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[SpiritMuse]

I´m not a a expert on physics but wouldn´t a body armor, at least a one piece armor going around the torso, work like a faraday cage absorbing the kinetic energy? Especially with the padding giving support under the armor.

It "absorbs" the energy by spreading it out across the whole of your chest. So you're still getting hit by all of it, just not hard enough in any single spot to do real damage. This is why a boobplate is problematic, as it effectively does the exact opposite. Because of the way the cups are shaped, any hit to them focuses all the kinetic energy to their edge. And especially if you're hitting both at the same time, the force that would be put on the part in the middle, where both boob cups meet, would be doubled and enough to do serious damage to your sternum as well as the rest of your ribs.

[Terodil]

Since the ladies cite the need for particular protection across the chest as the argument for the eradication of pretty armor, I think the guys deserve some more protection for their delicate parts too. I'm sure many women and men would appreciate this design for its elegance.
 

 
Make it happen, BW.

[Gwydden]

I'd take the whole "boob plate isn't realistic" argument a lot more seriously if BioWare had any sort of decent track record with realism. As things stand, it seems to me they are just paying too much attention to internet memes.

[Char]

Since the ladies cite the need for particular protection across the chest as the argument for the eradication of pretty armor, I think the guys deserve some more protection for their delicate parts too. I'm sure many women and men would appreciate this design for its elegance.  Make it happen, BW.

I'm just imagining all the Inquisition as Togepi now. Don't mind me

[Brain Defect]

Since the ladies cite the need for particular protection across the chest as the argument for the eradication of pretty armor, I think the guys deserve some more protection for their delicate parts too. I'm sure many women and men would appreciate this design for its elegance.
 

 
Make it happen, BW.

Damn, I would die out of laughter. 

[Uccio]

It "absorbs" the energy by spreading it out across the whole of your chest. So you're still getting hit by all of it, just not hard enough in any single spot to do real damage. This is why a boobplate is problematic, as it effectively does the exact opposite. Because of the way the cups are shaped, any hit to them focuses all the kinetic energy to their edge. And especially if you're hitting both at the same time, the force that would be put on the part in the middle, where both boob cups meet, would be doubled and enough to do serious damage to your sternum as well as the rest of your ribs.

 

But can a human hand produce so much energy to actually harm someone inside like that? For what I have seen so far, I don´t believe it. We are talking about padded armor here. Breast cups/cones/bumps would provide more room for padding itself (or layers of armor). 

[leaguer of one]

I'd take the whole "boob plate isn't realistic" argument a lot more seriously if BioWare had any sort of decent track record with realism. As things stand, it seems to me they are just paying too much attention to internet memes.

Bioware has a answer for that...

[Panda]

Since the ladies cite the need for particular protection across the chest as the argument for the eradication of pretty armor, I think the guys deserve some more protection for their delicate parts too. I'm sure many women and men would appreciate this design for its elegance.
 

 
Make it happen, BW.

 

Well there kind is already..

 

[Uirebhiril]

Since the ladies cite the need for particular protection across the chest as the argument for the eradication of pretty armor, I think the guys deserve some more protection for their delicate parts too. I'm sure many women and men would appreciate this design for its elegance.
 
Make it happen, BW.

 

 

Gosh, yes, if ONLY there were some form of protective strap that men could put on for the delicate bits that they can wear under their trousers... something to secure their genitals and protect them from damage during sports of other intensive training... it's too bad no one has come up with something practical like that in real life.

 

Oh wait...

 

But I guess a kevlar diaper would work too. For some things. Not even going to go and google that one.

[The Baconer]

But can a human hand produce so much energy to actually harm someone inside like that? For what I have seen so far, I don´t believe it. We are talking about padded armor here. Breast cups/cones/bumps would provide more room for padding itself (or layers of armor). 

 

Imagine taking a horseman's pick right on the t*t. If you're wearing armor shaped to accommodate your breasts then there probably isn't much room for extra padding... at least not enough to matter.

[eyezonlyii]

I'm not one for boob armorarmor usually, and I'm really not going to read the 29 pages I haven't read, so maybe this has been brought up. Why not have regular armor with ornamental boob sculpture? Again, not that I am really advocating, but just a thought.

[carlo angelo]

Sigh... beautifully designed armour and sound practically need not be mutually exclusive.

 

But **** it, diaper crotch-piece, yes.

[leaguer of one]

I'm not one for boob armorarmor usually, and I'm really not going to read the 29 pages I haven't read, so maybe this has been brought up. Why not have regular armor with ornamental boob sculpture? Again, not that I am really advocating, but just a thought.

Because t*ts are heavy.

[KBomb]

Because t*ts are heavy.

Meh, not all are.

[leaguer of one]

Meh, not all are.

if they are made of iron and steel they are.

