Anything that doesn't look like a Frank Franzetta piece.
For the armor that I do like when I'm covered in complete tin can material, I like it to emphasize on looks instead of 'practicality' ergo, the massive hunk of metal that would be impossible to operate in from earlier that I linked.
I'm also a fan of this kind of armor too
Because instead of checking them, or ignoring them if you chose so, you're immediately launch a rant and deem it all as poison?
Some of the sources I saw were from Femen, AKA the group whose member's took to urinating and defecating on pictures of certain politicians because they didn't like their policies. Yeah, a bastion of moderation and rational thought.
Maybe feminists complaining is ALSO caused by something, hmmmm??? And if you deem all of their complaining as pointless or exaggerated, what stops other people from deeming your complaining as such?
If this were the 1920's or 1960's you'd have a point, except it isn't. Women have the right to vote and equal pay. Legitimate feminism has run out of real inequalities to fight against, so now it's about p*****g and moaning about how clapping triggers anxiety, and that video games make people into violent misogynists, and that mass shootings are the result of "patriarchy", and campaigning to reduce the population of men in the world by 90%. My personal favorite is Bahar Mustafa, who claims that she can't be sexist because she's a woman.
And people complain about LGBT movement too. They complained about anti-slavery movement when it was relevant as well. Not all complaints against movement are legit, just like not all complaints IN the movements (or splinters of those movements) are valid - but maybe, JUST maybe, some of them still are?
Keywords: when it was relevant. Women, or women in the first world, have all of the same rights as men, and even a few perks in the form of positive bias and affirmative action.
LOL, I can show you laundry list of idiotic and radical anti-feminist (or however you call it) hashtags, campaigns, speeches and monologues as wellI think the most hilarious one lately was the 'brouhaha' against Mad Max.
For some reason, I very much doubt there are actually anti-feminist hashtags. Or if there are, I very much doubt they're as radical and imbecilic as #KillAllMen.
You misunderstand. What I'm saying is that the breastplate wouldn't be molded to reflect the shape of the wearer's actual breasts. That the 'breasts' on the outside of the armor would be purely cosmetic, just as the pecs on a muscled cuirass are purely cosmetic. The inside basically would be indistinguishable from any other breastplate.
Ah. You're right in that case.
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1st is the exact kind of franzetta-spawn-power-metal-album-cover I was talking about. Everything else is just "... but why?"
I was always kind of fan of certain stuff in WoW, just not all of it, but certain stuff like I just noticed in Hearthstone Valeera
Or some of the paladin sets are interesting like Liadrin
Anyway a lot of Blizzard designers were fans of heavy metal like 70s era rock so it's not a shock to see that kind of influence things to be quite honest.
The sources I saw were from Femen, AKA the group whose member's took to urinating and defecating on pictures of certain politicians because they didn't like their policies. Yeah, a bastion of moderation and rational thought.
And you think they represent entirety of the movement? As if we didn't see different splinters of different movements do something like this - burning flags, Bibles, Qurans, defecating on symbols, etc...
If this were the 1920's or 1960's you'd have a point, except it isn't. Women have the right to vote and equal pay. Legitimate feminism has run out of real inequalities to fight against, so now it's about p*****g and moaning about how clapping triggers anxiety, and that video games make people into violent misogynists, and that mass shootings are the result of "patriarchy", and campaigning to reduce the population of men in the world by 90%. My personal favorite is Bahar Mustafa, who claims that she can't be sexist because she's a woman.
Not really. Same with other movements and same with other minorities - the main battles may have been won, but if you think there aren't ways through which sexism (or racism, or classism) didn't slip through, then I have bad news for you.
You're also not making any legit argument if you're quoting ridiculous ideas form predominantly fringe groups, because we can find those everywhere. I can find those in any movement or society in spades.
Or would you like to be perceived as a vile human for being a gamer, simply because some gamers do ridiculous things, like sending death threats to particular game designers, because they dared to change stats on one of weapons in game???
No - and you'd laugh it off if somebody tried to make a comment about entire gaming community by bringing example of most radical or vocal individuals or groups.
Keywords: when it was relevant. Women, or women in the first world, have all of the same rights as men, and even a few perks in the form of positive bias and affirmative action.
