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[RINNZ]

Off topic true story: So, my mom was a very active raider during the EQ and earlier WoW days (from about 1999-2006.) She was apart of the original 5% of the playerbase that actually did Sunwell when the content was still relevant. Anyway, when she hit about MC (again, back when this was 40 man content,) she ended up getting some armor that turned her into a chainmail bikini-wearing paladin. The catcalls were everywhere, and I was begging my mom to put on her guild tabard. I mean, I know that was just her character but...but...that was my 50 year old mom!

MMOs are weird, I'm telling you.

[Seraphim24]

Off topic true story:  So, my mom was a very active raider during the EQ and earlier WoW days (from about 1999-2006.)  She was apart of the original 5% of the playerbase that actually did Sunwell when the content was still relevant.  Anyway, when she hit about MC (again, back when this was 40 man content,) she ended up getting some armor that turned her into a chainmail bikini-wearing paladin.  The catcalls were everywhere, and I was begging my mom to put on her guild tabard.  I mean, I know that was just her character but...but...that was my 50 year old mom!  

 

That is kind of ew huh.

 

Off tropic true story: My dad thought Super Mario was potentially morally problematic and I had to work extremely hard to convince him it wouldn't be a bad influence for a kid my age.

[TheOgre]

Off topic true story:  So, my mom was a very active raider during the EQ and earlier WoW days (from about 1999-2006.)  She was apart of the original 5% of the playerbase that actually did Sunwell when the content was still relevant.  Anyway, when she hit about MC (again, back when this was 40 man content,) she ended up getting some armor that turned her into a chainmail bikini-wearing paladin.  The catcalls were everywhere, and I was begging my mom to put on her guild tabard.  I mean, I know that was just her character but...but...that was my 50 year old mom!  

 

I was one of those kind of raiders too. But I was 14 at the time and was homeschooled so I could afford to raid daily, grind AA points, and be that obnoxious teenager.

 

And @ Kefka

 

I'm weirded out because they just magically transform for females into the tiniest of things, but males get more coverage in those spots. Not that I want to have that showing on my character. The option -- feels nice.. I could see however why it would be obnoxious in an MMO setting now, as I played on Moon Guard and 60% of the female characters (numbers out of my arse) wore that kind of plate. It was just, everywhere. I don't imagine that being the case in DA.

[Grieving Natashina]

  Wow, I wonder what he thinks of games today.

 

I got lucky.  I grew up on video games, and my folks didn't bat an eye when I started playing D&D (I still do, when my friends can all get the time off.)  My mom can't play as much due to vertigo, but my dad plays a lot.  His Steam library is getting a little insane.  I think he had close to 200 games on it.

[RINNZ]

  Wow, I wonder what he thinks of games today.
 
I got lucky.  I grew up on video games, and my folks didn't bat an eye when I started playing D&D (I still do, when my friends can all get the time off.)  My mom can't play as much due to vertigo, but my dad plays a lot.  His Steam library is getting a little insane.  I think he had close to 200 games on it.

You're parents are GOATS as well.

[KaiserShep]

That is kind of ew huh.

 

Off tropic true story: My dad thought Super Mario was potentially morally problematic and I had to work extremely hard to convince him it wouldn't be a bad influence for a kid my age.

 

Well, what is one supposed to think when an Italian plumber invades a land of magical creatures and just slaughters the whole lot of them, all the way up to their king? 

[Panda]

Off topic true story:  So, my mom was a very active raider during the EQ and earlier WoW days (from about 1999-2006.)  She was apart of the original 5% of the playerbase that actually did Sunwell when the content was still relevant.  Anyway, when she hit about MC (again, back when this was 40 man content,) she ended up getting some armor that turned her into a chainmail bikini-wearing paladin.  The catcalls were everywhere, and I was begging my mom to put on her guild tabard.  I mean, I know that was just her character but...but...that was my 50 year old mom!  

 

It's even less fun when you are in middle school and play korean MMO's. You don't even have options to cover up.

[xkg]

As for boob armors, we've been through that - most of boob armors in DAO we see are actually leather or cloth ones; hardly any - if at all - has a problematic 'wedge' design people frequently take issue with.

 

Actually, considering they had Bull comment on the impracticality of boob plate armour and the superiority of regular plate, I'm pretty sure "this looks practical, let's use it" is exactly what they thought when it came to the lack of boob plate armour.