[KBomb]

if they are made of iron and steel they are.

It would be part of the armor. You wouldn't be walking around with steel dumbells hanging from your boobs. Most that I have seen are connected to a bottom piece that is worn like any other plate. I would imagine like any soldier or knight, your body would adjust to any additional weight over time and since armor was made to distribute weigh pretty evenly, I don't imagine this would be any different.

When I hike, I carry 30-35 lbs of extra weight and I am a pretty small built person. My 120 lb friend carries her twenty pound baby in one of those front carrier things. Does her errands, shopping, laundry, etc with him just hanging there. A soldier would wear this weight nearly every day-- training and fighting. You'd be surprised what a human body can adjust to.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

This thread is hilarious.

[SpiritMuse]

But can a human hand produce so much energy to actually harm someone inside like that? For what I have seen so far, I don´t believe it. We are talking about padded armor here. Breast cups/cones/bumps would provide more room for padding itself (or layers of armor).

Hm, I'm not sure where that extra padding could be to really enhance protection. Inside the cups? That would do nothing to help the pressure from the rims. Because that's the problem - the shape doesn't diffuse the force, but concentrates it instead. A layer of padding wouldn't really fix that.

And maybe a bare or empty hand wouldn't produce enough force (though I imagine a good punch might come a long way), but a hand holding a sword or an axe would, especially two-handers. Or a shield bash with a person's full weight behind it.

And even if it doesn't actually break anything, it would sure cause one hell of a bruise, making things just unnecessarily painful.

[Terodil]

Hm, I'm not sure where that extra padding could be to really enhance protection. Inside the cups? That would do nothing to help the pressure from the rims. Because that's the problem - the shape doesn't diffuse the force, but concentrates it instead. A layer of padding wouldn't really fix that.

Hm. Maybe I'm just dumb, but I still don't get the 'amplification of impulse due to smaller pressure area' argument.

If I remember my physics correctly, pushing two more or less parallel surfaces together yields a uniform increase in pressure across the whole area in between the parallels. If both surfaces have an identical depression or a bulge, say in the middle, the increase in pressure there is just as high as the increase in pressure in the surrounding areas.

Now if the surfaces are not parallel, then we have indeed the problem of pressure points. But wouldn't the conclusion be that as long as
- the armor is well-fitted

- the armor material is inflexible
- the material thickness is uniform
- and we leave out the possibility of armor being compromised due to weapons being caught in an ornament or the likes
boob armor actually IMPROVES the comfort of its wearer in combat? Because if the boobs form a bulge in the lower layer and the upper layer, the armor, does not accomodate these bulges, the pressure points will be directly over the boobs, so a hit on the breastplate anywhere is going to squeeze the boobs more because the surrounding areas (the rest of the torso) will catch the impulse far later than the boobs.

WTB physicist.

 

Edit: This is indeed getting hilarious. I'm having great fun with applied physics

Edit 2: This is also where I'm getting painfully aware that English is not my mother tongue and that I didn't have maths/physics classes in English. So apologies if I'm not as clear as I would want to be, I'm really treading thin ice here with maths/physics terms.

[SpiritMuse]

Hm. Maybe I'm just dumb, but I still don't get the 'amplification of impulse due to smaller pressure area' argument.
If I remember my physics correctly, pushing two more or less parallel surfaces together yields a uniform increase in pressure across the whole area in between the parallels. If both surfaces have an identical depression or a bulge, say in the middle, the increase in pressure there is just as high as the increase in pressure in the surrounding areas.
Now if the surfaces are not parallel, then we have indeed the problem of pressure points. But wouldn't the conclusion be that as long as
- the armor is well-fitted
- the armor material is inflexible
- the material thickness is uniform
- and we leave out the possibility of armor being compromised due to weapons being caught in an ornament or the likes
boob armor actually IMPROVES the comfort of its wearer in combat? Because if the boobs form a bulge in the lower layer and the upper layer, the armor, does not accomodate these bulges, the pressure points will be directly over the boobs, so a hit on the breastplate anywhere is going to squeeze the boobs more because the surrounding areas (the rest of the torso) will catch the impulse far later than the boobs.
WTB physicist.
 
Edit: This is indeed getting hilarious. I'm having great fun with applied physics
Edit 2: This is also where I'm getting painfully aware that English is not my mother tongue and that I didn't have maths/physics classes in English. So apologies if I'm not as clear as I would want to be, I'm really treading thin ice here with maths/physics terms.

