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[The Baconer]

The last one is made of plate, yes.  Amusingly enough, the mage and rogue armor cover more than the heavy armor. 

 

Exactly why it looks stupid. I'd be fine not seeing that model return.

[Han Shot First]

I'm still categorically against boob plate because I think it looks stupid (why should someone care about sex appeal on a battlefield?

 

Actually some of the ancients did, although it was male rather than female. The muscle cuirass was imitating the nude statues of Greek gods, athletes, or heroes.

 

Over the millenia there have been plenty of real world armor designs that included different features that served no purpose beyond making the wearer look more impressive. The muscle cuirass would be the closest real world equivalent to 'boob armor' but it wasn't the only armor design to include features that were purely cosmetic. Here is another example:

 

 

The helmet worn by the Gallic cavalryman is based on archaeological finds.

[yawnandshrug]

Varric's chest hair is a running joke (and all his other armors except for basic ones have sturdy chestplates) and Iron Bull being half-naked has been pointed out as ridiculous by characters in the game itself. IB simply doesn't care for maximum protection or effectiveness - he's just that badass (plus, he collects scars). Plus, don't forget that he tells Blackwall that he likes dawnstone blades. It doesn't matter that they're brittle - for him it matters that it's pretty.

 

So no points for you, good sir.

 

Also - gunpowder didn't prompt moving to lighter armor. As I mentioned somewhere earlier - LONGBOWS did.

 

So if we include boobplate/chainmail bikini and then a conversation lampshading how silly it is does that make it acceptable?

 

 

Also how dare anyone criticize Dorian's off-the-shoulder asymmetrical ensemble? He's red carpet ready!

 

Must resist making arrow to armpit joke.

[eyezonlyii]

Actually some of the ancients did, although it was male rather than female. The muscle cuirass was imitating the nude statues of Greek gods, athletes, or heroes.
 
Over the millenia there have been plenty of real world armor designs that included different features that served no purpose beyond making the wearer look more impressive. The muscle cuirass would be the closest real world equivalent to 'boob armor' but it wasn't the only armor design to include features that were purely cosmetic. Here is another example:
 

 
The helmet worn by the Gallic cavalryman is based on archaeological finds.

Similar sure, but there is a difference. The male versions were Bout being impressive/powerful/intimidating. They were supposed to inspire awe, fear and respect through their display. However "boob armor" is NOT about intimidation, rather a lesser form of titillation. Not saying women can't be powerful, it must be covered up at all times, but I would suggest the "eye" of the aesthetic is what is the defining factor. Take athletic outfits for female athletes. They are more femininely shaped, yet still fulfill their function of protection or covering while allowing for ease of movement and looking (subjectively of course) pleasing for that sport. "Boob" armor doesn't really do that in most cases.
Though I'll take boob armor over bikini mail any day.

[midnight tea]

So if we include boobplate/chainmail bikini and then a conversation lampshading how silly it is does that make it acceptable?

 

Iron Bull's armor choice was acceptable for a qunari. They have natural resistance to damage, remember? Also, his default harness still offers more protection than chainmail bikini and is less dangerous than boobplate.

[TheOgre]

Iron Bull's armor choice was acceptable for a qunari. They have natural resistance to damage, remember? Also, his default harness still offers more protection than chainmail bikini and is less dangerous than boobplate.

Yet qunari warrior inquisitor couldn't get away with it because they grew up as a child outside the qun?

[midnight tea]

Yet qunari warrior inquisitor couldn't get away with it because they grew up as a child outside the qun?

 

Yes. Just like Sera can't/doesn't want to wear elven armor, because she wasn't trained to use one.

 

And Iron Bull is Ben Hassarath - he's specifically trained to withstand many things, from interrogation to pain and damage (add to that the fact that he's a trained Reaver and been so for years). Remember qunari training exercise where you basically hit him with stick repeatedly?

[TheOgre]

Yes. Just like Sera can't/doesn't want to wear elven armor, because she wasn't trained to use one.

And Iron Bull is Ben Hassarath - he's specifically trained to withstand many things, from interrogation to pain and damage (add to that the fact that he's a trained Reaver and been so for years). Remember qunari training exercise where you basically hit him with stick repeatedly?

Then why couldn't female warriors get away with less armor under the justification that they "can train for it" next game :0 if you can get away with showing as much skin as Bull or the qunari.. A life time training of stick beatings can make you a fine warrior of light plate armor. :0

[SnakeCode]

Iron Bull's attire is acceptable because he's a Qunari, different culture yadda yadda. Yet we see a huge outcry over the way Rassan is dressed, who also happens to be a scantily clad Qunari. Only female. Odd that.

[TheOgre]

Iron Bull's attire is acceptable because he's a Qunari, different culture yadda yadda. Yet we see a huge outcry over the way Rassan is dressed, who also happens to be a scantily clad Qunari. Only female. Odd that.

Women aren't allowed to show their skin don't you know? Not intimidating enough!

[yawnandshrug]

Yes. Just like Sera can't/doesn't want to wear elven armor, because she wasn't trained to use one.

 

And Iron Bull is Ben Hassarath - he's specifically trained to withstand many things, from interrogation to pain and damage (add to that the fact that he's a trained Reaver and been so for years). Remember qunari training exercise where you basically hit him with stick repeatedly?

 

I think being hit with a training stick and being hit with an actual edged weapon are two different cans of worms. I don't care how much muscle you have, being whacked with an axe will hurt you badly.

[midnight tea]

Iron Bull's attire is acceptable because he's a Qunari, different culture yadda yadda. Yet we see a huge outcry over the way Rassan is dressed, who also happens to be a scantily clad Qunari. Only female. Odd that.

