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[Livi14]

Did I miss any new information? Last thing I heard was "in terms of other playable races… we can’t talk about that at this point"

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Did I miss any new information? Last thing I heard was "in terms of other playable races… we can’t talk about that at this point"

Bioware at a convention showed images of the protagonist armor, and only had human male and human female bodies. People are taking that as confirmation that the next game will be human protagonists only. 

[Malanek]

Did I miss any new information? Last thing I heard was "in terms of other playable races… we can’t talk about that at this point"

Not really. We have seen images of a human male and female that was alluded to be your character. And we have been told the story is somehow related to the N7 program. But they haven't definitively ruled out non-human playable characters as far as I am aware. Lots of speculation .

[Degrees1991]

Just save it for multiplayer it just seems like a skin change doesn't impact story at all. At first I was yes I want to be Krogan but what would change a few words of dialogue not enough for me. For example if this leak is true that Krogan colonial ship mission I want it to really hit the lead if I pick a Krogan but not so much if I picked another race.

Different races should have unique stories and multiple dialogue change. But that will take up too much time and money I understand this. So just leave it to mp.

[TheJester000]

That's demonstrably false. The entirely story of Mass Effect would have needed reworking from the ground up to accommodate alien races. Being a human was a central element of Shepard's story and a human being the only "witness" against Saren and the Reapers is what causes such mistrust and disbelief from the Council.

 

Any race could have been substituted for human and the story would have been the same. Had Shepard been a Quarian it would have changed nothing. Nihilus still could have recruited him into the Spectres, he would have ended up on the mission to Ilos and found the beacon. The council still wouldn't have believed him and now its the Quarians trying to unite all the species of the galaxy instead of the humans. I agree there would be some slight tweaking to the story had it been one of the council races but the journey is virtually the same.

[TheJester000]

None of those things change or even enhance the story. They enhance the player's experience but have no bearing on the story. Playing as FemShep makes zero difference to the story. Playing as a Vanguard makes zero difference to the story. Playing as a Dwarf in Inquisition makes zero difference to the story.

 

None of these things impede or take away from the story either.

[Steppenwolf]

Any race could have been substituted for human and the story would have been the same. Had Shepard been a Quarian it would have changed nothing. Nihilus still could have recruited him into the Spectres, he would have ended up on the mission to Ilos and found the beacon. The council still wouldn't have believed him and now its the Quarians trying to unite all the species of the galaxy instead of the humans. I agree there would be some slight tweaking to the story had it been one of the council races but the journey is virtually the same.

Again, demonstrably false. The story of the ME trilogy would have to be fundamentally changed to accommodate alien races for the PC.
Quarians aren't part of Council space, they're nomads who have no military ties to the Council, let alone in such a way as to develop the Normandy and go on missions with a Spectre. It would have to be a lone, "renegade" Quarian and that fundamentally changes who the PC is and how the story must unfold to accommodate such a PC.
Name a non-human race and I can show you why it would have changed the story. You're demonstrably wrong.

None of these things impede or take away from the story either.

That's impossible to prove.

[Kabooooom]

Again, demonstrably false. The story of the ME trilogy would have to be fundamentally changed to accommodate alien races for the PC.
Quarians aren't part of Council space, they're nomads who have no military ties to the Council, let alone in such a way as to develop the Normandy and go on missions with a Spectre. It would have to be a lone, "renegade" Quarian and that fundamentally changes who the PC is and how the story must unfold to accommodate such a PC.
Name a non-human race and I can show you why it would have changed the story. You're demonstrably wrong.


That's impossible to prove.

I agree with you. The entire story and premise would have to change.

Side note, while the Quarians obviously couldn't have designed the Normandy in the first place for obvious reasons, they reverse engineered the Normandy's tech just fine. Almost as I they knew intimate details about it...curious...

[TheJester000]

The Turians developed the Normandy and could have easily done it with the Quarians considering they have some of the best engineers in the galaxy. Before ME1 humans barely had any relations with the council so not sure what you are getting at there. Shepard himself was a renegade and you are really nitpicking to try and make your point. Sorry but you are wrong.

[Steppenwolf]

The Turians developed the Normandy and could have easily done it with the Quarians considering they have some of the best engineers in the galaxy.

The Normandy project was a joint human/Turian initiative that was designed, in part, to improve human/Turian relations. The Turians didn't develop the Normandy and they certainly had no reason to develop it with the Quarians.

Before ME1 humans barely had any relations with the council so not sure what you are getting at there.