No they don't, just like many people of color don't yet have equal rights or are treated equally. For all the "positive perks" comes a negative one - endless fight over control of our bodies by limiting (or attempting to limit) access to contraceptives, lack of reasonable abortion laws or sex-ed (esp. in my county) that impacts especially women, the rampant victim blaming almost every time there's a louder case of it in media, etc.
For some reason, I very much doubt there are actually anti-feminist hashtags. Or if there are, I very much doubt they're as radical and imbecilic as #KillAllMen.
Um, so claiming that Mad Max: Fury Road (that I mentioned before) is feminist propaganda and that the movie exists to brainwash young men into becoming 'manginas' isn't ridiculous? Or maybe claiming that women should be all rounded in concentration camps isn't radical and imbecilic?
Hun... just go and search the Web. I AM perfectly aware that some radfems ar... well... rad and not worth listening to, but you yet have to find out how Internet is filled with rampant misogyny on the other side of fringe groups.
1st is the exact kind of franzetta-spawn-power-metal-album-cover I was talking about. Everything else is just "... but why?"
Hah -- fair enough, different tastes. I prefer looks over 'protection'.
So, we've gone from an armor style, to the sexualization of women, to the overly idealization of men, to gender politics and feminism. Over a style of armor in a thread started by an OP that has been banned for months.
Never change guys, never change.
So, we've gone from an armor style, to the sexualization of women, to the overly idealization of men, to gender politics and feminism. Over a style of armor in a thread started by an OP that has been banned for months.
Never change guys, never change.
To be fair, my post is somewhat relevant toward the discussion midnight and hanako had. Somewhat.. For my 'less skin' armor for my barbarian type characters, I want it to work for both males and females. Not just one's more flashy of the skin than the other. It'd be unfair and silly, like how they handled some armor pieces in warcraft. Magically less skin for females.. and more 'coverage' for men.
Also, give Not-Brevnau some credit. He starts discussions that can last for months because only he would have that kind of nerve to go full out "no care" mode.
So, we've gone from an armor style, to the sexualization of women, to the overly idealization of men, to gender politics and feminism. Over a style of armor in a thread started by an OP that has been banned for months.
Never change guys, never change.
I think it's mainly just about "what people like to see" the rest of the stuff just kind of grazes across (my eyes) at least.
And you think they represent entirety of the movement? As if we didn't see different splinters of different movements do something like this - burning flags, Bibles, Qurans, defecating on symbols, etc...
Ahh, the No True Scotsman fallacy. Or, at least, you're coming close to it. I was wondering how long that would take. I never said they represented the entirety of the movement, I just refused to look at them as a source because of their insanely idiotic actions and ideology.
Not really. Same with other movements and same with other minorities - the main battles may have been won, but if you think there aren't ways through which sexism (or racism, or classism) didn't slip through, then I have bad news for you.
You say this as though sexism is inherently bad when it isn't. Unless you want to go full Huxley and brainwash people in their sleep so as to uphold complete and total social equality. Legally and economically (I.E. the areas where campaigning and movements can actually make a difference), men and women are equal, and have been for decades.
You're also not making any legit argument if you're quoting ridiculous ideas form predominantly fringe groups, because we can find those everywhere. I can find those in any movement or society in spades.
So, what, are those fringe people not feminists then? Because that's what it sounds like you're building towards. And I would hardly call them fringe when they make headline news in several countries, across several fairly well established newspapers and websites.
Or would you like to be perceived as a vile human being simply because of being a gamer, simply because some gamers do ridiculous things, like sending death threats to particular game designers, simply because they changed stats on one of weapons in game???
"Gamer" isn't a sociopolitical or socioeconomic movement, now is it?
No - and you'd laugh it off if somebody tried to make a comment about entire gaming community by bringing example of most radical or vocal individuals or groups.
No, I'd say that they are gamers who are a*****les. I can't say they aren't a gamer or a "true" gamer if they call themselves a gamer. I CAN, however, condemn their actions and call them names based on that. They're anonymous internet trolls, nothing more.
No they don't, just like many people of color don't yet have equal rights or are treated equally.
Treated equally I'll give you, but lol @ people of color not having equal rights.
