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[Ennai and 54 others]

So why aren't you talking about how they should be removed too? Or the paint that serves as heavy armor? Or everything else that isn't realistic?

That's because the topic of conversation today is boob plate.

Alchemy(as well as magic) is another element in fantasy that can be used creatively.The qunari have fiddled quite a bit with genetic engineering since they arrived in thedas.Now chemicals that are poisonous to others are beneficial to them.

Interestingly enough the conflict between the qunari and tevinter is also a war between alchemy and magic(to an extent). One side uses bombs,poisons ,nerve gas and mutagens on a large scale while the other uses spells.It will be an entertaining war.

[TheOgre]

I'm pretty sure people have discussed how ridiculous the pouldrons are and how armor looks rubbery in dragon age.

If the rules allow for Vitaar to exist then(as long as they are applied consistently) why shouldn't they?

Vitaar can't be worn by non qunari and it seems that saar-qamek is poisonous only to non-qunari.It's clearly been established that qunari have been genetically engineered in someway(like witchers).So Vitaar are an extention of that.

I actually like the idea behind vitaar,it shows that a great deal more can be done with alchemy in fantasy worlds than just potions,bombs and poisons.

Look at the witcher series for a nice example of alchemy put to creative use.There is this trailer where geralt poisons his own blood before he fights a high vampire.This is because he is mutated to withstand toxic brews that could kill a human instantly.

 

I have to ask, rule.. What do you mean by rule? Was there ever a rule that Bioware declared personally 'breast' armor is not allowed?

 

Or is this an arbitrary rule by which people like yourself, Panda, and some other people 'established' and expect Bioware to honor/adhere too?

[Ennai and 54 others]

I have to ask, rule.. What do you mean by rule? Was there ever a rule that Bioware declared personally 'breast' armor is not allowed?

Or is this an arbitrary rule by which people like yourself, Panda, and some other people 'established' and expect Bioware to honor/adhere too?

The identity of "armor" depends on its functionality,its ability to protect.Unless the author establishes that armor doesn't work like armor its best to assume the intention is for the metal exoskeleton to deflect enemy blows.lol.

Its best to also assume that ,in thedas, metal is a solid material.

If we make these uncontroversial assumptions then boob plate doesn't work as armor since it is a significant danger and impediment to the user. Bioware seems to agree,considering Iron Bulls comments on "ornamental" armor being used in battle.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This is ignoring the fact that there is an option for it(but only if you play a Dalish Elf), so by the rules and constraints it is allowed in the lore and works just as well as regular armor. 

 

So if Bioware was fine with making it an option for them, why not the other races? 

[Ennai and 54 others]

This is ignoring the fact that there is an option for it(but only if you play a Dalish Elf), so by the rules and constraints it is allowed in the lore and works just as well as regular armor.


So if Bioware was fine with making it an option for them, why not the other races?

Remind me,is that plate armor?

[Grieving Natashina]

Remind me,is that supposed to be plate armor?

The last one is made of plate, yes.  Amusingly enough, the mage and rogue armor cover more than the heavy armor.  I do have the Keeper's Robes (the light armor,) but I never wear it.

[SardaukarElite]

The last one is made of plate, yes.  Amusingly enough, the mage and rogue armor cover more than the heavy armor.  I do have the Keeper's Robes (the light armor,) but I never wear it.

 

None of those sets make a lot of sense.

 

I mean is it a leaf, is it metal? We just don't know.

[Ennai and 54 others]

The last one is made of plate, yes. Amusingly enough, the mage and rogue armor cover more than the heavy armor. I do have the Keeper's Robes (the light armor,) but I never wear it.

Oh,I didn't see the last one.sigh.Bioware is inconsistent as always.On one hand the writers make a negative comment about boob plate,on the other hand the artists create an incredibly dangerous suit of armor,which leaves the chest exposed and creates an obvious weak point between each breast.And why would an elf need boob plate anyway!?

It's like different departments do their own thing without talking to eachother.

Note that since iron bull made the comment about boob plate,lore also tells us that boob plate is worthy of ridicule.Also this thread is moot now,DAI already has a boob plate option.

