dio Demon]

More like he saw the immediate siege that was about to befall him and burned everything per-emptively. I personally don't blame him, internet drama has become a dangerous game with how so many are willing to Dox and SWAT people they don't like. Probably didn't want people hacking into his stuff out of a sense of vigilante justice or whatever, now that he knows he's alone against the horde.

I keep forgetting about the raging internet I don't blame the guy for going the money route. Don't like it, but I don't blame him.

[Obadiah]

1) Steam taking majority share of the profits just because it's hosted on the Steam Workshop.
 
2)  Massive amount of legal issues using other people's mods as a basis for the paid mods.
 
3) Potential copyright issues.
 
4) Putting what was a free product behind a paywall.
 
5) Paying for bugfixes and Bethesda gets paid for other people fixing their own games.
 
Take your pick.

It was the modder's choice to do that, not Steam or Valve or Bethesda - they just enabled it. This would have allowed good modders the chance to work more on their mods, and would have allowed Bethesda to better support the modding community, because they'd both have the money to do that. The free modding community would still be there for modders that want to support that as well.

[Dio Demon]

It was the modder's choice to do that, not Steam or Valve or Bethesda - they just enabled it. This would have allowed good modders the chance to work more on their mods, and would have allowed Bethesda to better support the modding community, because they'd have the money to do that. The free modding community would still be there for modders that want to support that as well.

And... you didn't address any of my points.

[Obadiah]

And... you didn't address any of my points.

I didn't see any that required a response. You basically listed some problems in an overblown manner. Ok, that's part of the system. So what? That's all there when the mods were free. Now some modders that produce content want to have their work rewarded.

[slimgrin]

It was the modder's choice to do that, not Steam or Valve or Bethesda - they just enabled it. This would have allowed good modders the chance to work more on their mods, and would have allowed Bethesda to better support the modding community, because they'd both have the money to do that. The free modding community would still be there for modders that want to support that as well.

Whatever you're smoking, I want some of it.

[Dio Demon]

I didn't see any that required a response. You basically listed some problems in an overblown manner. Ok, that's part of the system. So what? That's all there when the mods were free. Now some modders that produce content want to have their work rewarded.

O.O overblown? How? Because it disagrees with your opinion therefore it's a non issue raised by butthurt fanboys?

 

DEAR GOD IT'S THE DA:I FORUMS ALL OVER AGAIN!

 

 

Whatever you're smoking, I want some of it.

 

^ this x2

[AlanC9]

O.O overblown? How? Because it disagrees with your opinion therefore it's a non issue raised by butthurt fanboys?
 
DEAR GOD IT'S THE DA:I FORUMS ALL OVER AGAIN!
 

Naturally. Why would this thread be different from any other thread?

[Dio Demon]

Naturally. Why would this thread be different from any other thread?

Off topic.

 

I THOUGHT OFF TOPIC WAS THE SAFE HAVEN OF THESE FORUMS! I WANT OFF THIS RIDE!

[Cainhurst Crow]

I didn't see any that required a response. You basically listed some problems in an overblown manner. Ok, that's part of the system. So what? That's all there when the mods were free. Now some modders that produce content want to have their work rewarded.

 

So Unfair labor conditions, intellectual property theft, Major entertainment corporations suing for their assets being "illegally" used, and the privatization of basic game utility services which companies are required to provide aren't big issues?

 

What magical ****-free world do you live in, sir? And where is the magical portal for which you crossed to enter our shitty bureaucratic legal hellmaze?

[AlanC9]

I didn't see any that required a response. You basically listed some problems in an overblown manner. Ok, that's part of the system. So what? That's all there when the mods were free. Now some modders that produce content want to have their work rewarded.

Well, yeah... but if you're going to quote a post, I think you ought to do at least a pro forma reply. Particularly since D-D served up a couple of softballs there-- you might as well swing.

[AlanC9]

So Unfair labor conditions, intellectual property theft, Major entertainment corporations suing for their assets being "illegally" used, and the privatization of basic game utility services which companies are required to provide aren't big issues?

What magical ****-free world do you live in, sir? And where is the magical portal for which you crossed to enter our shitty bureaucratic legal hellmaze?

Hmm... so the answer to unfair labor conditions is to pay people nothing at all? I don't see how that helps them. And anyone who wanted to stay with the unpaid regime always had that ability anyway.

The IP stuff is no big deal -- standard DMCA takedowns, so it's YouTube but with mods. Unless the problem here is that Valve wanted to make life harder for the major entertainment corporations?

I'd respond to the bit about utility services if I had any idea what "basic game utility services" is supposed to mean.

[Obadiah]

So Unfair labor conditions,
...

How is modders getting paid for content more unfair than that content being free?

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intellectual property theft, Major entertainment corporations suing for their assets being "illegally" used, and the privatization of basic game utility services which companies are required to provide aren't big issues?
 
What magical ****-free world do you live in, sir? And where is the magical portal for which you crossed to enter our shitty bureaucratic legal hellmaze?

It sounds like if, as a modder, you decide to do any of that stuff (create a mod based on someone else's IP) you ought not to charge for it. Why does that make a system that allows modders to optionally charge for their creations a bad thing?

Or is this an argument that Bethesda and Valve ought not to make any money off of modders who make money? Because I don't understand that rationale against the system either.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Hmm... so the answer to unfair labor conditions is to pay people nothing at all? I don't see how that helps them. And anyone who wanted to stay with the unpaid regime always had that ability anyway.

The IP stuff is no big deal -- standard DMCA takedowns, so it's YouTube but with mods. Unless the problem here is that Valve wanted to make life harder for the major entertainment corporations?