 

There was no superiority of regular plate. Most heavy armor in DAO were boob armors. I've already posted images of them many pages age but apparently something happened to image hosting site and they are no longer here.

I can post them again if you insist. So forget about this myth. There are like maybe 10 sets of heavy armor and most of them have boob shapes.

[ticoteco246]

There was no superiority of regular plate. Most heavy armor in DAO were boob armors. I've already posted images of them many pages age but apparently something happened to image hosting site and they are no longer here.

I can post them again if you insist. So forget about this myth. There are like maybe 10 sets of heavy armor and most of them have boob shapes.

 

Yes, it's true that DA:O had boob plate armour. I mean, I had to get creative finding armour I didn't think was ugly when playing my warrior femCousland, so there was definitely a lot of boob plate. But it's also true that boob plate is literally deadly. That's what I mean by regular plate being superior; it doesn't get you killed with one good knock to the chest like boob plate does.

[The Baconer]

There was no superiority of regular plate. Most heavy armor in DAO were boob armors. I've already posted images of them many pages age but apparently something happened to image hosting site and they are no longer here.

I can post them again if you insist. So forget about this myth. There are like maybe 10 sets of heavy armor and most of them have boob shapes.

 

All "heavy" class armors had boob-cups, because they were all derivatives of the same model. "Massive" class armors like the one in your avatar did not possess boob-cups, however. 

[Ennai and 54 others]

People keep throwing around this term, "unrealistic" as if it's a magical end all word. Just go ahead and admit this is offensive to your taste and move on. Someone already came in and debunked that this term 'unrealistic' has no water in it. It's all based on what the developer wants. If they want massive spikey armor that wouldn't ever work because of how heavy it is, they will still have it in. If they want stripper plate in because of yolo, they will have it in.

You will have to point me to this person.

Developers tend to add in crap armor because they believe that the quality of the game world won't suffer if they exercise *complete* liberty in terms of aesthetics ,they are wrong.


Boob plate is the equivalent of a minor plot hole(in the popular sense of the word).People begin asking important questions like "If this warrior is so serious and competent,wouldn't they know how useless and dangerous this armor is?"

When people say they want realism they are really saying they want the setting to be coherent and therefore immersive.

1:a sword is a piece of metal with sharp edges meant for cutting,not smashing.Swords that are too large are useless,therefore they shouldn't be brandished by competent warriors unless it is established that the material is lighter than steel,even then,it would be better to keep it small for better speed.

2:Armors that don't protect shouldn't be worn by people who are fighting hordes of soldiers and travelling through extremely harsh terrain.Armor that exposes vital organs is horrible armor.Armor that has a glaring flaw that could kill you should never be worn by competent warriors.

The rules need to make sense and add to the quality of the game.

If the main character cares more about how she looks than about stopping a Haakai from burning her country to ash then perhaps boob plate is for her,but she will need to be aware of the disadvantages as well ,ridicule from her peers and certain death.

[Panda]

Personally I'm glad that DAO's boob plates haven't done comeback, since they were horrendous looking. It was joy when you finally got enough strenght rating to buy massive armor that actually looked good and badass.

 

I guess it's depend on taste though, some seem to really enjoy those tin cans although it's not sth I can't understand.

[TheOgre]

Personally I'm glad that DAO's boob plates haven't done comeback, since they were horrendous looking. It was joy when you finally got enough strenght rating to buy massive armor that actually looked good and badass.

I guess it's depend on taste though, some seem to really enjoy those tin cans although it's not sth I can't understand.

Da2 had some decent armor designs. Can't say the same for DAI *For me*

[Panda]

Da2 had some decent armor designs. Can't say the same for DAI *For me*

 

I like DAI's armors overall, but I think there wasn't enough options for Inquisitors, there was mostly couple models that were recycled and that could be little modified with tinting and changing arms and legs, but there wasn't much unique armors nor variety compared to DA2 (and DAO).

[kimgoold]

I'm no expert but the armour in DAI is not a good example of armor, the armour is minimal and most of the bodies weak points are uncovered. If instead they had opted for a realistic armour like those worn in medieval europe it would have been better, and as for those saying having breasts on breastplates is ridiculous, ancient roman armour had masculine features, and this is a fantasy game so why not? We have Isabela going into battle in a mini dress and hanky for pity sake.

