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[Ennai and 54 others]

That's assuming the armor protects for the same reasons as in our world and not, let's say, due to magical enchantments on it that add protection and damage reduction to the whole body equally, both the covered and the non-covered parts, simply by wearing it.

Sure.A fantasy author can create rules of magic that make it possible to be minimally covered and yet still protected from damage.So minimal armor is permissable under certain conditions.A shaman or witch of the wilds could go to battle naked,wearing only trinkets and tattoos.


Boob plate however has its own set of problems,one of which are that breasts,soft as they are,can still serve as an impediment to arm movement directly in front of the chest (where the weapon and shield would be).This is why its best to press them inward to free up movement.

If you make boob plate it would greatly impede the movement of the wearer.You would be hard pressed to find an enchantment that prevents this.

[midnight tea]

No matter what armor is used, it wouldn't be able to survive the force of a direct hit from a dragon. That's be like running over a can of meat with a truck. No matter what they do, the person is going to be squished to a paste. And yet the game, both gameplay and lore, treats it as something someone can get up from. So where is the realism in that? Really with that in mind, such material already exists if people can survive forces like that. So then where is the problem?

 

I'm sorry, but why - out of a sudden - you're talking about Thedas as if it was entirely realistic, even though only a comment earlier you were talking about writers just inventing a force-absorbing material out of the blue to alleviate the inherent design flaw of boobplates? 

 

THE PROBLEM that you seem to ignore is it that Thedas has its own set of established rules, that blends realistic physics with a limited amount of magical/supernatural elements. Magical barriers, wards and special materials help to dampen the impact from the dragon, for example, but they don't lift enough of laws of physics to also save the wearer of ridiculous armor, ESPECIALLY if - at the same time - they have to protect themselves from impact of a dragon.

 

It's really easy to understand, or at least - it should be.

 

 

In your example, you argued that someone couldn't survive the force of an arrow to the chest if wearing boobplate armor but could survive a "direct hit from a dragon the size of a house" if wearing regular armor. If the former isn't realistic, the latter definitely isn't realistic.

 

That is actually Iron Bull's example, taken directly from the game.

 

Also - you realize that a focused strike with an arrow has a STRONGER, albeit more localized, impact on the area it hits? In fact, ARROWS (or more specifically: longbows they were fired from) were the reason why medieval armies eventually got rid of ridiculously overweight heavy plates (read who and why won battle of Crécy).

[Seraphim24]

Honestly why can't someone just be a reverse vampire? So, exposure of their skin to sunlight is empowering (not degenerating).

 

In that context, we would be crying foul that they were wearing so much armor as unrealistic. (as it weakens their practical realistic chances of victory)

[midnight tea]

Nobody's getting off to boobplate. 

 

If such was the case, there wouldn't be such a demand form some to see its return - nor we'd see thousands upon thousands of 'boobplate and steel thongs' mods in games like Skyrim (usually those mods require some voluptuous body mods as well), or sexy pinup heroines in boobplate armors all around the Interwebs.

[midnight tea]

Honestly why can't someone just be a reverse vampire? So, exposure of their skin to sunlight is empowering (not degenerating).

 

Isn't Superman technically such "reverese vampire"?

[Ennai and 54 others]

No one bats an eye at the AVVAR for being so impractical, or the Qunari as the cultural excuse is thrown around. You'd think one female out of all the women in a human/elf/dwarf culture would request that kind of armor. Out of all of them, ONE person thought hey I want this armor to be crafted for MY taste.

Every time I hear the word impractical now I'm just going to think of this thread and eyeroll.




>.> I actually chuckled.

Wearing nothing is probably better than wearing boob plate considering the glaring flaws with the armor.

There is the severe impediment of movement and the risk of getting your chest crushed in if you fall forward.Its not just impractical,its dangerous.

[Seraphim24]

Isn't Superman technically such "reverese vampire"?

 

I don't think Superman is a vampire, reverse or otherwise, no, the horrible sense of fashion doesn't interfere with his invulnerability AFAIK.

