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[Panda]

That picture of Rasaan is too prettified. Qunari women should still be tall, muscular and not have human build, I think DAI went in better direction with that although it didn't offer qunari like armory for qunari PC's, well PC's armor options were always very human-like and didn't have much variety which is sad.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That picture of Rasaan is too prettified. Qunari women should still be tall, muscular and not have human build, I think DAI went in better direction with that although it didn't offer qunari like armory for qunari PC's, well PC's armor options were always very human-like and didn't have much variety which is sad.

Despite the Qunari in DAI having a human build, meaning they went no better a direction. 

 

Now we can't even have aesthetically pleasing PCs anymore as well as aesthetically pleasing armor? 

[Uirebhiril]

It's not an unfair comparison, I feel. It still seems completely arbitrary to me to pick out boob physics as the point that makes or breaks relatability. Are you saying that every game before boob physics left you unable to experience immersion, because they didn't bounce?

I simply can't follow at this point. My potential for immersion or possibly even identification does not suffer because my male protagonist does not experience the need to rearrange the contents of his pants after a particularly pitched battle.

 

Bouncing boobs (or lack thereof) do not break my immersion. Feeling like the portrayal of a female in the game is only a caricature of reality does -  because despite using the word "reality" I do still mean relatable. Naturally they will not show a guy character adjusting his pants any more than they will show the female itching under her bra strap, but we both know these things happen on a given day. The guy at least has his parts covered over in cloth and metal, so it's going to be a lot more secure than boobies wrapped in a cloth sling only wide enough for modesty.

 

I guess it'd be like if the typical guy armor was a penis gourd and a short cape. Not even a nice fluffy barbarian loincloth. Just a bit of leaf or horn covering things down there. The hilarity would  be forgotten once you got into combat or are otherwise playing through the story, but there would be questions of how realistic and wtf regardless.

 

Which is still different than boob plate, but I already said give the option for people who want it. As long as it's not forced on all NPCs, or like in the good old days, on the PC as well.

[Char]

I think it could be interpreted that way too.  The way I see it, is that women are more agile and should probably rely more on speed and flexiblity in battle over pure brute force.  I think lighter armors work best for that purpose, even if it is a heavier set of armor.  Although it sucks that the combat can't really reflect that between male and female warrior/tank types.

There's still a world of difference between lightweight armour and a wire G-string though.
Anything can have a positive spin on it, but to suggest game designers put women in battle underwear to indicate that they are more skilled than men is tantamount to peeing on someone's leg and telling them it's raining.
It just isn't true.
If people want their female characters to run around like the VS Angels on roids, that's cool, but lets not pretend its for anything other than people's viewing pleasure

[SnakeCode]

It's not an unfair comparison, I feel. It still seems completely arbitrary to me to pick out boob physics as the point that makes or breaks relatability. Are you saying that every game before boob physics left you unable to experience immersion, because they didn't bounce?

I simply can't follow at this point. My potential for immersion or possibly even identification does not suffer because my male protagonist does not experience the need to rearrange the contents of his pants after a particularly pitched battle.

 

It's a really silly and needlessly picky argument when you think about it. Of all of the things people can suspend their disbelief for, people wielding weapons larger than their entire bodies, people conjuring fire and ice from their bare hands, people having static hair, people killing entire armies worth of enemies. A pair of breasts that stay in place? Nope, that's a step too far! Immersion broken.

[carlo angelo]

After some thinking about this whole "bad portrayal" issue this one question came to my mind.

The same armour on male and female character. It is full plate on male, chainmail bikini on female. The only complain we can see is that it is sexualized portrayal of woman. How about looking at it from different angle.

 

Two equal characters (stats wise) male wearing full plate armour and female wearing chainmall bikini. According to the game they are equal in combat in this current setup. What does that tells us? Male character is clumsy idiot who needs to dress in thick armour to be able to compete with female warrior. Bad portrayal of men? Sexist design? 

 

So what is better, being seen and admired because of your body or being looked down upon and treated as an inept imbecile that can't compete with female unless he is heavily armoured because that's all there is to his fighting ability.

 

Cool story, huh ? 

 

So, going by that, I trust you wouldn't have any arguments with this character design?

 

Don't worry, they changed it anyway. I just thought, one: "this is pretty much similar to what many women think of a lot of female character designs", two "eh, if that were a female character, would it get the same response?", and three "LOL, SquareEnix.".

 

That being said, I'm not adverse to sexy character designs (of any sex, mind you), so long as it doesn't make at least half the population do a double-take.

[Uirebhiril]

It's a really silly and needlessly picky argument when you think about it. Of all of the things people can suspend their disbelief for, people wielding weapons larger than their entire bodies, people conjuring fire and ice from their bare hands, people having static hair, people killing entire armies worth of enemies. A pair of breats that stay in place? Nope, that's a step too far! Immersion broken.

