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[Hanako Ikezawa]

I just don't get why there can't the option for people who want more aesthetically pleasing armor instead of practical armor.

[Natashina]

I think the armor in this game looks great as well as being practical.  I had fun crafting my armor and I thought my lady Inquisitors look stylish.  Not everyone sees the two as mutually exclusive.  

[TheOgre]

Okay, one set of armor in 3 games.  I'll grant you that.  So, why does it need to make any sort of comeback?  Because it looks so much nicer?  I never wore it, I preferred the look of the countless other sets of armor that didn't have boobs on it.  One set of armor is worth this "comeback?"

 

Meredith's armor doesn't show some perfectly round breasts hammered into it like what the rather nutty OP wants.  It looks a lot like Cassandra's armor, actually.

 

 

 There is a ton of games out there that have art styles perfect for boob armor.  I think the OP needs to play those instead.  That isn't a "go play a dating sim" crack either, since some of those games are very good.  I just think that the OP needs to leave this, and the PoE forums alone.  As well as leave David Gaider alone.  The writers put in a few rough ideas, and the design team does the rest.  I think people need to complain to the design team for choosing this, not the writers for daring to agree with it.  Or blaming "feminism."  I'm wondering if they folks that claim that have actually talked to a feminist on the forums, or if everything they know from feminism comes from extreme sources such as Anita.

 

Hell, Dragon Age is one of the few fantasy games that doesn't have a lot boob plate armor, and hasn't since 2009.  The series has been just fine without it. 

 

And no, he didn't see this as war.  In their very strict eyes, it isn't.  War for a Quanri is invading Thedas in a holy battle.  What Iron Bull is doing is battling an ancient enemy on the field of battle.  If the Qunari go to war, it'll be something like Dragon Age 4: The Exalted March.  

 

So fine, you do not want boob plate armor. Having both options in a game vanilla somehow really lower your overall quality of the game you play? Besides, at least the OP included male breastplate style armor. I like the idea of having a gladiator like armor set that depicts muscular 'perfection'. I probably won't have the females in my party wearing any of the female breastplates like that primarily because I like to tank. Let others enjoy that stuff. It doesn't really kill any 'immersion' as again, optional.

[Uccio]

Because one good hit would cave in the breastplate and kill the wearer. I doubt we'll see it in the DA universe since Iron Bull called out the ridiculousness in one of his banters with Cassandra

 

I honestly don't care either way, personally, but chances don't look good

 

Most of the armors in DA would get you killed fast so it is not about practicality really.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think the armor in this game looks great as well as being practical.  I had fun crafting my armor and I thought my lady Inquisitors look stylish.  Not everyone sees the two as mutually exclusive.  

I'm glad you do. I don't. There are a few armors in the game for both genders that I like, but we can't wear any of them. 

[Natashina]

So fine, you do not want boob plate armor. Having both options in a game vanilla somehow really lower your overall quality of the game you play? Besides, at least the OP included male breastplate style armor. I like the idea of having a gladiator like armor set that depicts muscular 'perfection'. I probably won't have the females in my party wearing any of the female breastplates like that primarily because I like to tank. Let others enjoy that stuff. It doesn't really kill any 'immersion' as again, optional.

Wow, way to put words into my mouth.  Did I say that?  No, I never did.  I never mentioned the words, " Lowers the quality of the game I play."  I also think that the male armor that the OP put up looks bad and doesn't fit the series either.   I also never said, "Kills my immersion."   If you're going to quote me, then use the words I actually said.  

 

I think it looks terrible and doesn't need to be in the game.  It doesn't "kill my immersion," nor does it "lower the quality of the game I play."  I think it looks idiotic and unlike Iron Bull's get up, the boob armor has no examples of actually being used in the real world.  That male armor was ceremonial, and wasn't used for actual combat.

 

For the record, I never asked for the boob armor to be taken away.  I don't give a rats ass.  However, since we've gone 5 years without it in the series, I think that it doesn't need to return.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Most of the armors in DA would get you killed fast so it is not about practicality really.

Yep. 

"Oh, you're wearing metal armor? Well, the first fire, ice, or lightning attack that hits will either cook, freeze, or vaporize you in it, but good luck." 

[AresKeith]

So fine, you do not want boob plate armor. Having both options in a game vanilla somehow really lower your overall quality of the game you play? Besides, at least the OP included male breastplate style armor. I like the idea of having a gladiator like armor set that depicts muscular 'perfection'. I probably won't have the females in my party wearing any of the female breastplates like that primarily because I like to tank. Let others enjoy that stuff. It doesn't really kill any 'immersion' as again, optional.

 

Where did she say having boob armor lowers her game quality or kills her immersion?

 

Making a lot of assumptions there just because she doesn't feel like it's needed

[TheOgre]

Wow, way to put words into my mouth.  Did I say that?  No, I never did.  I never mentioned the words, " Lowers the quality of the game I play."  I also think that the male armor that the OP put up looks bad and doesn't fit the series either.   I also never said, "Kills my immersion."   If you're going to quote me, then used the words I actually said. 