Humans were making in-roads with the Council through initiatives like the Normandy project and politics. Udina was chomping at the bit for more opportunities to put humanity front in center for the Council. The Quarians were doing no such thing and were not interested in making in-roads.

Shepard himself was a renegade and you are really nitpicking to try and make your point.

Shepard was not a renegade. He was a member of the Alliance for God's sake. You're ignoring reality to try to make your "point."

Sorry but you are wrong.

That's laughable. I actually chuckled when I read this. Dude, get it together.

[Degrees1991]

Are people forgetting the Geth problem Quarians were looked down on no way they be touching tech like this. So Shepard couldn't have been any race especially not Quarian or Krogan too much history must be human not enough history at the time.

[TheJester000]

Dude, I can change four lines of dialogue in the game and make that story completely work. I get it, most have this "I only play as human so everyone should play as human" mentality that makes them hardheaded and unable to see a point that contradicts theirs. But the bottom line is no one has yet to come up with a compelling argument on why there shouldn't be more races available other than they just don't want them. In your own words you have said that being a different race doesn't change the story and is just window dressing. I just don't see how, ME, playing as a reskinded protaganist with a few different lines of dialogue somehow ruins or takes away from YOUR game. If it enhances someones else's experience and doesn't effect yours, why does it matter so strongly to you? And if BW does do it in a poor or cheap manner like they have in the past or with DAI, it still doesn't effect you because you are only going to play as a human anyways.

[Degrees1991]

Look I pick being a Krogan over a human any day of the week. But that's the thing I want to be Krogan not a reskinned human.

Oh and Shepard's story is more than few dialogue changes you know that.

[Steppenwolf]

Dude, I can change four lines of dialogue in the game and make that story completely work. I get it, most have this "I only play as human so everyone should play as human" mentality that makes them hardheaded and unable to see a point that contradicts theirs. But the bottom line is no one has yet to come up with a compelling argument on why there shouldn't be more races available other than they just don't want them. In your own words you have said that being a different race doesn't change the story and is just window dressing. I just don't see how, ME, playing as a reskinded protaganist with a few different lines of dialogue somehow ruins or takes away from YOUR game. If it enhances someones else's experience and doesn't effect yours, why does it matter so strongly to you? And if BW does do it in a poor or cheap manner like they have in the past or with DAI, it still doesn't effect you because you are only going to play as a human anyways.

You're making baseless assumptions and arguing against things no one said. You cannot make a Quarian Shepard work with 4 lines of dialogue so drop that lie right now. I almost never play humans if given the choice so drop that lie. No one said they don't want the option in the future because they don't want to play as other races or don't want you to play other races. The races in Mass Effect are so different that a few lines of dialogue cannot explain the differences required to make each race feel true to the lore.

[TheJester000]

I was refering to the post above yours Degrees.

[Degrees1991]

I was refering to the post above yours Degrees.

Yeah sorry had a feeling.

[Malanek]

I agree with you. The entire story and premise would have to change.

Side note, while the Quarians obviously couldn't have designed the Normandy in the first place for obvious reasons, they reverse engineered the Normandy's tech just fine. Almost as I they knew intimate details about it...curious...

The entire story and premise? The basic premise is that the Reapers wipe out every civilization once it reaches a certain point and need to be stopped. ME1-3 was told through the eyes of humanity but it wasn't the premise of the story. Yes, it would have been told differently, significantly differently in fact, but the same story could be told, even the part about humanity struggling to gain a foothold in a galactic civilisation.

[TheJester000]

The entire story and premise? The basic premise is that the Reapers wipe out every civilization once it reaches a certain point and need to be stopped. ME1-3 was told through the eyes of humanity but it wasn't the premise of the story. Yes, it would have been told differently, significantly differently in fact, but the same story could be told, even the part about humanity struggling to gain a foothold in a galactic civilisation.

 

Exactly, Shepard's race is irrelevant for the major plot points of the game. Being an alien would have worked just like Origins, it could have changed the PC's point of view and motivations, but the story and journey to ending the reapers stays the same.

[Steppenwolf]

Exactly, Shepard's race is irrelevant for the major plot points of the game. Being an alien would have worked just like Origins, it could have changed the PC's point of view and motivations, but the story and journey to ending the reapers stays the same.

I already proved you wrong. The entire story of ME1 would have to have been reworked and made more generic to accommodate multiple races and then the series would been different from that point on. You cannot have a Quarian, Turian, Asari, Salarian, Krogan, Batarian etc simply slide into the Shepard role. It doesn't work.