 

Whoa up there, bub. I'm also of the opinion that the stupid-large swords are dumb. Magic is a staple of fantasy, which we can't relate to in the real world and can easily suspend disbelief for in fascination of the story. Those things aren't on topic for this thread, but I could just as easily write a page on that too. Let's not miss the point of the topic here. I'm not wrong for my feelings and opinions any more than you are, even if we disagree.

[In Exile]

So, going by that, I trust you wouldn't have any arguments with this character design?

 

Don't worry, they changed it anyway. I just thought, one: "this is pretty much similar to what many women think of a lot of female character designs", two "eh, if that were a female character, would it get the same response?", and three "LOL, SquareEnix.".

 

That being said, I'm not adverse to sexy character designs (of any sex, mind you), so long as it doesn't make at least half the population do a double-take.

 

That's a shame. I was definitely a fan of the "before" picture in this case. Not that I'd ever play the game mind, you. But still. 

[carlo angelo]

That's a shame. I was definitely a fan of the "before" picture in this case. Not that I'd ever play the game mind, you. But still. 

 

I'm not one for FF games either, but eh... I wouldn't be complaining if they stuck with what they had. Though, it still wouldn't be enough for me to want to play it anyway.

[Kevorka]

That needs to be a DLC. I would love to see the chain mill bikini look.

[Mihura]

My problem with Rasaan and the Inquisitor female qunari, is not the armor or clothes but how they look a lot less powerful than a human male. Actually I will be all for skimpy armor if there is a lot of muscles involved, just like Iron Bull.

[SnakeCode]

My problem with Rasaan and the Inquisitor female qunari, is not the armor or clothes but how they look a lot less powerful than a human male. Actually I will be all for skimpy armor if there is a lot of muscles involved, just like Iron Bull.

 

I think this was a consequence of The Qunari being a playable race in Inquisition. They had to use the same character creation tools as the other races. Which means more human-like faces and physique.

 

It happened with male Qunari as well, they don't look anywhere near as brutish or imposing as they did in DA2.

[philippe willaume]

After some thinking about this whole "bad portrayal" issue this one question came to my mind.

The same armour on male and female character. It is full plate on male, chainmail bikini on female. The only complain we can see is that it is sexualized portrayal of woman. How about looking at it from different angle.

 

Two equal characters (stats wise) male wearing full plate armour and female wearing chainmall bikini. According to the game they are equal in combat in this current setup. What does that tells us? Male character is clumsy idiot who needs to dress in thick armour to be able to compete with female warrior. Bad portrayal of men? Sexist design? 

 

So what is better, being seen and admired because of your body or being looked down upon and treated as an inept imbecile that can't compete with female unless he is heavily armoured because that's all there is to his fighting ability.

 

Cool story, huh ? 

nope kind of a sad one 

Unfortunately both of the statement are not mutually exclusive, it is bad portrayal of men and sexist design.

 

as a side note, the point of  Armour is it really helps fighting.

[Panda]

Despite the Qunari in DAI having a human build, meaning they went no better a direction. 

 

Now we can't even have aesthetically pleasing PCs anymore as well as aesthetically pleasing armor? 

 

I don't see how Qunari in DAI have human build?

 

Also I don't see how qunari woman who is large and muscular is not aesthetically pleasing.

 

So, going by that, I trust you wouldn't have any arguments with this character design?

 

Don't worry, they changed it anyway. I just thought, one: "this is pretty much similar to what many women think of a lot of female character designs", two "eh, if that were a female character, would it get the same response?", and three "LOL, SquareEnix.".

 

That being said, I'm not adverse to sexy character designs (of any sex, mind you), so long as it doesn't make at least half the population do a double-take.

 

Ah it's a shame that they changed it. Of cource it was quite ridiculously revealing and sexy, but FF has outfits like that on female characters too so there shouldn't have been any problem.

 

Like this:

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

My guess is that Square Enix tried to be daring and forward-thinking by not toning down female armors like many other has done, but introducing similar sexy armors to male characters that female characters use, but it backfired cause gaming community isn't ready for that. Such shame.

[DirkJake]

So, going by that, I trust you wouldn't have any arguments with this character design?

 

Don't worry, they changed it anyway. I just thought, one: "this is pretty much similar to what many women think of a lot of female character designs", two "eh, if that were a female character, would it get the same response?", and three "LOL, SquareEnix.".

 

That being said, I'm not adverse to sexy character designs (of any sex, mind you), so long as it doesn't make at least half the population do a double-take.

 

These are really eye candy.

 

But as much as I love seeing these men in these revealing "armors", they are ridiculous. 

[Han Shot First]

Fighting naked is preferable to a death-trap that is boob plate armor...

 

You've got that backwards. The boob plate armor would provide far more protection than fighting unarmored.

 

I realize not everyone is reading every post in this thread, but I've covered this twice before. It would protect just as well against weapons that wound by slashing or stabbing, as they can't get through plate armor. Cutting or stabbing through plate armor only happens in Hollywood. In the real world you would be more likely to damage your sword or pike by hitting someone with plate armor in the chest, than you are to injure the wearer. The objective with those weapons is to go for spots between the armor.

