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[Terodil]

It would be interesting if they added something like that to RPGs, though. You think a romance character is ugly? Well, what if the one you DO like thinks you're not their type? Maybe the hot blonde with big breasts doesn't like overly masculine looking guys. She prefers 'em short and average. Facial hair? You're done. Won't ever happen, but it could be fun to see the reactions.

In theory that would be fantastic! I love the idea! In practice though... if I really wanted a romance with a particular NPC, I'd probably 'powergame' it (if that's the right word) and just try out / look up what that NPC likes, then create my character accordingly >.> Besides, it's hard enough to find your better half IRL, as the huge population of singles can testify, so I don't know if it'd be particularly well-received if RPG makers recreated the same one-in-a-million lottery in their games

Hm. Which makes me think... do the Sims do something like this? Do they have particular romance-related preferences?

[KBomb]

I want to know how that makes any kind of sense. If I'm meeting someone for the first time, I can guarantee you that I won't be asking to see down their pants to consider if they are sexy. We would probably start at things like hygiene, manners, physical appearance, and personality.

It would be interesting if they added something like that to RPGs, though. You think a romance character is ugly? Well, what if the one you DO like thinks you're not their type? Maybe the hot blonde with big breasts doesn't like overly masculine looking guys. She prefers 'em short and average. Facial hair? You're done. Won't ever happen, but it could be fun to see the reactions.

There is a lot in the Saint's Row series, especially the last two, that makes little sense. It isn't suppose to, though. It's just silly and full of delicious vulgarity. More importantly, it's fun and unapologetic. I recommend it.

The first two are more serious, but still full of some great quotes and situations and well, Johnny Gat.

[AresKeith]

There is a lot in the Saint's Row series, especially the last two, that makes little sense. It isn't suppose to, though. It's just silly and full of delicious vulgarity. More importantly, it's fun and unapologetic. I recommend it.

The first two are more serious, but still full of some great quotes and situations and well, Johnny Gat.

 

I miss SR2, it was perfect balance between wacky/senseless and serious 

[KBomb]

I miss SR2, it was perfect balance between wacky/senseless and serious

Oh, I agree 100%. It was my absolute favorite of the series. Man, that monster truck scene was the best. Revenge never tasted better.

[AresKeith]

Oh, I agree 100%. It was my absolute favorite of the series. Man, that monster truck scene was the best. Revenge never tasted better.

 

The sword duel missions 

[KBomb]

The sword duel missions

Well, thanks a lot, AresKeith. I have a test to study for, but I now have to go dig up my copy of SR2!

[Inprea]

Does Iron Bull count as wearing boob armor? That or maybe Viviane? At least mages should be able to show some skin if she's an indicator and she's even a knight enchanter which means a front line fighter.

[Uirebhiril]

In theory that would be fantastic! I love the idea! In practice though... if I really wanted a romance with a particular NPC, I'd probably 'powergame' it (if that's the right word) and just try out / look up what that NPC likes, then create my character accordingly >.> Besides, it's hard enough to find your better half IRL, as the huge population of singles can testify, so I don't know if it'd be particularly well-received if RPG makers recreated the same one-in-a-million lottery in their games
 

 

Which makes it interesting to consider how many people would change things about their character to suit the romance or the whims of the companion. We already get that a bit with making dialogue choices to gain approval. Just how far would some people take it before they refuse to give up that much of themselves for an ideal? Certainly is fascinating to think about.

 

Does Iron Bull count as wearing boob armor? That or maybe Viviane? At least mages should be able to show some skin if she's an indicator and she's even a knight enchanter which means a front line fighter.

 

The shirtless thing the qunari have going on is ridiculous to me, honestly. I get it's hot where they come from, but just... no. At the very least they could wear a heavy leather vest over a shirt if they aren't inclined to run around in full armor. The chainmail bikini/boobplate is stupid no matter what gender we're talking about, and while there might be an option for people who want something more form-fitting or teat showing I'd rather not go back to the days where I'm forced to dress my character in ONLY some version of a leather sports bra and a skirt. I'm appreciating that we are at a point where my character can show she has the mental capacity to put on something that will protect her vitals in combat.

