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[TheOgre]

While that kind of thing isn't really to my tastes, I don't mind it provided it is consistent with the rest of the armour in the setting. If all armour is ridiculously OTT like that, then fine. You have a world in which the armour is demonstrated to function differently to how it does in ours. The problem for me comes when you mix armour that looks practical with armour that looks like that in the same setting. Because then you have a massive inconsistency in how the world functions. If "impractical" armour works fine, why bother with practical stuff? If practical armour works properly, how does the guy in your picture survive. Likewise, I'm fine with loincloths and chain-mail bikinis when watching Conan and Red Sonja, because that's how that setting is. But if you've got a woman wearing metal underwear and not much else fighting alongside someone in full late-medieval plate armour, then there's something wrong.

 

 

Ahhh, the rest of the armor in this game I'd say is fairly consistent with it's defense ratings and appearances. It's just that set, that happens to be the most defense rating that I know of, with the exposed belly and back to help show off that fantastic set of abs and muscles.  The point I'm going for is it doesn't all have to be silly or unrealistic. Some of it could exist, as long as there is some.

 

I believe armor serves more than just protecting for example. Mind games for appearance sake or terrifying someone. I.e., I've never been more terrified of an invader before until I saw them with a minotaur helmet (the one I'm wearing) in a similar set of armor gesturing, pumping his fist high up in the air with his twin blade, and then pointing at me as if he's coming for my humanity. It's a mind screw man. 

 

I win more 'invasions' whether on the defense, or hunting down 'sinners' as a blue invader than I lose some by the way. It's generally nerves that cost me a match more than just being out played through skill. I'm pretty cocky, but my ability to bait someone into making a mistake is pretty good.

[PhroXenGold]

To be fair, if I saw someone wearing that armour in a setting where in general, armour worked like it does in reality, I would be pretty scared. Because either he's bat-**** crazy, or he's so confident in his abilites that he doesn't care about keeping himself protected. Either way, it's not someone I'd want to fight. But in such a setting, I would expect that armour to not provide good protection - it would be a matter of trading off protection for the psychological impact of wearing it. For it to provide excellent armour values when other armour is relatively practical demonstrates inconsistently applied rules as to how the setting functions, which for me at least, seriously harms immersion.

[Ennai and 54 others]

To boob platers:

It actually does matter what is NOT in the game.Games are largely about rules,and the rules determine what the identity of the game is.Rules are constraints on what one can do in the game,the game is fun as long as a gamer can still think creatively within their confines.Changing or making the rules more flexible can be detrimental to a game,even small children know this.

Many RPG players are aware that allowing a certain option(like boob and ab plate) into a game can actually damage the quality of the game.This is because they are intuitively aware of the above.

[Lady Artifice]

In honor of OP's early alternating between a request for "boob plate" and bikini armor. 

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

For the record, I'm fine with shapely armor. Bikini armor, not as much. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's entirely possible, but it's also possible (and perhaps likely) that it may just do the same thing ME3 did and have a couple of options you can cycle through for companions that are specific to them, and whatever you buy can only be equipped by the protagonist. The most I expect in terms of armor that changes for the protagonist is a symbol on it, much like how the basic Onyx armor in ME1 only has N7 on the chest when equipped by Shepard. 

Perhaps.

 

 

To boob platers:

It actually does matter what is NOT in the game.Games are largely about rules,and the rules determine what the identity of the game is.Rules are constraints on what one can do in the game,the game is fun as long as a gamer can still think creatively within their confines.Changing or making the rules more flexible can be detrimental to a game,even small children know this.

Many RPG players are aware that allowing a certain option(like boob and ab plate) into a game can actually damage the quality of the game.This is because they are intuitively aware of the above.

Except in the original Dragon Age, thus the original rules and identity, had such armor as perfectly valid. It wasn't until later when they changed it to where it is not an option. 

[Ennai and 54 others]

Perhaps.



Except in the original Dragon Age, thus the original rules and identity, had such armor as perfectly valid. It wasn't until later when they changed it to where it is not an option.

And that was to their credit.Many would say dragon age is better off for it and that removing unrealistic boob plate is a good thing.Adding a new rule (new constraint)can improve a game as well.

Now all they need now is to downsize the weapons.Things made of metal don't need to be very big to cause significant damage.