For all the "positive perks" comes a negative one - endless fight over control of our bodies by limiting (or attempting to limit) access to contraceptives, lack of reasonable laws or sex-ed (esp. in my county) that impacts especially women, the rampant victim blaming almost every time there's a louder case of it in media, etc.
I don't know where you live, but in the United States it's illegal to restrict a woman's access to contraceptives, in all states. Lack of reasonable sex-ed is gender neutral, I guarantee you. Those abstinence-only idiots and other scaremongers affect both men and women. Is it really victim blaming, or is it just someone pointing out that people can take steps to prevent themselves from being victimized? Because in my experience, it's almost never the former, and almost universally the latter.
Um, so claiming that Mad Max: Fury Road (that I mentioned before) is feminist propaganda and that the movie exists to brainwash young men into becoming 'manginas' isn't ridiculous? Or maybe claiming that women should be all rounded in concentration camps isn't radical and imbecilic?
Yes, calling for women to be put into camps is radical and imbecilic. I never said anything to the opposite effect. And if anyone said that Mad MAx was making people into manginas, they don't know what a mangina is.
Hun... just go and search the Web. I AM perfectly aware that some radfems ar... well... rad and not worth listening to, but you yet have to find out how Internet is filled with rampant misogyny on the other side of fringe groups.
Is it actual misogyny, or is it people on the internet taking advantage of their anonymity and being a****les because they can? Someone saying "that woman is a *****" is quite different than "all women are *****es". Likewise, "all women are ******es" in obvious jest is quite different than saying it with sincerity.
Hm I was actually sort of surprised for once, the top is kind of on the "hot" side of things. It kind of reminds me of like Aladdin or something at the same time..
Eh, since it goes so offtopic, I'll just spoiler-tag entire response:
I'm not trying to be rude here, but would you and Venus please take it to PM? This could escalate quickly (discussions like that one tend to bring out the worst in a lot of posters,) and I don't want to see an overall civil conversation locked due to real world politics and certain social movements. 
Hm I was actually sort of surprised for once, the top is kind of on the "hot" side of things. It kind of reminds me of like Aladdin or something at the same time..
That's because I totally don't mind "hot" things, if done with moderation or taste 
My DA gallery hasn't been updated for a looooong while and I have a ton of things I've hidden (to fix or redraw or else), but even in this inactive, partially hidden stage if you follow links to my gallery, I'm pretty sure you'll easily notice a wide variety of either topics or... uh... level of hotness I guess? (this one's subjective, I know)
I have fully naked people, half naked people, as well as those that are fully clothed or modest. That's because I don't like locking myself in one particular niche. There's place for everything, as long as people don't go overboard with it... or should I say, even overboard things are alright, just not all time or places xD
I'm not trying to be rude here, but would you and Venus please take it to PM? This could escalate quickly (discussions like that one tend to bring out the worst in a lot of posters,) and I don't want to see an overall civil conversation locked due to real world politics and certain social movements.
Sorry for that - I don't plan to make any more responses on that topic, if that's what you're concerned about. I think I've said everything I could say - anything else would probably be just me repeating myself.
Sorry for that - I don't plan to make any more responses on that topic, if that's what you're concerned about. I think I've said everything I could say - anything else would probably be just me repeating myself.
It's all good, and thanks. Despite it's origins, this thread has been an interesting discussion and I've been enjoying the conversation more than I thought I would. Good points all around.
That's because I totally don't mind "hot" things, if done with moderation or taste
My DA gallery hasn't been updated for a looooong while and I have a ton of things I've hidden (to fix or redraw or else), but even in this inactive, partially hidden stage if you follow links to my gallery, I'm pretty sure you'll easily notice a wide variety of either topics or... uh... level of hotness I guess? (this one's subjective, I know)
I have fully naked people, half naked people, as well as those that are fully clothed or modest. That's because I don't like locking myself in one particular niche. There's place for everything, as long as people don't go overboard with it... or should I say, even overboard things are alright, just not all time or places xD
Haha oh my I just spotted Sailor Mercury in there, sailor outfit and all. ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
Haha oh my I just spotted Sailor Mercury in there, sailor outfit and all.