[The Baconer]

Does Iron Bull count as wearing boob armor?

 

A male equivalent, sure.

 

Rather fitting since he tends to get flattened without micromanagement or meticulous build optimization.

[SardaukarElite]

 Pirate Mary read exposed her breast in battle for distraction. 

 

I haven't read that of her but it wouldn't surprise me. Given that Read fought in male disguise though I'd figure it would be more about shock or intimidation than turning her opponent into a dribbling idiot.

[Uirebhiril]

A male equivalent, sure.

 

Rather fitting since he tends to get flattened without micromanagement or meticulous build optimization.

 

For real. Cassandra you can just slap a cowhide on her, give her a toothpick, and she'll be the only one standing at the end of combat. Bull? First one to go down. Maybe instead of complimenting Cass on her practical armor he should be asking for the specs to have the smithy make him a set.

[Malthier]

I have clear evidence it's objective, thanks to the congregation of "likes" (or at least attention) on certain posts and not others.

 

Popularity =/= objective fact

 

 

Not to mention people might like (or dislike) based on things like whether they like (or dislike) the poster, they might be trying to artificially support a notion that is contrary to reality because it's just more favorable for them. They might also just be, well, you know, lying.

 

 

Edit: I mean compare Han's post with the one right above.. I gurantee with 3 billion percent certainty that Han will win in the "like" department as in actually like those, whereas the majority of the ones that actually like the above (if anyone) are likely doing so out of incredulity or joining in the mockery, not because they actually like that costume.

 

This is bad logic. possible bias doesn't negate the existence of opinions, and that's what subjectivity is: varied opinions. You're kidding yourself if you think people can't have different opinions about armor designs, or that the popular opinion is the objective one

 

Han's post is a good example, but not for the reason you use. It has ten likes as I'm typing. Some of those thumbs are because those people appreciate the look of the armor, but more than a hundred other peoples have viewed that page and not liked it, and some of those people didn't because they didn't really like it or they could take it or leave it

 

That variation of reaction is the subjective aspect of peoples personal taste in armor, which yeah, definitely exists

[KBomb]

 

The shirtless thing the qunari have going on is ridiculous to me, honestly. I get it's hot where they come from, but just... no. At the very least they could wear a heavy leather vest over a shirt if they aren't inclined to run around in full armor. The chainmail bikini/boobplate is stupid no matter what gender we're talking about, and while there might be an option for people who want something more form-fitting or teat showing I'd rather not go back to the days where I'm forced to dress my character in ONLY some version of a leather sports bra and a skirt. I'm appreciating that we are at a point where my character can show she has the mental capacity to put on something that will protect her vitals in combat.

Chainmail bikinis and the armor being discussed are not the same thing. I know people like the lump the two together because it makes a more damning statement, but they're really quite different. 

 

 

By leather sports bra and skirt, I am assuming you mean the dalish armor from Origins. It would provide about the same amount of protection as the Hunter armor from Inquisition and Sera's original armor and for that fact, most of the armor for Sera and Varric. 

 

As far as being forced, no one has been forced to wear dalish armor, or the scale armor above. You're not forced to wear the Hunter armor and you're not forced to put Sera or Varric in the armor I mentioned. Not one of the Dragon Age games has forced you to place your character in armor that may show a diminish in her mental capacity nor is anyone asking Bioware to do so.

[Han Shot First]

I agree that the chainmail bikini shouldn't be lumped in with the armor designs that fully cover a female character, but mimic a woman's form. The latter is entirely plausible and would be functional. The former isn't.

[TheOgre]

A male equivalent, sure.

 

Rather fitting since he tends to get flattened without micromanagement or meticulous build optimization.

 

Would never put IB in my party. Sorry he's funny and probably a good character but his specialization and DAI's lack of a proper AI puts him in the unreliable category for me.

[KBomb]

Forget boob plate armour.

Why not have magical invisible armour!!

That way, we can perv on our pixel characters' naked form.. and OP would finally be able to figure out that Cassandra is female.

How can anyone think otherwise about her? She is perfection.

Your idea isn't bad, but then if all the bewbs are the same size, it would be unrealistic and we're back to square one!