[midnight tea]

I don't think Superman is a vampire, reverse or otherwise, no, the horrible sense of fashion doesn't interfere with his invulnerability AFAIK.

 

I don't mean he's a vampire, but he is definitely empowered by Earth's sun.

[Seraphim24]

I don't mean he's a vampire, but he is definitely empowered by Earth's sun.

 

Well lets just say someone's skin was hypersensitive to a degree that sunrays limited by any degree of clothing diminished their power by 75%, like even that much. So consequently, in order to be effective in battle they just don't wear as much, it would be unrealistic and illogical for them to wear heavy plate.

[Joseph Warrick]

I'm in the same boat. Don't like boobplate, wouldn't use it. Don't see the harm in other players having the option to use it if that's what they like. It doesn't affect me or my game. 

 

Yes it does. NPCs wear it. You get it from loot. It might be the best set statswise.

 

We're not talking about mods but about vanilla props. I don't like a mod, I don't download it. But the game I'm stuck with. And I have to endure substandard designs because some players can't simply masturbate to pornography whenever they feel like - no, they feel entitled to be sexually aroused at all times by every piece of entertainment they consume.

[midnight tea]

Well lets just say someone's skin was hypersensitive to a degree that sunrays limited by any degree of clothing diminished their power by 75%, like even that much. So consequently, in order to be effective in battle they just don't wear as much, it would be unrealistic and illogical for them to wear heavy plate.

 

Well yeah, in that case it would be more logical for them to either wear nothing... but how does this have anything to do with what we're discussing here?

[Ennai and 54 others]

Honestly why can't someone just be a reverse vampire? So, exposure of their skin to sunlight is empowering (not degenerating).

In that context, we would be crying foul that they were wearing so much armor as unrealistic. (as it weakens their practical realistic chances of victory)

As long as the rules are consistent with logic you can do anything you want .

Putting full armor (including helmet)on a reverse vampire would be unrealistic but almost every other fantasy character is NOT a reverse vampire so what's your point?

[Seraphim24]

Well yeah, in that case it would be more logical for them to either wear nothing... but how does this have anything to do with what we're discussing here?

 

It's not absolutely true that being relatively unclothed is a breach of internal consistency, that's all, or

 

As long as the rules are consistent with logic you can do anything you want,and yes,putting full armor (including helmet)on a reverse vampire would be unrealistic.

[midnight tea]

It's not absolutely true that being relatively unclothed is a breach of internal consistency, that's all, or

 

I don't think anybody here argued that "being relatively unclothed" always breaches internal consistency - but considering that it's merely a theoretical consistency of a world that is entirely unrelated to Dragonage I still don't get why you're bringing this up.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm sorry, but why - out of a sudden - you're talking about Thedas as if it was entirely realistic, even though only a comment earlier you were talking about writers just inventing a force-absorbing material out of the blue to alleviate the inherent design flaw of boobplates? 

 

THE PROBLEM that you seem to ignore is it that Thedas has its own set of established rules, that blends realistic physics with a limited amount of magical/supernatural elements. Magical barriers, wards and special materials help to dampen the impact from the dragon, for example, but they don't lift enough of laws of physics to also save the wearer of ridiculous armor, ESPECIALLY if - at the same time - they have to protect themselves from impact of a dragon.

 

It's really easy to understand, or at least - it should be.

You're using the realism argument, so let's talk realism. 

 

And yet they have paint that stops damage. Having boobplate is lifting more laws of physics than paint as armor? 

 

That is actually Iron Bull's example, taken directly from the game.

 

Also - you realize that a focused strike with an arrow has a STRONGER, albeit more localized, impact on the area it hits? In fact, ARROWS (or more specifically: longbows they were fired from) were the reason why medieval armies eventually got rid of ridiculously overweight heavy plates (read who and why won battle of Crécy).

I know. The part you argued was how someone can survive being hit by a dragon. 

 

Yes, I am aware how physics work. However the force of an arrow on a point is laughably less than the force a dragon attack would exert. But don't take my word for it, let's look at the numbers. 