[TheJester000]

You proved nothing except for your opinion, and we disagree and our opinion is that it does work. Why don't we just leave it at that.

[Torgette]

I already proved you wrong. The entire story of ME1 would have to have been reworked and made more generic to accommodate multiple races and then the series would been different from that point on. You cannot have a Quarian, Turian, Asari, Salarian, Krogan, Batarian etc simply slide into the Shepard role. It doesn't work.

 

I think a Turian would've worked as the Normandy was a joint Turian-Human project, even the Spectre stuff would've worked across any race - the big changes would simply be the themes of Shepard being the first human spectre and those are almost all dialogue-based that could be changed with scripting.

 

Mass Effect 2 would be the big issue as you're working for Cerberus.

[Malanek]

I already proved you wrong. The entire story of ME1 would have to have been reworked and made more generic to accommodate multiple races and then the series would been different from that point on. You cannot have a Quarian, Turian, Asari, Salarian, Krogan, Batarian etc simply slide into the Shepard role. It doesn't work.

You really are abusing the word 'proved'.

 

In ME1 you wouldn't have to change the reapers, the protheans, saren or his motivations, noveria, therum, feros, Ilos, virmire etc.

 

You would have to change Shepard (which is the whole point of the thread) and so various things, including much of the dialogue, would have been written differently. Yes, it is more work to do so while keeping the same amount of personality in the character. But the fundamental story in ME1 wouldn't have to change much at all.

 

Out of the trilogy, the only one that needs it's basic premise changed would be ME2. Human colonies going missing is the hook that gets you to work for Cerberus and that would need to be changed completely.

[Steppenwolf]

You proved nothing except for your opinion, and we disagree and our opinion is that it does work. Why don't we just leave it at that.

No, you made a statement, I proved it wrong. The story would have to be reworked to accommodate other races. It would take a hell of a lot more than "4 lines of dialog" to make a Quarian Shepard work.

I think a Turian would've worked as the Normandy was a joint Turian-Human project, even the Spectre stuff would've worked across any race - the big changes would simply be the themes of Shepard being the first human spectre and those are almost all dialogue-based that could be changed with scripting.
 
Mass Effect 2 would be the big issue as you're working for Cerberus.

A Turian never would have met with the same distrust and derision that Shepard did. How would things have gone after Eden Prime with a Turian? A Turian Spectre candidate hand-picked by one of the best Turian Spectres tells the Council, which is 1/3 Turian, that the newly cybernetic Turian douchebag killed his would-be Turian Spectre mentor. Where is there any room for bias or xenophobia? The story would have played out very differently and lacked the entire 'underdog fighting for his races' place in the galaxy' backstory. Anderson and Udina would have no place or role in this story, and there would be no reason for the Alliance to be involved to start with.

[Torgette]

A Turian never would have met with the same distrust and derision that Shepard did. How would things have gone after Eden Prime with a Turian? A Turian Spectre candidate hand-picked by one of the best Turian Spectres tells the Council, which is 1/3 Turian, that the newly cybernetic Turian douchebag killed his would-be Turian Spectre mentor. Where is there any room for bias or xenophobia? The story would have played out very differently and lacked the entire 'underdog fighting for his races' place in the galaxy' backstory. Anderson and Udina would have no place or role in this story, and there would be no reason for the Alliance to be involved to start with.

 

Not necessarily, it was in Saren's interest that whoever interfaced with the Beacon be distrusted, a Turian accusing a Turian would've brought about its own unique dialogue but the plot would've been the same. Xenophobia wouldn't really change - afterall as Shepard you can agree or disagree, as a Turian it would simply be scripted to give you more dialogue choices regarding the first contact war. ME1 is very open to those kinds of things whereas ME2 was firmly not.

[Steppenwolf]

Not necessarily, it was in Saren's interest that whoever interfaced with the Beacon be distrusted, a Turian accusing a Turian would've brought about its own unique dialogue but the plot would've been the same. Xenophobia wouldn't really change - afterall as Shepard you can agree or disagree, as a Turian it would simply be scripted to give you more dialogue choices regarding the first contact war. ME1 is very open to those kinds of things whereas ME2 was firmly not.

Saren wouldn't have the ammunition to make a Turian untrustworthy to the Council. It came down to being human and Anderson being Shepard's mentor.
The game would have had to have been fundamentally reworked to accommodate multiple races. It would have been more generic and the themes would have been different.