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh,I didn't see the last one.sigh.Bioware is inconsistent as always.On one hand the writers make a negative comment about boob plate,on the other hand the artists create an incredibly dangerous suit of armor,which leaves the chest exposed and creates an obvious weak point between each breast.And why would an elf need boob plate anyway!?

It's like different departments do their own thing without talking to eachother.

Note that since iron bull made the comment about boob plate,lore also tells us that boob plate is worthy of ridicule.Also this thread is moot now,DAI already has a boob plate option.

<shrug>  I think they were making concessions for the Dalish lore.  I agree that it is inconsistent though.   

 

The thread isn't moot.  The armor is only available for the Dalish PC, and I know others want the choice.  Me, I'm indifferent at this point.  The DA team is going to do what it wants either way.  So if folks feel like asking for more options like the Keeper's armor, I don't care.  So long as they keep it optional and don't put it on all of the NPC ladies, I'm good. 

[Ennai and 54 others]

<shrug> I think they were making concessions for the Dalish lore. I agree that it is inconsistent though.

The thread isn't moot. The armor is only available for the Dalish PC, and I know others want the choice. Me, I'm indifferent at this point. The DA team is going to do what it wants either way. So if folks feel like asking for more options like the Keeper's armor, I don't care. So long as they keep it optional and don't put it on all of the NPC ladies, I'm good.

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[Panda]

I have to ask, rule.. What do you mean by rule? Was there ever a rule that Bioware declared personally 'breast' armor is not allowed?

 

Or is this an arbitrary rule by which people like yourself, Panda, and some other people 'established' and expect Bioware to honor/adhere too?

 

With not having boob plates on DA2 and DAI and having Iron Bull saying line about how unpractical and dangerous boob plates are seemed like DA team has taken step away from boob plates.

 

On what Hana just posted, I'm not sure what material heavy armor there is supposed to be. I don't think it's that close to boob plate, it looks like leather dress with some metal pieces. Mage armor seems to have boob plate and much more metal than heavy armor which is weird, it's like those armors are switched around. I think it's borderline boob plate, I don't mind it much since it's part of rest of armor though that seem to be modeled hugging body (green plate part). I wonder how this armor looks with male elf, is it very different or not.

[SnakeCode]

The lore isn't inconsistent. The fact that Iron Bull berates people who wear boobplate shows that there is, in fact, boob plate in the DA world and there are people that wear it. The real inconsistency is that we don't see more of it.

[SardaukarElite]

The lore isn't inconsistent. The fact that Iron Bull berates people who wear boobplate shows that there is, in fact, boob plate in the DA world and there are people that wear it. The real inconsistency isthat we don't see more of it.

 

Or he's breaking the fourth wall, which I'm not fond of but BioWare is.

[Grieving Natashina]

Let me put it this way.  You guys can have your more cleavage exposing armor as long as I can keep styles like this too:

 

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I know most of the regulars in the thread posting in favor of this would be fine with it.  Any other company I'd be afraid of a slippery slope into full-blown silliness.  

 

As far as Iron Bull's comments, you guys can tweet his author.  If you're nice, you're likely to get a reply back.  They might give a reason for it, and we shouldn't be prepared to dismiss it.  Also, if you guys feel strongly enough about this, you should probably toss Mike Laidlaw or Patrick Weekes a tweet with the thread link.  That helps get exposure for the thread.  Twitter seems like the best way to make sure the devs are listening.  _{Which is a problem in and of itself, but that's a rant for a later day.}

 

_{Edit: I know I keep posting pics of my Lavellan around, but I'm very happy with how she turned out.  My first elven character that doesn't look uncanny and awful.}  

[SnakeCode]

Or he's breaking the fourth wall, which I'm not fond of but BioWare is.

 

It's likely a case of both. I'm well aware that the whole banter is a case of Bioware congratulating themselves on how progressive they are. It wouldn't be the first time.

[SardaukarElite]

It's likely a case of both. I'm well aware that the whole banter is a case of Bioware congratulating themselves on how progressive they are. It wouldn't be the first time.

 

Well I wouldn't say that it's both in that I don't think the banter was supposed to be telling us that somewhere out there is a particularly stupid group of warrior women. The point was entirely to make a kinda smug, not funny joke. But I guess that is part of the lore now, and not inconsistent with DA's generally slightly wacky armour designs so... I guess the end result is the same.