For starters, let's look at the medieval arrows. These things hit with about 60-80 pounds per square inch, directed at a point. Now let's say a dragon bites down on a person, which happens in the game. To use a comparison, let's use the bite force of a Tyrannosaurus Rex since their jaws have many similarities to the DAI's dragons both in size and structure. A T-Rex had a bite force of around 12,800 pounds per square inch, and with the teeth that's also directed to a point. 

 

So you're saying that someone wearing boobplate couldn't survive the force of an arrow but someone wearing regular armor could survive a dragon bite? 

[Seraphim24]

I don't think anybody here argued that "being relatively unclothed" always breaches internal consistency - but considering that it's merely a theoretical consistency of a world that is entirely unrelated to Dragonage I still don't get why you're bringing this up.

 

I don't think it's inconsistent in Dragon Age either, as Hanako was saying dodging Dragon Fire and bites requires agility.

 

Wearing heavy plate in Demon Souls against Flamelurker was a terrible idea, it was much better to be able to dodge.

 

Not to mention Paladins and so on have incantations that might be easier to cast without armor. It's not really much of a stretch to me. Honestly I don't even know how valuable armor was in the middle ages in reality when it was actually used.

The amount of energy you could gain from absorption of sunlight through the surface of the skin would not be sufficient to gain any significant combat advantage.

 

Well not normally, but those are the rules you could create.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sure.A fantasy author can create rules of magic that make it possible to be minimally covered and yet still protected from damage.So minimal armor is permissable under certain conditions.A shaman or witch of the wilds could go to battle naked,wearing only trinkets and tattoos.


Boob plate however has its own set of problems,one of which are that breasts,soft as they are,can still serve as an impediment to arm movement directly in front of the chest (where the weapon and shield would be).This is why its best to press them inward to free up movement.

If you make boob plate it would greatly impede the movement of the wearer.You would be hard pressed to find an enchantment that prevents this.

And yet the unrealistic pauldrons that would limit arm movement even more are allowed to be used? 

[TevinterSupremacist]

If you make boob plate it would greatly impede the movement of the wearer.You would be hard pressed to find an enchantment that prevents this.

You're basing this on what? Knowing the rules of magic in every possible fictional world?

[Ennai and 54 others]

You're basing this on what? Knowing the rules of magic in every possible fictional world?

I will give you the opportunity to make the attempt at coming up with a rule of magic that solves this.

[Ennai and 54 others]

And yet the unrealistic pauldrons that would limit arm movement even more are allowed to be used?

No,because they are unrealistic (violate the internal consistency of the world),as you just said.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No,because they are unrealistic (violate the internal consistency of the world),as you just said.

So why aren't you talking about how they should be removed too? Or the paint that serves as heavy armor? Or everything else that isn't realistic? 

[The Baconer]

Honestly why can't someone just be a reverse vampire? So, exposure of their skin to sunlight is empowering (not degenerating).

 

In that context, we would be crying foul that they were wearing so much armor as unrealistic. (as it weakens their practical realistic chances of victory)

 

Why can't I just play as a cuttlefish.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why can't I just play as a cuttlefish.

Choose Control in Mass Effect 3 and you are. 

[Ennai and 54 others]

So why aren't you talking about how they should be removed too? Or the paint that serves as heavy armor? Or everything else that isn't realistic?

I'm pretty sure people have discussed how ridiculous the pouldrons are and how armor looks rubbery in dragon age.

If the rules allow for Vitaar to exist then(as long as they are applied consistently) why shouldn't they?

Vitaar can't be worn by non qunari and it seems that saar-qamek is poisonous only to non-qunari.It's clearly been established that qunari have been genetically engineered in someway(like witchers).So Vitaar are an extention of that.

I actually like the idea behind vitaar,it shows that a great deal more can be done with alchemy in fantasy worlds than just potions,bombs and poisons.

Look at the witcher series for a nice example of alchemy put to creative use.There is this trailer where geralt poisons his own blood before he fights a high vampire.This is because he is mutated to withstand toxic brews that could kill a human instantly.