[Uirebhiril]

Chainmail bikinis and the armor being discussed are not the same thing. I know people like the lump the two together because it makes a more damning statement, but they're really quite different. 

 

As far as being forced, no one has been forced to wear dalish armor, or the scale armor above. You're not forced to wear the Hunter armor and you're not forced to put Sera or Varric in the armor I mentioned. Not one of the Dragon Age games has forced you to place your character in armor that may show a diminish in her mental capacity nor is anyone asking Bioware to do so.

 

I agree they aren't the same thing, but I still think boob plate is stupid. Do I really need visual representation to remember that my character is a girl? I'm all for there being an option available if people really want it, but when I say I don't want to be forced into such armor I mean that for years that's about all we could expect if someone wanted a female character. Scraps of cloth, lots of skin, and by the way here's her boobies.

 

I referenced the leather sports bra for this being the DA forums, but it's hardly the only game in which you're running around in underwear and a skirt while the guys are clothed in regular gear. I'm glad there is practical armor for females, and by that I mean "looks like it will stop an incoming blow." Fantasy game mechanics allow us to still run around and fight with arrows protruding from our sternums, but at least it looks like the character tried to not die.

 

We aren't at odds here, even if I think "sexy" armor is dumb. The option for people to use it is something I would get behind. Just as long as devs don't take that to mean that we must return to having our t*ts hang out.

[Panda]

I think boob plate armor is okay and can look nice depending how it's made. Also I don't think it's same as steel bikini, but there was some examples closer to steel bikini posted so that's why I brought it up into discussion as well ^^

 

For boob plate I still prefer Meredith's approach of armor that shows that she has boobs, but doesn't make them focus point. I'd like more armor that has been shaped around women's figure rather than having seperate boob cups.

 

 

Though even more than boob plate I still like my heavy armor from Origins (despite my little brother saying that she can't be female wearing armor like that.. sadly he has already been indoctriated into world of boob plates and steel bikinis) ^^

 

[HuldraDancer]

I think boob plate armor is okay and can look nice depending how it's made. Also I don't think it's same as steel bikini, but there was some examples closer to steel bikini posted so that's why I brought it up into discussion as well ^^

 

For boob plate I still prefer Meredith's approach of armor that shows that she has boobs, but doesn't make them focus point. I'd like more armor that has been shaped around women's figure rather than having seperate boob cups.

 

-snip-

 

Though even more than boob plate I still like my heavy armor from Origins (despite my little brother saying that she can't be female wearing armor like that.. sadly he has already been indoctriated into world of boob plates and steel bikinis) ^^

 

-snip-

 

Oh those armors are kind of nice actually then again I just kind of like Meredith's design in general^^;

 

off topic real quick but I get what you mean with your brother my little cousin thinks its impossible to be female and have short hair at the same time.

[SACanuckin Oz]

Last time I looked this was a SINGLE PLAYER cRPG. I fail to understand why one person trying to engage Bioware in a conversation regarding their desire to see a particular style of armour in the SINGLE player game can possibly elicit 22 pages of the type of comments I read here.

 

If you don't like it in YOUR single player game, presumably played in your own home, eh, don't use it.

 

If he/she/others want to use it in THEIR game, presumably played in their own home, what's it to you?

 

Seriously.

Some people that play this game are in their 50s or 60s. Should all characters in the game have grey hair so they won't feel awkward. But some are in their teens, so should everyone look very young so these players can connect better with the game?

 

That's the type of logic I see here. Absurd really.

 

One player is advocating fro a certain style of armour THEY like. It should not affect YOUR game if Bioware decided to add this to game, as long as you continue to have the choices you currently have.

 

[BTW, I can (almost 100%) guarantee that this won't happen anyway. It seems there are more significant issues to deal with than this.]

[Brain Defect]

 

 

off topic real quick but I get what you mean with your brother my little cousin thinks its impossible to be female and have short hair at the same time.

Oh, don't worry, he will figure it out someday. Hopefully.

 

 

Last time I looked this was a SINGLE PLAYER cRPG. I fail to understand why one person trying to engage Bioware in a conversation regarding their desire to see a particular style of armour in the SINGLE player game can possibly elicit 22 pages of the type of comments I read here.