 

Was I the one who did the complaining?

[midnight tea]

I think being hit with a training stick and being hit with an actual edged weapon are two different cans of worms. I don't care how much muscle you have, being whacked with an axe will hurt you badly.

 

A stick was just an example, jeez - you people are so literal sometimes. I'm also pretty sure Iron Bull has his scars out of being beaten with a stick only.

[SnakeCode]

Was I the one who did the complaining?

Didn't say that you did. It isn't the first time the different culture excuse has been used to justify Iron Bull's nakedness in this thread.

[Han Shot First]

Similar sure, but there is a difference. The male versions were Bout being impressive/powerful/intimidating. They were supposed to inspire awe, fear and respect through their display. However "boob armor" is NOT about intimidation, rather a lesser form of titillation. Not saying women can't be powerful, it must be covered up at all times, but I would suggest the "eye" of the aesthetic is what is the defining factor. Take athletic outfits for female athletes. They are more femininely shaped, yet still fulfill their function of protection or covering while allowing for ease of movement and looking (subjectively of course) pleasing for that sport. "Boob" armor doesn't really do that in most cases.
Though I'll take boob armor over bikini mail any day.

 

Actually thats not entirely true. It is perhaps for that Gallic helmet, but not for the muscle cuirass. The muscle cuirass wasn't just about being 'powerful' or 'intimidating,' it was also to make the wearer match the Greek ideal of male beauty. We tend to think of sexualization as something that occurs with women in our modern culture, but the ancients often sexualized men as well as women.

[midnight tea]

Didn't say that you did. It isn't the first time the different culture excuse has been used to justify Iron Bull's nakedness in this thread.

 

How is it an excuse? It is a perfectly valid reason, especially that it has been established in the game that Iron Bull has it drilled in his mind that qunari warriors only wear full armor when they go on actual war.

[Han Shot First]

Speaking of the Iron Bull...

 

I wouldn't have an issue with the Qunari going into battle sans armor if they weren't also described as the dominant military power in Thedas. Those two things don't jive. Historically we have had peoples who went into battle without armor or with very little of it compared to their opponents, but those peoples were never the most powerful military force of the region. They tended be less technologically advanced (hence the comparative lack of armor) and were at a disadvantage, and when they won it was more often due to quantity trumping quality than the reverse.

 

I think the naked ninja routine would be a better fit for an Avvar or Chasind character than a Qunari.

[yawnandshrug]

A stick was just an example, jeez - you people are so literal sometimes. I'm also pretty sure Iron Bull has his scars out of being beaten with a stick only.

 

I'm just trying to point out the obvious double standard in rejecting boobplate and chainmail bikinis for objectifying women whilst blatantly doing the same to men.

[SnakeCode]

How is it an excuse? It is a perfectly valid reason, especially that it has been established in the game that Iron Bull has it drilled in his mind that qunari warriors only wear full armor when they go on actual war.

 

I agree it's valid, but it's an excuse to the people who defend it whilst also criticising boobplate, because they're working from the mindset that impracticality is bad. If impracticality is bad, then Iron Bull's (lack of) armor is also bad, yet they're justifying it, hence it is an excuse.

 

I think it's a perfectly valid reason, where I seem to differ from most in this thread though is I think it's a perfectly valid reason for both males and females. 

[midnight tea]

I agree it's valid, but it's an excuse to the people who defend it whilst also criticising boobplate, because they're working from the mindset that impracticality is bad. If impracticality is bad, then Iron Bull's (lack of) armor is also bad, yet they're justifying it, hence it is an excuse.

 

I think it's a perfectly valid reason, where I seem to differ from most in this thread though is I think it's a perfectly valid reason bof both males and females. 

 

Like I said - I wasn't the one who did the complaining. I mean, unless the Qun dictates that women should be covered (which I don't think it does, plus the place where they come from is kinda hot and people who are raised in hot climates tend to wear less clothing... ) I see no reason for complaining that Qunari women show more skin.

[midnight tea]

I'm just trying to point out the obvious double standard in rejecting boobplate and chainmail bikinis for objectifying women whilst blatantly doing the same to men.

 

Only Bull's harness hardly sexualizes him, while the only reason why chainmail bikini or boobplate exists is to accentuate the assets women have. There's a clear difference here.

[yawnandshrug]

Only Bull's harness hardly sexualizes him, while the only reason why chainmail bikini or boobplate exists is to accentuate the assets women have. There's a clear difference here.

 

Let's not be facetious and pretend that there is nothing sexual in showing off massive pecs and abs.

[midnight tea]

Let's not be facetious and pretend that there is nothing sexual in showing off massive pecs and abs.

 

Actually, I don't find massive pecs and arms sexy at all.

 

(and nothing is sexier than a well-tailored suit with Italian cut or unbuttoned shirt, mmmmmm)

 

Many cultures also accept naked male torso as entirely natural and normal - nobody really makes a fuss if a guy takes off his shirt when it's hot.

[SnakeCode]

Sexy and sexualised aren't the same thing. Only you can decide if you find someone attractive or not, sexualisation isn't quite so subjective. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Actually, I don't find massive pecs and arms sexy at all.

A lot of women and men do though. Heck in the gay KISA thread right now there is a discussion about having the character be muscular. 

 

Many cultures also accept naked male torso as entirely natural and normal - nobody really makes a fuss if a guy takes off his shirt when it's hot.

And that's a double standard in those cultures. It shouldn't be fine for one gender to go topless and the other can't. 

Either both can go topless, or neither.