I think it's pretty funny to have such a serious conversation about boob plate armor. Especially considering the high troll level of the op. XD

I'm not completely an expert either to be honest (well, not on armor physics but I'm pretty well versed on how boobs behave considering I own a pair xD) but I think I understand now. I may be reading it wrong, but I think the issue here is that you're assuming that boobs have the same hardness and resistance as a bone ribs-augmented flat chest and as a result the boob plate would indeed distribute the force equally because it follows their curve. But boobs are squishy and easily flattened (well, unless they're fake boobs) and as such don't "contribute" to the supporting of the spread-out pressure. So the actual boob wouldn't support the whole surface of the boob cup because instead it would easily be squished out of the way, and then the pressure would be concentrated on the edges alone.

Mind, this is for the explicit boob "cup" armor. Cassandra's armor doesn't have the boob cups but it does have a mild curvature to it that follows her shape a little. That might do the kind of thing you describe.

[Terodil]

I think it's pretty funny to have such a serious conversation about boob plate armor. Especially considering the high troll level of the op. XD

Same. It's brilliant
 

I'm not completely an expert either to be honest (well, not on armor physics but I'm pretty well versed on how boobs behave considering I own a pair xD) but I think I understand now.

I respect your 'authoritah.'
 

I may be reading it wrong, but I think the issue here is that you're assuming that boobs have the same hardness and resistance as a bone ribs-augmented flat chest and as a result the boob plate would indeed distribute the force equally because it follows their curve. But boobs are squishy and easily flattened (well, unless they're fake boobs) and as such don't "contribute" to the supporting of the spread-out pressure. So the actual boob wouldn't support the whole surface of the boob cup because instead it would easily be squished out of the way, and then the pressure would be concentrated on the edges alone.

Mind, this is for the explicit boob "cup" armor. Cassandra's armor doesn't have the boob cups but it does have a mild curvature to it that follows her shape a little. That might do the kind of thing you describe.

That makes a lot of sense, thank you (still out of likes for today, sorry!). I find this reasoning (i.e. the edges of the cups exerting pressure on the ribs) much easier to follow than the argument about just the sternum getting pushed in. (I'll also say that boob armor for me is more a whole suit of armor with modelled boobs, not the bikini boob cup which quite obviously has no protective value at all. Eh. From an armor perspective, ofc. Might still turn men into drooling dimwits. )

[SpiritMuse]

Same. It's brilliant  I respect your 'authoritah.' That makes a lot of sense, thank you (still out of likes for today, sorry!). I find this reasoning (i.e. the edges of the cups exerting pressure on the ribs) much easier to follow than the argument about the sternum getting pushed in. (I'll also say that boob armor for me is more a whole suit of armor with modelled boobs, not the bikini boob cup which quite obviously has no protective value at all. Eh. From an armor perspective, ofc. Might still turn men into drooling dimwits. )

Haha, thank you. I really should remember to like more, I always forget that I can. ^^

The thing about the sternum is that is generally where the two boob cups meet, so the edges of both boob cups fall on that spot, essentially exposing it to double the force if both boobs are hit. That's why people tend to name it as the most easily damaged spot.

You know I never thought I'd ever end up using the term "boob cups" that much. XD Or at all, really. XD

[Terodil]

Thought #2: If the boob cups (lol) do not have sharp edges, but curve around (think Femshep armor), would it still be a problem?

... well I'd guess that it'd depend on the curve, since essentially it would just distribute the force that would push on the edges of the cup over a larger area. Hah. Actually, I think we could make a 'discomfort graph' soon, because probably the discomfort of having no boob modelling at all (= leads to boobs getting squished more frequently) and the discomfort from the boob cup edges pressing on the ribs (minus the 'opportunity cost' of having the boobs 'untouched') should meet at a spot somewhere between 'no boob modelling at all' and 'perfect boob model'.

rofl. I'm going to put my head under a cold shower now xD

[SardaukarElite]

Mind, this is for the explicit boob "cup" armor. Cassandra's armor doesn't have the boob cups but it does have a mild curvature to it that follows her shape a little. That might do the kind of thing you describe.

 

A lot of male plate armour seems to have a curved / sloped front, so I think Cas's curvature makes sense. It's just putting each breast into its own compartment is as far as I can tell something that only makes sense if you don't have to build or use your own design.

[SpiritMuse]

Thought #2: If the boob cups (lol) do not have sharp edges, but curve around (think Femshep armor), would it still be a problem?... well I'd guess that it'd depend on the curve, since essentially it would just distribute the force that would push on the edges of the cup over a larger area. Hah. Actually, I think we could make a 'discomfort graph' soon, because probably the discomfort of having no boob modelling at all (= leads to boobs getting squished more frequently) and the discomfort from the boob cup edges pressing on the ribs (minus the 'opportunity cost' of having the boobs 'untouched') should meet at a spot somewhere between 'no boob modelling at all' and 'perfect boob model'.rofl. I'm going to put my head under a cold shower now xD

LMAO yes, a discussion like this really needs a graph. XD