 

 

Well the OP seems to be little insane. He makes plenty of threads telling us how ugly Cassandra and Josephine are, and that they look like men, how gay DAI is, how straight males are oppressed, and how it's fault of teh evul feminists. Apparently women look only like women, when they have long hair and skimpy outfit. He has even done that on freaking Obsidian forum, which has nothing to do with DAI. Dude simply has some weird obsession. Nothing weird that he attracts attention. ^^'

 

 

If you don't like it in YOUR single player game, presumably played in your own home, eh, don't use it.

 

If he/she/others want to use it in THEIR game, presumably played in their own home, what's it to you?

 

The problem with sexy outfits is that in too many games they're sexy only on female characters. And that's sexist.

Also, many people don't like that women in many games are there only to show boobies.  They want women to be treated like actual human beings, not sexual objects. 

[TheOgre]

 

The problem with sexy outfits is that in too many games they're sexy only on female characters. And that's sexist.

Also, many people don't like that women in many games are there only to show boobies.  They want women to be treated like actual human beings, not sexual objects. 

 

Question -- Are you afraid if they add sexy outfits to a vanilla game, it will only be sexy outfits for female players and not gender neutral?

[Panda]

Last time I looked this was a SINGLE PLAYER cRPG. I fail to understand why one person trying to engage Bioware in a conversation regarding their desire to see a particular style of armour in the SINGLE player game can possibly elicit 22 pages of the type of comments I read here.

 

If you don't like it in YOUR single player game, presumably played in your own home, eh, don't use it.

 

If he/she/others want to use it in THEIR game, presumably played in their own home, what's it to you?

 

Seriously.

Some people that play this game are in their 50s or 60s. Should all characters in the game have grey hair so they won't feel awkward. But some are in their teens, so should everyone look very young so these players can connect better with the game?

 

That's the type of logic I see here. Absurd really.

 

One player is advocating fro a certain style of armour THEY like. It should not affect YOUR game if Bioware decided to add this to game, as long as you continue to have the choices you currently have.

 

[BTW, I can (almost 100%) guarantee that this won't happen anyway. It seems there are more significant issues to deal with than this.]

 

It's okay if there is options to be covered or sexy. Sadly usually inclusion of boob plates or more revealing armor like steel bikinis means that they are only good gear your female character and wear and that's no no. Even more so when the higher the armor rating is the more covered in armor male character is and the less covered female character gets.

 

I didn't have problem with DAO's approach since it offered lot of options. DAI itself doesn't have many armor sets, maybe 1/5 of what DAO had so there isn't much space have different styles.

 

Also, I think outfit should fit to art style and characters and thus sexy armor doesn't fit to every game and character.

 

I think that summarises my thoughts on the topic ^^

[Seraphim24]

Popularity =/= objective fact

 

 

 

This is bad logic. possible bias doesn't negate the existence of opinions, and that's what subjectivity is: varied opinions. You're kidding yourself if you think people can't have different opinions about armor designs, or that the popular opinion is the objective one

 

Han's post is a good example, but not for the reason you use. It has ten likes as I'm typing. Some of those thumbs are because those people appreciate the look of the armor, but more than a hundred other peoples have viewed that page and not liked it, and some of those people didn't because they didn't really like it or they could take it or leave it

 

That variation of reaction is the subjective aspect of peoples personal taste in armor, which yeah, definitely exists

 

I think basically 100% of everyone prefers Han's post to that other absurd one, find me a single person that feels otherwise.. it's kind of such a strong divergence.

 

For practical purposes, if you want to appeal people's actual desires, it would probably be wise to rely on some sense of universally desirable things. That's why it was so easy to predict that Han's post would be more popular (and in fact doubled in likes), compared to the other one.

 

Also I happen to think there's a pretty high correlation between popularity and the presence of something valuable, maybe it's not the most popular, but perhaps the second most popular thing or something... but rarely is it not at all popular.

 

I've never seen a poster who finds Cassandra unattractive cite her armor as a factor. It's all about the face. 

 

Eh I didn't really say that, but yeah a lot of the art design in DA I find pretty boring and uninspired..