[TheOgre]

And that was to their credit.Many would say dragon age is better off for it and that removing unrealistic boob plate is a good thing.Adding a new rule (new constraint)can improve a game as well.

Now all they need now is to downsize the weapons.Things made of metal don't need to be very big to cause significant damage.

 

People keep throwing around this term, "unrealistic" as if it's a magical end all word. Just go ahead and admit this is offensive to your taste and move on. Someone already came in and debunked that this term 'unrealistic' has no water in it. It's all based on what the developer wants. If they want massive spikey armor that wouldn't ever work because of how heavy it is, they will still have it in. If they want stripper plate in because of yolo, they will have it in.

[Duelist]

Ahhh, the rest of the armor in this game I'd say is fairly consistent with it's defense ratings and appearances. It's just that set, that happens to be the most defense rating that I know of, with the exposed belly and back to help show off that fantastic set of abs and muscles. The point I'm going for is it doesn't all have to be silly or unrealistic. Some of it could exist, as long as there is some.

I believe armor serves more than just protecting for example. Mind games for appearance sake or terrifying someone. I.e., I've never been more terrified of an invader before until I saw them with a minotaur helmet (the one I'm wearing) in a similar set of armor gesturing, pumping his fist high up in the air with his twin blade, and then pointing at me as if he's coming for my humanity. It's a mind screw man.

I win more 'invasions' whether on the defense, or hunting down 'sinners' as a blue invader than I lose some by the way. It's generally nerves that cost me a match more than just being out played through skill. I'm pretty cocky, but my ability to bait someone into making a mistake is pretty good.

On the bolded: ye olde Hollow Soldier Waistcloth is an anomaly though.
It's the ugliest piece of crap going around but it has decent albeit unremarkable stats, it's very light and, most importantly, has poise.

I paired it with the Black Iron chestpiece and while it looked ugly as sin, my skirt wearing thief could both tank and ninja flip.
Add a divine Glass Crest Shield, high Endurance, Green Blossom and Winged Spear to the mix and the result is quite possibly the most annoying melee fighter in existence.
Suffice to say, it looks ugly as sin lol.

(Not debating your point BTW, just musing on Dark Souls.)

[midnight tea]

People keep throwing around this term, "unrealistic" as if it's a magical end all word. Just go ahead and admit this is offensive to your taste and move on. Someone already came in and debunked that this term 'unrealistic' has no water in it. It's all based on what the developer wants. If they want massive spikey armor that wouldn't ever work because of how heavy it is, they will still have it in. If they want stripper plate in because of yolo, they will have it in.

 

Well no, that's not that simple - at least not in world the devs/storytellers want to be relatively consistent in terms of what works or doesn't work in them. Even magical or nonsensical worlds have their own, internal rules - or at least good ones do.

[TheOgre]

Well no, that's not that simple - at least not in world the devs/storytellers want to be relatively consistent in terms of what works or doesn't work in them. Even magical or nonsensical worlds have their own, internal rules - or at least good ones do.

 

If Bioware adhered to a rule or so, it either would never have had boob armor, or it would be in DA2 and DAI. Then again they are hardly consistent with character model themselves. They pick and choose on a game to game basis despite sharing the same universe.

[midnight tea]

If Bioware adhered to a rule or so, it either would never have had boob armor, or it would be in DA2 and DAI. Then again they are hardly consistent with character model themselves. They pick and choose on a game to game basis despite sharing the same universe.

 

Now you're just nitpicking - if we're going to go to such extremes that we include updated character models/graphics/design/engine in a game as sign of broken continuity, then - by such logic - majority of stories (especially those that happen over long span of time) don't have any consistency worth mentioning.

 

Rachel Dawes in "The Dark Knight" remains the very same character she was in "Batman Begins" despite being played by different actor. It's silly to conclude that the world itself is internally inconsistent because of that. This is why I don't do such things, ESPECIALLY to games, which is a young medium in which graphics are constantly improved and design is oftentimes either changed, update or experimented with - it's widely accepted.

 

As for boob armors, we've been through that - most of boob armors in DAO we see are actually leather or cloth ones; hardly any - if at all - has a problematic 'wedge' design people frequently take issue with.

[TheOgre]

Now you're just nitpicking - if we're going to go to such extremes that we include updated character models/graphics/design/engine in a game as sign of broken continuity, then - by such logic - majority of stories (especially those that happen over long span of time) don't have any consistency worth mentioning.