[TevinterSupremacist]

I will give you the opportunity to make the attempt at coming up with a rule of magic that solves this.

I don't need the opportunity to prove there is a possibility some form of potentially omnipotent, reality-wrapping, fictional magic power can achieve x, no matter what x is. It's right there in the definition of magic.

It can.

Because magic.

Axiomatically.

[Ennai and 54 others]

I don't need the opportunity to prove there is a possibility some form of potentially omnipotent, reality-wrapping, fictional magic power can achieve x, no matter what x is. It's right there in the definition of magic.

It can.

Because magic.

Axiomatically.

In some fictions magic has limitations,in a few rare fictions it does not.In the case of the former,you would still find it difficult to find a rule (that is applied consistently) which makes boob plate practical and safe.

 

You could,however, make it so that metal is really flexible,like leather.

[TevinterSupremacist]

In some fictions magic has limitations

 

In some. In others not. And just because some limitations exist, it doesn't mean these limitations happen to be ones that would inhibit boobplate-related echantments. Making metal flexible, or even skintight is one possibility, more could exist. Saying boobplate is always a plot/lorehole in worlds with magic is just wrong though. And given fictional works don't usually come with a complete rulebook detailing every possible magic, when you see boobplate in a fictional world doing anything other than assuming boobplate-accomodating magic exists in said world makes no sense.

[yawnandshrug]

I'm really confused, can someone enlighten me. How is it that we laugh at boobplate and chainmail bikinis but readily accept Iron Bull running into battle half naked? Or Varric's chest hair. Or Dorian's left armpit (this one especially bugs me for some reason)? 

 

Maybe I'm too much a fan of the Dark Souls aesthetic with all their massive ornate armors, but everyone, Cassandra included, looks under armoured to me. Warfare in DA is contained within mostly medieval trappings but alot of the armor looks rather early modern where gunpowder was prompting a move towards lighter armor which frankly doesn't make sense within DA's scope.

[TevinterSupremacist]

I'm really confused, can someone enlighten me. How is it that we laugh at boobplate and chainmail bikinis but readily accept Iron Bull running into battle half naked? Or Varric's chest hair. Or Dorian's left armpit (this one especially bugs me for some reason)? 

It could be there are many different people with different views on each of those things and not one homogenous group.

[yawnandshrug]

You do realize that it was a rhetorical question meant to highlight the irony of the situation.

[midnight tea]

I'm really confused, can someone enlighten me. How is it that we laugh at boobplate and chainmail bikinis but readily accept Iron Bull running into battle half naked? Or Varric's chest hair. Or Dorian's left armpit (this one especially bugs me for some reason)? 

 

Maybe I'm too much a fan of the Dark Souls aesthetic with all their massive ornate armors, but everyone, Cassandra included, looks under armoured to me. Warfare in DA is contained within mostly medieval trappings but alot of the armor looks rather early modern where gunpowder was prompting a move towards lighter armor which frankly doesn't make sense within DA's scope.

 

Varric's chest hair is a running joke (and all his other armors except for basic ones have sturdy chestplates) and Iron Bull being half-naked has been pointed out as ridiculous by characters in the game itself. IB simply doesn't care for maximum protection or effectiveness - he's just that badass (plus, he collects scars). Plus, don't forget that he tells Blackwall that he likes dawnstone blades. It doesn't matter that they're brittle - for him it matters that it's pretty.

 

So no points for you, good sir.

 

Also - gunpowder didn't prompt moving to lighter armor. As I mentioned somewhere earlier - LONGBOWS did.

[TevinterSupremacist]

You do realize that it was a rhetorical question meant to highlight the irony of the situation.

It fails to come across as such, if too many people hold that opinion earnestly. Which they do.

[eyezonlyii]

I'm still categorically against boob plate because I think it looks stupid (why should someone care about sex appeal on a battlefield?) But now, I'm just like whatever. You want to have a nip slip while swinging an ax, more power to you, so long as if you get boob plate, I get a qunari only outfit.

Also how dare anyone criticize Dorian's off-the-shoulder asymmetrical ensemble? He's red carpet ready!