 

For the record, I never asked for the boob armor to be taken away.  I don't give a rats ass.  However, since we've gone 6 years without it in the series, I think that it doesn't need to return.  

 

 

But you are saying that. The language you used suggests the game is better off without it. Why wouldn't someone assume that means it would take the quality down a notch?

[Natashina]

But you are saying that. The language you used suggests the game is better off without it. Why wouldn't someone assume that means it would take the quality down a notch?

Because they would be wrong?  Yes, I do feel like the game is better off without it.  The game with it didn't reduce the quality though and if the designers decided to bring it back, more power to those that wanted it.  The quality of the game lies in other areas, not the armor.  It wouldn't change the quality of the series if the designers wanted something that silly back.  The OP put his idea into the Feedback section.  I don't think it's a good idea, so I expressed my own opinion.  Who said anything about quality on my part?

 

No skin off of me.  Again, please don't read words into my post that aren't there.

[SnakeCode]

So fine, you do not want boob plate armor. Having both options in a game vanilla somehow really lower your overall quality of the game you play? Besides, at least the OP included male breastplate style armor. I like the idea of having a gladiator like armor set that depicts muscular 'perfection'. I probably won't have the females in my party wearing any of the female breastplates like that primarily because I like to tank. Let others enjoy that stuff. It doesn't really kill any 'immersion' as again, optional.

 

I agree with this. I'm not a fan of boob plate armor myself, and personally wouldn't use any of it. Having those armor sets in the game however for those who do like them and would use them wouldn't affect me or my game at all. Besides, who am I to tell other people what they're allowed/not allowed to enjoy in their games?

[Uccio]

DA armors and weaponry are so far out in fantasy that dismissing "boob" armor for sake of reality or practicality is suberb funny.

[TheOgre]

Okay, one set of armor in 3 games.  I'll grant you that.  So, why does it need to make any sort of comeback?  Because it looks so much nicer?  I never wore it, I preferred the look of the countless other sets of armor that didn't have boobs on it.  One set of armor is worth this "comeback?"

 

Meredith's armor doesn't show some perfectly round breasts hammered into it like what the rather nutty OP wants.  It looks a lot like Cassandra's armor, actually.

 

 

 There is a ton of games out there that have art styles perfect for boob armor.  I think the OP needs to play those instead.  That isn't a "go play a dating sim" crack either, since some of those games are very good.  I just think that the OP needs to leave this, and the PoE forums alone.  As well as leave David Gaider alone.  The writers put in a few rough ideas, and the design team does the rest.  I think people need to complain to the design team for choosing this, not the writers for daring to agree with it.  Or blaming "feminism."  I'm wondering if they folks that claim that have actually talked to a feminist on the forums, or if everything they know from feminism comes from extreme sources such as Anita.

 

Hell, Dragon Age is one of the few fantasy games that doesn't have a lot boob plate armor, and hasn't since 2009.  The series has been just fine without it. 

 

And no, he didn't see this as war.  In their very strict eyes, it isn't.  War for a Quanri is invading Thedas in a holy battle.  What Iron Bull is doing is battling an ancient enemy on the field of battle.  If the Qunari go to war, it'll be something like Dragon Age 4: The Exalted March.  

 

 

Well, based on that bit of banter, as well as the Ceremonial Armor requisition (a chainmail bikini with arrows in it,) I don't think that boob plate armor will make a return to DA any time soon.  We'll probably see more designs like Vivienne's or Isabela's though for the rogues and mages.  However, boob armor for warriors?  You're better off asking the modders for assistance.  A lack of boob armor is also more consistent with the rest of DA's art style for their armor.  If there was detailed armor for men such as in the OP, then I wouldn't care.  However, the boob armor is out of place for Dragon Age, and I'm thankful the writers feel the same way.

 

Don't like it? Get a mod, or request a mod and stop whining.  

 

 

You are either for an idea or against it and clearly you are against the notion. "I could care less either way" does not fit. The bold are just highlights. I may have stretched with the wording I used but it doesn't contradict the message. You believe that the DA universe has to have practicality for female warriors. That is fine too! But DAO, and DA2 to some degree had armor that contradicts your own statement. No, I do not blame feminism for this. I don't think they would have gotten away with Vivienne's chest for example. I just think that the armor styling from DAO isn't foreign to DA's universe and shouldn't be treated as such.

[Panda]

Is it only me, or does that armor Cass has on in picture above actually show her boobs? I wouldn't call it boob plate armor, but it clearly does show that she has pair of boobs.

 

I'm not against boob armors myself, better than steel bikinis that OP wanted in earlier thread (or steel strings since some of them were borderline NSFW). Armor that shows outlines of boobs can still look pretty good like this: https://pmcvariety.f...001-1.jpg?w=670 (sorry that I post this so much, but I just love it's design )

 

However would it be so bad if DAI did go more realistical route without boob plate armors? Or are those some fantasy game requirements that people can't go without?

 

My favorite female armors in DAO weren't boob plate armors at all. They were King Cailan's armor and armor of Sentinel (from DA:A). Templar armor was pretty nice too.

 

Just like for male characters I think female characters armor should above all look badass/cool and it should fit to the character, for both genders.