 

Rachel Dawes in "The Dark Knight" remains the very same character she was in "Batman Begins" despite being played by different actor. It's silly to conclude that the world itself is internally inconsistent because of that. This is why I don't do such things, ESPECIALLY to games, which is a young medium in which graphics are constantly improved and design is oftentimes either changed, update or experimented with - it's widely accepted.

 

As for boob armors, we've been through that - most of boob armors in DAO we see are actually leather or cloth ones; hardly any - if at all - has a problematic 'wedge' design people frequently take issue with.

 

So it's not an accurate criticism to point out that they cannot even keep Qunari's consistent game to game? Specific characters, I.e, Cullen, Cassandra, Anders, Leliana got changed three times along with Cullen.? 

 

I think it's silly that people are using the "realistic" term when considering Bioware's motives for creating armor. Did they come out and say "well we were trying to go for realism when designing the armor". I personally don't think they thought "well this looks practical, let's use it" when designing armor for this game too. If anything they just went with it because they felt like it. 

[TheOgre]

On the bolded: ye olde Hollow Soldier Waistcloth is an anomaly though.
It's the ugliest piece of crap going around but it has decent albeit unremarkable stats, it's very light and, most importantly, has poise.

I paired it with the Black Iron chestpiece and while it looked ugly as sin, my skirt wearing thief could both tank and ninja flip.
Add a divine Glass Crest Shield, high Endurance, Green Blossom and Winged Spear to the mix and the result is quite possibly the most annoying melee fighter in existence.
Suffice to say, it looks ugly as sin lol.

(Not debating your point BTW, just musing on Dark Souls.)

 

Some people fight me naked in the arena, without armor. Just a loincloth or prisoner's waistcloth while power stancing two giant turkey leg boulder clubs (I hear it takes 90 strength to pull that off). bravo to them because i'm scared as hell when I fight them.. One spin to win that I fail to roll away from and it's over.)

[ticoteco246]

I think it's silly that people are using the "realistic" term when considering Bioware's motives for creating armor. Did they come out and say "well we were trying to go for realism when designing the armor". I personally don't think they thought "well this looks practical, let's use it" when designing armor for this game too. If anything they just went with it because they felt like it. 

 

Actually, considering they had Bull comment on the impracticality of boob plate armour and the superiority of regular plate, I'm pretty sure "this looks practical, let's use it" is exactly what they thought when it came to the lack of boob plate armour.

[o Ventus]

 

[TheOgre]

Actually, considering they had Bull comment on the impracticality of boob plate armour and the superiority of regular plate, I'm pretty sure "this looks practical, let's use it" is exactly what they thought when it came to the lack of boob plate armour.

 

They also had Ironbull and Varric joke about how enemies just fell out of the sky in Kirkwall. That isn't a direct statement. That's like me saying Bloodborne is Demon Souls 2 just because in the beta Father G uttered the phrase Umbasa (a phrase uttered in Demon Souls 1, and not in darksouls 1 and 2) when you were defeated. Unless the directors themselves came out and said BB is Demon Souls 2, it is mere interpretation.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm not getting back into the central debate (I've already stated my thoughts there,) but WoW has a different aesthetic than DA.  Blizzard decided for reasons only known to the gods of wisdom to put heels and a sparkly dress on Tyrande and are making more of Jania's navel shown with each expansion.  

 

Okay, that's a nice picture of someone doing draenei cosplay.   Boob armor is one thing, but now we're getting into the plate bikini.  The DA team has never taken it that far before, and even if they added some sort of plate boob cup armor, I don't think they'll go to that extent.

[o Ventus]

 

Okay, that's a nice picture of someone doing draenei cosplay.

 

I agree. She can cast Lay on Hands on me any time ifyouknowwhatimean

 

Also, Tyrande has always worn sparkly white and Jaina has always had her belly button showing, dating all the way back to Warcraft 3 when those characters first appeared. Jaina's bellybutton was always visible even on her model, and Tyrande's clothing has always been described as glowing and bit a sparkly (she's the high priestess of the goddess of the moon, the one true deity in Warcraft), though you couldn't see it on her WC3 model or her old and primitive WoW model before Cataclysm.