It was done for a friend of mine
My oh my, what have we here. Circular arguments, semantic wrangling, strawmen, irrelevent examples and frankly spectacular failures of logic and common sense. Ah, I love the smell of the internet in the morning.
Alright so here's my step by step argument as to why Bioware's aesthetic choices regarding certain characters constitutes a double standards. (Disclaimer: feminism will neither be bashed nor invoked for fear of attracting the social justice warriors)
Firstly, a brief definition of terms, just so we are all on the same page.
Sexual - pertaining to sex
Sexy - a description used when someone finds something sexually attractive
Sexualization - something depicted in a certain manner for the purpose of titillation
Savvy?
Alright, first of all, reasons for why people/bioware is opposed to boobplate/chainmail bikini
1) Because it does not provide adequate protection on the battlefield
2) Because it depicts women in an unnecessarily sexualized manner
Both are fair arguments which stand in my book.
Now why do we oppose Iron Bull's topless armour.
1) Because it is impractical as it leave a large portion of his body exposed does not provide adequate protection
2) That by deliberately reveal aspects of his physique many women and gay men find attractive, his design is unnecessarily sexualized
As our reasons for opposing Iron Bull's armour echo Bioware's reasons for not including boobplate/chainmail bikinis, we're suggesting that a case of double standards is present
Now to address a few common arguments by those opposing this point of view.
1) I don't find Iron Bull sexy! It's supposed to show off his muscles and how strong he is!
Retort: That you don't find it sexy is a matter of your subjective personal preference. Many people do. Thus it doesn't exclude the intention to titillate by depicting him in that manner, nor does having another purpose to the look i.e demonstrating strength (a trait that could be demonstrated in innumerable other ways) magically cancel out the intention to sexualize him.
2) Qunari are more resistant to damage so Iron Bull doesn't need armour!
Retort: Until you show me a canon depiction of Iron Bull shrugging off the loss of limbs/vital organs and/or deflecting blows from edged weapons wielded with deadly intent with nothing more than than his bare chest I would argue that practical armour is an important aspect for survival on the battlefield. Besides, he dons plate with certain armour sets so obviously there must be some merit to it over bare flesh.
3) But it's more acceptable for men to show off their chest in public!
Retort: Again that something is acceptable does not mean that it is not sexualized. And that is a matter of double standards in society. If you're truly trying to be progressive then there's no point in perpetuating such practices is there?
Everyone follow?
My oh my, what have we here. Circular arguments, semantic wrangling, strawmen, irrelevent examples and frankly spectacular failures of logic and common sense. Ah, I love the smell of the internet in the morning.
Alright so here's my step by step argument as to why Bioware's aesthetic choices regarding certain characters constitutes a double standards. (Disclaimer: feminism will neither be bashed nor invoked for fear of attracting the social justice warriors)
Firstly, a brief definition of terms, just so we are all on the same page.
Sexual - pertaining to sex
Sexy - a description used when someone finds something sexually attractive
Sexualization - something depicted in a certain manner for the purpose of titillation
Savvy?
Alright, first of all, reasons for why people/bioware is opposed to boobplate/chainmail bikini
1) Because it does not provide adequate protection on the battlefield
2) Because it depicts women in an unnecessarily sexualized manner
Both are fair arguments which stand in my book.
Now why do we oppose Iron Bull's topless armour.
1) Because it is impractical as it leave a large portion of his body exposed does not provide adequate protection
2) That by deliberately reveal aspects of his physique many women and gay men find attractive, his design is unnecessarily sexualized
As our reasons for opposing Iron Bull's armour echo Bioware's reasons for not including boobplate/chainmail bikinis, we're suggesting that a case of double standards is present
Now to address a few common arguments by those opposing this point of view.
1) I don't find Iron Bull sexy! It's supposed to show off his muscles and how strong he is!
Retort: That you don't find it sexy is a matter of your subjective personal preference. Many people do. Thus it doesn't exclude the intention to titillate by depicting him in that manner, nor does having another purpose to the look i.e demonstrating strength (a trait that could be demonstrated in innumerable other ways) magically cancel out the intention to sexualize him.
2) Qunari are more resistant to damage so Iron Bull doesn't need armour!