[Natashina]

 

 

 

 

You are either for an idea or against it and clearly you are against the notion. "I could care less either way" does not fit. The bold are just highlights. I may have stretched with the wording I used but it doesn't contradict the message. You believe that the DA universe has to have practicality for female warriors. That is fine too! But DAO, and DA2 to some degree had armor that contradicts your own statement. No, I do not blame feminism for this. I don't think they would have gotten away with Vivienne's chest for example. I just think that the armor styling from DAO isn't foreign to DA's universe and shouldn't be treated as such.

 

Please don't put so many words into someone's mouth next time though.  And you may not blame feminism, but just look at some of the responses.

 

I said I never asked for it to be removed because I didn't care either way if it existed.  It's like folks accusing me that I hated the brothels and demanded them gone because of some of my views in other areas.  DA2 didn't have boob armor for warriors, and I never saw a thread asking for it.  I think the OP is insane, but not for asking for this.  He's nuts for constantly spamming threads about Cassandra's looks on other game forums and for continuing to harass David Gaider on twitter.

 

I could care less meaning that if someone has their pants in a bunch over boob armor and thinks that either having it or being without it lowers the quality of the game, well....more power to them.  I don't think the style of the armor affects the quality of the game.  I could care less if someone thinks that boob armor would make for a better or worse game.

 

 I think it would look very out of place now after years of no boob plate armor.   So I would like it to not return and judging from the writers and devs themselves, it seems like they agree.  

[AWTEW]

Go and play  lightning returns OP, or watch some ecchi.

[SnakeCode]

Where did she say having boob armor lowers her game quality or kills her immersion?

 

Making a lot of assumptions there just because she doesn't feel like it's needed

 

 

I've always found the "doesn't need to be there" type of arguments we tend to see in these sorts of discussions rather odd. I mean, it's a valid argument and technically, they don't need to. Since we are talking about videogames though, which are entertainment art forms built from the ground up. You could use that argument for/against anything in the game. Combat, dialogue, npcs. None of those things are needed to make a functioning fantasy game.

 

 

The other argument that crops up in these threads is the one regarding realism. It's a dirty word when people are using it to argue against Thedas being an egalitarian world, or s/s romances being widely accepted and prevalent. Why is realism any better of an argument here? If people can suspend their disbelief enough to accept that elves and magic and dragons exist then why is the existence of impractical armor a step too far?

[AresKeith]

I've always found the "doesn't need to be there" type of arguments we tend to see in these sorts of discussions rather odd. I mean, it's a valid argument and technically, they don't need to. Since we are talking about videogames though, which are entertainment art forms built from the ground up. You could use that argument for/against anything in the game. Combat, dialogue, npcs. None of those things are needed to make a functioning fantasy game.

 

 

The other argument that crops up in these threads is the one regarding realism. It's a dirty word when people are using it to argue against Thedas being an egalitarian world, or s/s romances being widely accepted or prevalent. Why is realism any better of an argument here? If people can suspend their disbelief enough to accept that elves and magic and dragons exist then why is the existence of impractical armor a step too far?

 

That's why I prefer not to use realism (though you can use the word for the setting) and instead use believable and I still use that word loosely 

 

The bolded part honestly depends on the setting and how Bioware wants to do it

[Innsmouth Dweller]

hey, i'm all for options. unless they replace normal amour sets entirely.

i wouldn't use them tho...  design is ridiculous

[DomeWing333]

I'm not against the idea of boob plate armor. I can overlook the lack of realism and the very dialogue that addresses Cassandra's lack of boob plate armor also establishes it as a practice in the DA universe. Iron Bull is surprised that a high-ranking woman like Cassandra wouldn't have boob plate armor, implying that many do.

 

If they were to introduce a female character in the next game who's a high ranking warrior like Cassandra but is unlike Cassandra in that she places higher value on appearance than practicality, then I would have no problem even if they made her default armor a boob plate armor. It's all a matter of context.

[TheOgre]

Please don't put so many words into someone's mouth next time though.  And you may not blame feminism, but just look at some of the responses.

 

 

 

 

Okay exactly how are we supposed to look at your message? That argument is usually meant as a way to describe why it's WRONG to add something in. You said you do not want that kind of armor because it does not fit into the universe. How is that exactly not lowering the quality or the immersion?

[Natashina]

That's why I prefer not to use realism (though you can use the word for the setting) and instead use believable and I still use that word loosely 

 

The bolded part honestly depends on the setting and how Bioware wants to do it

I like the term "grounded" myself.  Or I'll use the term "more down to earth."  The "realism" argument can get really out of hand, which is why I avoid using that word when I can.  Shoot, the reason the devs gave for no music out in the field?  "It's more realistic and immersive."   

[AWTEW]

Because there aren't enough game sour there with boob plate armour, already?

[AresKeith]

I like the term "grounded" myself.  Or I'll use the term "more down to earth."  The "realism" argument can get really out of hand, which is why I avoid using that word when I can.  Shoot, the reason the devs gave for no music out in the field?  "It's more realistic and immersive."   

 

Nothing wrong with background music while fighting

[Abraham_uk]