[ticoteco246]

They also had Ironbull and Varric joke about how enemies just fell out of the sky in Kirkwall. That isn't a direct statement. That's like me saying Bloodborne is Demon Souls 2 just because in the beta Father G uttered the phrase Umbasa (a phrase uttered in Demon Souls 1, and not in darksouls 1 and 2) when you were defeated. Unless the directors themselves came out and said BB is Demon Souls 2, it is mere interpretation.

 

I think, in both of these banters, they're poking fun at both themselves and the whole idea of boob plate. I'm not entirely sure what your argument means here (no seriously, I don't get it, because a single phrase and a direct explanation of why boob plate isn't there don't really seem to equate in my mind) because in DA:I they directly say that boob plate armour is bad. There's no interpretation, a character says that boob plate armour is bad and another agrees, it honestly just seems like both an explanation of why there's no boob plate (because people often just don't know that boob plate is deadly) and a way to make fun of boob plate (although the idea of them poking fun is my own interpretation).

In any case, I honestly think boob armour is just the ugliest thing ever. That whole wedge thing? I just think it does nothing for the female figure and makes women wearing it look ridiculous in a non-sexualized way. (imo, Cassandra's armour is way sexier because of lack of boob plate)

[TheOgre]

I'm not getting back into the central debate (I've already stated my thoughts there,) but WoW has a different aesthetic than DA.  Blizzard decided for reasons only known to the gods of wisdom to put heels and a sparkly dress on Tyrande and are making more of Jania's navel shown with each expansion.  

 

Okay, that's a nice picture of someone doing draenei cosplay.   Boob armor is one thing, but now we're getting into the plate bikini.  The DA team has never taken it that far before, and even if they added some sort of plate boob cup armor, I don't think they'll go to that extent.

 

 

To their credit I guess they had a bunch of big muscular dudes showing off their skin at whatever period. One of the companions is a dude that just wears a loincloth and you cannot change it. He's a warrior and somehow makes do. As long as he kills efficiently I'm fine with it. If I could have the muscles of Garrosh, I'd pull off that shoulder skull only armor at a blizzcon.

 

I'm an ogre, if it was feasible to wear the bones of my enemies in a dragon age game, I'd totally do it. But I don't see that being acceptable as it's never been done before are chosen by the developers in the past for the series. 

[o Ventus]

One of the companions is a dude that just wears a loincloth and you cannot change it. 

 

Are you talking about Croman? I wouldn't mention him as an example, he's a joke character. An homage to Arnold Scharzenegger's Conan the Barbarian.

[Seraphim24]

 

 

 

It's all about the Korean games and LoL now honestly

 

 

 

 

I think I realized what the issue is though, people don't really mind the insanely hot thing by itself but it just seems so over-obvious and not connected to the game world or things like that which annoys people.

[TheOgre]

It's all about the Korean games and LoL now honestly

 

 

 

I think I realized what the issue is though, people don't really mind the insanely hot thing by itself but it just seems so over-obvious and not connected to the game world or things like that which annoys people.

 

To be fair that's sorcery at the bottom two links.  Bikini plate is obnoxious. that annoyed me in warcraft is if I ever played a female character.. some gear just magically became naughty, but somewhat natural as a male. Should be full on or not. The examples from DAO weren't even that obnoxious.

[Seraphim24]

To be fair that's sorcery at the bottom two links.  Bikini plate is obnoxious. that annoyed me in warcraft is if I ever played a female character.. some gear just magically became naughty, but somewhat natural as a male. Should be full on or not. The examples from DAO weren't even that obnoxious.

 

But like why does it annoy you? The reasons were always it's "unrealistic."

 

Well what if there is a character where their skin has this extreme connection to the elements, and everything that inhibits connection to that impedes his/her power?

 

I mean people freak out about these things and yet Mystique is completely naked all the time but I guess because there's kind of a "reason" for it it's ok.

[Grieving Natashina]

Off topic true story:  So, my mom was a very active raider during the EQ and earlier WoW days (from about 1999-2006.)  She was apart of the original 5% of the playerbase that actually did Sunwell when the content was still relevant.  Anyway, when she hit about MC (again, back when this was 40 man content,) she ended up getting some armor that turned her into a chainmail bikini-wearing paladin.  The catcalls were everywhere, and I was begging my mom to put on her guild tabard.  I mean, I know that was just her character but...but...that was my 50 year old mom!