[Ennai and 54 others]

I'm no expert but the armour in DAI is not a good example of armor, the armour is minimal and most of the bodies weak points are uncovered. If instead they had opted for a realistic armour like those worn in medieval europe it would have been better, and as for those saying having breasts on breastplates is ridiculous, ancient roman armour had masculine features, and this is a fantasy game so why not? We have Isabela going into battle in a mini dress and hanky for pity sake.

1:DAI still doesn't have boob plate armor,which is to its credit.

2:I'm pretty sure others have mentioned the major flaw inherent in boob plate armor.

3:We are talking specifically here about plate armor,Isabela doesn't wear it (however this doesn't mean all other kinds of unrealistic armor are permissable).

4:Even fantasy games must be coherent.It's true that there is more creative freedom in the fantasy genre,but logic still applies.

[Panda]

Well Isabela is rogue that doesn't really even wear any armor, she wears long shirt. I think it's quite fitting though taking accord that she's squishy rogue that can't take much dmg and her personality too. Same with Varric though not as exeggarated, he doesn't have that much armor on his DA2 outfit either.

[Joseph Warrick]

Cassandra's default outfit is cool. It's not a male armor and it looks cool at the same time. http://i.imgur.com/xBoVmeQ.jpg

My only worry with this topic in general is that developers might tackle the inadequacy of boob plate by neglecting females, defaulting to male designs and making no female version at all. That didn't happen in Inquisition so that's cool. Let's hope ME4 keeps up.

[PhroXenGold]

I like DAI's armors overall, but I think there wasn't enough options for Inquisitors, there was mostly couple models that were recycled and that could be little modified with tinting and changing arms and legs, but there wasn't much unique armors nor variety compared to DA2 (and DAO).

 

Yeah, this is my issue with the DA:I armours. I really like what there is, but there needs to be more variety.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And that was to their credit.Many would say dragon age is better off for it and that removing unrealistic boob plate is a good thing.Adding a new rule (new constraint)can improve a game as well.

Now all they need now is to downsize the weapons.Things made of metal don't need to be very big to cause significant damage.

Such armor still exists in the lore and rules of the franchise. If it didn't, the hypocritical The Iron Bull couldn't say the line. So since it exists in the lore, there is no good reason it shouldn't be an option. 

[Ennai and 54 others]

So if the change is something you don't personally like, it is dentrimental but if the change is something you do like, it is creditable. You're operating on double standards, got it.

No ,you haven't got it.

I'm operating on one standard.Changes that I like are creditable,changes that I don't like are detrimental.That's one standard.Lol.

This is largely because a necessary condition for me to not like a change is if it causes a logical inconsistency in the plot.

Regardless, such armor still exists in the lore. If it didn't, the hypocritical The Iron Bull couldn't say the line. So since it exists in the lore, there is no good reason it shouldn't be an option.

The iron bull actually gave us a reason it shouldn't be an option lol.Because it is a danger to the wearer.

The Iron bull wears impractical armor partially because of those qunari tattoo things (I forget the name)and partially because bioware is inconsistent.It would have been best if the bull simply wore leather or chainmail .

[Tyloric]

Reading through this thread is a treat.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The iron bull actually gave us a reason it shouldn't be an option lol.Because it is a danger to the wearer.

The Iron bull wears impractical armor partially because of those qunari tattoo things (I forget the name)and partially because bioware is inconsistent.It would have been best if the bull simply wore leather or chainmail .

It's less of a danger than going into battle literally topless. If they wanted to make that joke, fine. But having the person with the least practical armor in the history of Dragon Age say it is stupid. 

 

He doesn't always have Vitaar painted on him. His canon armor doesn't have it. So he has no defense whatsoever. If that's acceptable to the Bioware team, it should be an option for the player. And compared to what he wears, the boobplate armors are very practical. 

 

Also, in truth no armor in Dragon Age is realistic. If the armor was realistic, the person wearing it should be killed the first time they are hit by magic since: if hit by fire, the armor would cook them alive; if hit by cold, the armor should freeze onto them and give them lethal frostbite; and if hit by lightning, they should literally explode by their armor serving as a lightning rod and directing the full current straight into them. Now you could argue enchantments to counter that, but if enchantments can counter that they can counter the weaknesses of the boobplate armor.