 

It would also provide more protection than chain, leather, or padded armor. Death trap? Hardly. At best it can maybe be argued that it would provide slightly less protection than standard plate, but it still would provide more protection than most other armor types. 

[carlo angelo]

I don't see how qunari woman who is large and muscular is not aesthetically pleasing.

 

I'm all for more muscular female characters. I've got my fingers crossed for the next installment.

 

 

Ah it's a shame that they changed it. Of cource it was quite ridiculously revealing and sexy, but FF has outfits like that on female characters too so there shouldn't have been any problem.

 

Like this:

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

My guess is that Square Enix tried to be daring and forward-thinking by not toning down female armors like many other has done, but introducing similar sexy armors to male characters that female characters use, but it backfired cause gaming community isn't ready for that. Such shame.

 

It is a bit of a pity, but then again, you have the same sort of option on that recent FF MMORPG (correct me if I'm wrong). At least scant armour can apply to both male and female characters. So I tend to just let that one slide.

 

In terms of FF in general? ...Eh.

 

 

These are really eye candy.

 

But as much as I love seeing these men in these revealing "armors", they are ridiculous. 

 

It is ridiculous. Same with chainmail bikini armour.

 

But if people are going to insist, might as well apply it to physically attractive men as well and at least enjoy the view.

 

Sounds fair? Sounds fair.

[9TailsFox]

My problem with Rasaan and the Inquisitor female qunari, is not the armor or clothes but how they look a lot less powerful than a human male. Actually I will be all for skimpy armor if there is a lot of muscles involved, just like Iron Bull.

You problem with nature. Male normally have more muscle. I think it is accurate.

Spoiler

[KBomb]

Thedas is not Wonderland or even Narnia - it is a fantasy world that still strongly resembles ours in many respects. I mean, even if characters (like Iron Bull or Vivienne) make comment about practicality of armor, it means that it applies to the world of Thedas, just like it would apply to ours.

To put it simply - it's canon.

Just because a character in the world of Thedas says something, doesn't make it canon. Bull--a warrior wearing faulty armor-- commenting on the practicality of armor, doesn't mean Bioware decided that Iron Bull speaks gospel.

If you really believe that, pro-mages would love that argument. Considering how Vivienne speaks about the Circles and the rebellion.

[Panda]

You problem with nature. Male normally have more muscle. I think it is accurate.

Spoiler

 

Qunari women are still qunari and since qunari men are more muscular and big than male humans so should be females as well. Qunari females in comics also seemed to lack same crude look, their faces were prettified and this is quite common problem when designing new races or species, female counterparts are made pretty in human standards when male parts often aren't. Also nothing says that male counterparts should always be bigger and muscular, though with qunari it has already been established that it is so.

[Brain Defect]

Qunari women are still qunari and since qunari men are more muscular and big than male humans so should be females as well.

This.

Female Qunari is little bigger than a human woman, sadly. Honestly, compare her to Iron Bull. Do they look like members of the same race?

Though she is awesomely tall. 

[trevelyan_shep]

This thread makes me shake my head so hard.

[Mihura]

You problem with nature. Male normally have more muscle. I think it is accurate.

Spoiler

 

Not it is not, if I compare myself with one of my male friends, in the same group age, similar height and habits we are not that different aside from me having more curves and be a little more light. If you compare the male inquisitor human with the female qunari, they look the same race. Male humans even have more upper body muscles and that makes no sense.

One of my favorite things about Diablo III is how well done the barbarians turn out

This two look like they come from the same race, female and male qunari do not.

[KBomb]

This.
Female Qunari is little bigger than a human woman, sadly. Honestly, compare her to Iron Bull. Do they look like members of the same race?

Though she is awesomely tall.

Iron Bull seems to be an exception to the rule, rather than the standard. How does she compare to her male counterpart? I have yet to play a qunari, so I never had the chance to compare. It does seem like I saw a screenshot of a femquis qunari standing next to the male qunari on the ramparts near Cullen's office and they seemed to have the same ratio difference as the human male/female and the elf male/female, iirc. I guess the most fair comparison would be how she measured up to the male PC, however. I have no idea about that.

[Terodil]

I'd much rather have a less muscular qunari male and keep the current qunari female model than have the female beefed up to the male state. In my eyes the male is definitely not aesthetically pleasing, and while that is clearly not the end-all-be-all of character design, it would simply make me not want to play them. I don't like hulks.

@Panda: Of course I can find people with too much (or too little) muscle and/or too much (or too little) fat not handsome/beautiful. As I said before, you don't magically become visually attractive because you consider yourself so or because you have a great personality. Just like I don't get any cleverer because I think my eyebrows look awesome.

@the person asking about the skimpy male armor design in FF: I'm all for it. Give the ladies and gay men something to drool over too. Would only be fair.