Retort: Until you show me a canon depiction of Iron Bull shrugging off the loss of limbs/vital organs and/or deflecting blows from edged weapons wielded with deadly intent with nothing more than than his bare chest I would argue that practical armour is an important aspect for survival on the battlefield. Besides, he dons plate with certain armour sets so obviously there must be some merit to it over bare flesh.
3) But it's more acceptable for men to show off their chest in public!
Retort: Again that something is acceptable does not mean that it is not sexualized. And that is a matter of double standards in society. If you're truly trying to be progressive then there's no point in perpetuating such practices is there?
Everyone follow?
You forgot one point on why people don't want boob plates: 1) They look horrible (yes this is about taste) and 2) Overdone and cop-out from actually making more intresting armor for women than just slapping some boobs there.
Also I doubt we can here agree on how sexualised muscles are, especially if people keep arguing how boobs and muscles are as sexualised when society around them says opposite from laws to media.
However to argue about some points about Iron Bull:
1) Can you prove that Bioware did Iron Bull topless for sexual purposes over him looking like warrior and coherent with qunari culture (where female qunaris don't wear much either)?
2) There is couple canon things about this. First of all Qunari have vitar, war paint that strenghtens skin and is poisonous to other races. Other is that Iron Bull is squishier than more armored warrios in DAI and his body is covered on scars so althoughs his vitar protects him, it doesn't protect him as much as full-plate would.
3) That it actually means. If movies don't rank up rating for muscles, but they do so for boobs that shows what our society sexualises and what not.
I agree that muscles are considered sexy on men, but that doesn't change the fact that they are also signs of strenght, they are socially much less sexualised than boobs and they are often used as male fantasy as hypermasculinity in fiction (not saying that all or even most men nowdays would have this, but it's very traditional trend you can see from early comics like Tarzan to nowdays) meant for boys instead of being fanservice for straight women/gay men (look Conan barbarian, Dragon Ball Z etc.). This can also be seen in that most women prefer lean and slightly muscular guys over very muscular and big guys that fictions have often to offer, for example Final Fantasy type of guys are more popular within female players over likes of Iron Bull or what you see on Sparta movies, though there is slight overlap since people have different preferences, but I believe this is main trend.
My final view towards Iron Bull is that his armor fits to him, his culture and style of DA games. Qunaris have been topless many games and it's established that they don't wear much armor or clothing, he has many scars to show off his lack of armor though his vitar protects him probaply from lethal cuts and he's big muscular qunari, since qunaris in general are quite big and muscular, that seem to be one of traits of their race since we haven't yet seen lanky qunari.
You forgot one point on why people don't want boob plates: 1) They look horrible (yes this is about taste) and 2) Overdone and cop-out from actually making more intresting armor for women than just slapping some boobs there.
Also I doubt we can here agree on how sexualised muscles are, especially if people keep arguing how boobs and muscles are as sexualised when society around them says opposite from laws to media.
It's like the same circle of logic over and over again at this point. This is about taste, for you? "They could be doing other types of armor" Both males and females wear the exact same thing going to the winter palace. Why I'm arguing for unique armor skins at this point is to break that copy paste behavior which is clearly evident throughout DAI for plate.
Sten is my reply to your Iron Bull argument, things change.
It's like the same circle of logic over and over again at this point. This is about taste, for you? "They could be doing other types of armor" Both males and females wear the exact same thing going to the winter palace. Why I'm arguing for unique armor skins at this point is to break that copy paste behavior which is clearly evident throughout DAI for plate.
Sten is my reply to your Iron Bull argument, things change.
Qunaris changed dramatically since sten, not for Iron Bull, but for DA2 though there was another change between DA2 and DAI, but I'd say it's more facial.
Since we can't agree on the topic or bring convicing enough points I think it will circle, Iron Bull's lack of armor itself is already old topic already discussed alot without much result. Though muscles are as sexualised as boob is new point to me. With boob plates I think it's about taste, with steel bikinis I don't think it is, but boob plates yes.
I'm not sure what is your point with rest, but I agree that there is lack of unique models and variety in DAI armors. I don't think boob plate would save the situation though ^^;
there is only one way to settle this
Celtic armor, ie nothing but tattoos and maybe a shield
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