I'd respond to the bit about utility services if I had any idea what "basic game utility services" is supposed to mean.

 

"basic game utility services" means running updates that fix game glitches or bugs that could damage the games save data or keep the game from running properly. Its keeping a game functional, and turning that service into a "pay for a modder to do it" service is immoral.

[Dermain]

Off topic.

 

I THOUGHT OFF TOPIC WAS THE SAFE HAVEN OF THESE FORUMS! I WANT OFF THIS RIDE!

 

Guess we just lost another member. 

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

The funny thing was that the modders wouldn't even be paid for this really. They'd be paid through the Steam Wallet, meaning that Valve scoops up the profits regardless since you can only spend your Steam Wallet on Steam, no cash out. At least, that was my understanding.

It was a money grab, and with Bethesda/Valve being industry leaders, it would've resulted in a very unpleasant situation. It may still happen. Fallout 4 and Total War: Warhammer are big focal points for me for games since they are prime targets for this. Community-made microtransactions, pay to patch. Ugh.

The stuff about the free modding community still having a role would be true, but paid modders would always have an advantage. While free modders would share information, paid modders wouldn't. Let alone intervention by developers.

[Bison]

The funny thing was that the modders wouldn't even be paid for this really. They'd be paid through the Steam Wallet, meaning that Valve scoops up the profits regardless since you can only spend your Steam Wallet on Steam, no cash out. At least, that was my understanding.

It was a money grab, and with Bethesda/Valve being industry leaders, it would've resulted in a very unpleasant situation. It may still happen. Fallout 4 and Total War: Warhammer are big focal points for me for games since they are prime targets for this.

Essentially

 

C*nts

[spinachdiaper]

No body won anything. Not till Half Life 3.

[AventuroLegendary]

I'm glad for this news. I have to admit, some of the outrage against it, particularly the personal slandering against paid mod makers, was downright childish.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

It's a bittersweet victory because now a lot of talented Skyrim modders are considering leaving. Just losing Chesko alone would really suck. As much as I hate the idea of paid mods, I hate the idea of people dehumanizing modders and denouncing them as greedy whores even more.

 

Bethesda and Valve really should have talked to the community about their plans to implement paid modding. Just throwing it out of left field definitely did more harm than good. I think if paid modding were to become a thing, I would want it to only happen for big dlc type of mods, stuff like Falskaar and Enderal that people spend hundred of hours working on.

[zeypher]

All I mean is that we need to stop putting companies on pedestals. It's bloody hard to get them off once they're high enough. We need to keep them grounded and disciplined like a pet. Reward good behaviour and punish the bad.

This!!, is the mentality consumers should have any thing else leads to disappointment.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Yes this was a victory for the mighty Master Race. 

Still, I do not think we should just forgive Valve and Bethesda. We should not just cut them slack. We should remain vigilant. Valve and Bethesda said they won't be trying this for Skyrim but who's to say they won't try it on a new Fallout game or a new Elder Scrolls game ? 

Plus Steam has lots of problems. Poor customer support, poor refund policies, Greenlight, Early Access, etc...

The main reason Valve and Bethesda decided to try this stunt was because they, especially Valve, hold such a large monopoly on PC gaming. PC gamers should and must diversify to other distributors. We need to have more competition and keep Valve on their toes, so to speak. 

The same goes for Bethesda as well. Their base game, their unmodded games has been getting progressively worse. Bad UI, bugs, glitches, etc. 

 

Additionally, the official statement on this sounds like they might try this again. They might try this on Elder Scrolls 6 or Fallout 4.

 

I am not against modders being paid for their work but it should be a donation system or a crowd funding system, not a system that forces people to pay for them. There should be an option to pay.

 

Like Grey Wardens who are vigilant of Darkspawn...Like Witchers who are vigilant of monsters...We the Master Race should be vigilant of potential future shenanigans...

 

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[TurianRebel212]

As always the PC Overlords conquer all. We are infinite...... "PC Master Race", a name given to us by lesser beings.... In the end. We simply are.

[mickey111]

I'm glad for this news. I have to admit, some of the outrage against it, particularly the personal slandering against paid mod makers, was downright childish.

 

 

Childish? Maybe. But at least we weren't gullible suckers for once. I'll take childish over gullible any ****** day of the week. We pay to be alpha and beta testers, we crowd fund things that might never come to be. We pay to unlock **** already in a disc which we already paid $60 for. We pre-order stuff when we've no idea if it's going to be any good and more and more we're let down finding it's barely even functional. Gamers are the most gullible and exploited consumer group in all of mankinds history, but here is the thing: even the dumbest of the dumb have their limits, and there are only so many times you can kick someone in the gut before they get riled up. We need to be more childish from now on, and less gullible.

[Dio Demon]

Childish? Maybe. But at least we weren't gullible suckers for once. I'll take childish over gullible any ****** day of the week. We pay to be alpha and beta testers, we crowd fund things that might never come to be. We pay to unlock **** already in a disc which we already paid $60 for. We pre-order stuff when we've no idea if it's going to be any good and more and more we're let down finding it's barely even functional. Gamers are the most gullible and exploited consumer group in all of mankinds history, but here is the thing: even the dumbest of the dumb have their limits, and there are only so many times you can kick someone in the gut before they get riled up. We need to be more childish from now on, and less gullible.

...

 

You're the reason why people want the internet purged. Sending death threats is never okay.

[mickey111]

how do you know I sent death threats?

 

I keep hearing about these threats, but in all the hours I spent at the steam community Ididn't see a single one.