1832 réponses à ce sujet

[PhroXenGold]

there is only one way to settle this

 

Celtic armor, ie nothing but tattoos and maybe a shield

 

The only reason people ever fought like that is beacuse they were too poor to get themselves armour....

[Steelcan]

The only reason people ever fought like that is beacuse they were too poor to get themselves armour....

and you think the peasantry of Thedas is any better off!

 

Make with the woad

[Panda]

Boob plate won't save it. I preferred hanakos examples if they were to do anything of that nature. I will maintain if I want something for my male warrior, I.e, muscular friendly armor, it should be available for females. Not that it hinders one over the other it's just why I am adamant about this.

Hanako for design chief.

 

I think Hana would make DA too anime for my liking.. not that I don't like animes or their styles, but I'd rather keep the style we currently have in DAI ^^

[TheOgre]

I think Hana would make DA too anime for my liking.. not that I don't like animes or their styles, but I'd rather keep the style we currently have in DAI ^^

 

If DA had an Asian theme at all, my choice of weapon would not be the warmaul or the battle axe..

 

But the bloody and very long katana.

[PhroXenGold]

If DA had an Asian theme at all, my choice of weapon would not be the warmaul or the battle axe..

 

But the bloody and very long katana.

 

I'd love to see katanas in DA, provided they are accurately represented and utterly useless against anyone wearing armour....

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think Hana would make DA too anime for my liking.. not that I don't like animes or their styles, but I'd rather keep the style we currently have in DAI ^^

Don't worry. I'd keep the style currently in place as well. Again, I like having options.

 

I'd love to see katanas in DA, provided they are accurately represented and utterly useless against anyone wearing armour....

They were better than a European Longsword: 

[TheOgre]

I had that impression of Katanas, being sharp enough to pierce yet light enough to be quick with. I don't know how 'durable' they are however. No expert here.

[PhroXenGold]

I had that impression of Katanas, being sharp enough to pierce yet light enough to be quick with. I don't know how 'durable' they are however. No expert here.

 

They weren't particularly quick or sharp. All the fancy forging was simply a way of compensating for the awful quality of iron ore available to the Japanese (and wasn't even particularly special - similar techniques had been used elsewhere centuries before the first katana). It didn't make them particularly sharp or any such - though, admittedly, when considering the kind of armour widely used in Japan, it was arguably less important. Katana's were also a really awkward size, requiring two hands to use, thus preculding the use of a shield, while not being heavy enough to actually take advanatge of being wielded in that way. It didn't help that the design remained basically static for centuries, while weapon technology elsewhere advanced significantly.

 

In fact, even in feudal Japan, they were more of a ceremonial weapon and a status symbol than anything else. Even samurai used spears and bows whenever possible, only turning to the katana as a last resort.

 

Basically, katanas look cool, so a huge amount of mythology has developed around them.

 

edit: I can't watch Hanako's video, as I'm at work, but I've seen similar in the past, and they never actually create realistic condistions for the tests.

[Steelcan]

Are we gonna ignore that European swords were almost exclusively wielded as stabbing weapons?

[TheOgre]

Are we gonna ignore that European swords were almost exclusively wielded as stabbing weapons?

 

They were! They aren't so sharp, but they are pointy. However, so is the Katana..

 

Popular media culture depicts the sword as a slashing weapon however.. Especially so in DA.

[Steelcan]

he's not even holding the broadsword right in that video

[TheOgre]

The typical combat for a broadsword or a european long blade in video games also drastically is different.

 

I'd say the Katana is still more all around.

[PhroXenGold]

Are we gonna ignore that European swords were almost exclusively wielded as stabbing weapons?

 

They were used as slashing weapons at times, but when they were, it was less the sharpness of the blade, and more the weight behind it that casued damage. A well swung European sword had a lot of force behind the blow, they were heavy things. Actually penetrating plate armour was extremely difficult without being able to focus the force of your blow through a sharp point, but a heavy enough impact could cause significant damage to the person inside the armour even if you didn't fully break the plate itself - hence the reason for the significant padding worn beneath the plate.

 

Of course, swords in general weren't great weapons when it comes to getting though armour. A warhammer (and by that, I mean a proper warhammer, not the stupid mallet thing that usually appears in video games that would be great if you wanted to bang tent pegs into the ground but awful at actually killing armoured opponents) or a good pole-arm (such as a billhook or similar) are far better. But they don't make for good "cinematic" combat, so swords are more popular.

[DomeWing333]

2) Qunari are more resistant to damage so Iron Bull doesn't need armour!
Retort: Until you show me a canon depiction of Iron Bull shrugging off the loss of limbs/vital organs and/or deflecting blows from edged weapons wielded with deadly intent with nothing more than than his bare chest I would argue that practical armour is an important aspect for survival on the battlefield. Besides, he dons plate with certain armour sets so obviously there must be some merit to it over bare flesh.

They call these markings "vitaar," which in their tongue means "poison armor." It's called this because the markings are magical in nature and actually harden their skin to an iron-like quality without hindering flexibility, and my analysis says the paint consists largely of poison." 
 
Unless you don't think iron has the capacity to deflect blows from edged weapons with deadly intent (in which case armor in general would be useless), Bull in fact doesn't need armor when he has sufficient vitaar on. And in fact since it doesn't have the side effect of weighing him down and limiting his mobility, I'd say that vitaar is quite superior to armor for him.

[TheOgre]

They call these markings "vitaar," which in their tongue means "poison armor." It's called this because the markings are magical in nature and actually harden their skin to an iron-like quality without hindering flexibility, and my analysis says the paint consists largely of poison." 
 
Unless you don't think iron has the capacity to deflect blows from edged weapons with deadly intent (in which case armor in general would be useless), Bull in fact doesn't need armor when he has sufficient vitaar on. And in fact since it doesn't have the side effect of weighing him down and limiting his mobility, I'd say that vitaar is quite superior to armor for him.

 

 

Vitaar for female qunari inquisitors?

[yawnandshrug]

They call these markings "vitaar," which in their tongue means "poison armor." It's called this because the markings are magical in nature and actually harden their skin to an iron-like quality without hindering flexibility, and my analysis says the paint consists largely of poison." 
 
Unless you don't think iron has the capacity to deflect blows from edged weapons with deadly intent (in which case armor in general would be useless), Bull in fact doesn't need armor when he has sufficient vitaar on. And in fact since it doesn't have the side effect of weighing him down and limiting his mobility, I'd say that vitaar is quite superior to armor for him.

 

Isn't Vitaar worn on the face and not the chest?

[TheOgre]

Isn't Vitaar worn on the face and not the chest?

 

 

Good question! I don't recall seeing paint options for the body. Would be amazing though.

[DomeWing333]

Isn't Vitaar worn on the face and not the chest?

It's painted on the body as well. The link I included mentions "painted markings on their face and body." In Bull's non full-armor sets you can see him gain different amounts of body paint.
 

Vitaar for female qunari inquisitors?

Well, female Qunari inquisitors were raised away from the Qun and may be more used to armor, but theoretically, why the hell not? And if we ever get an Aqun athlock companion I fully expect him/her to be topless as much as any other member of the Beresaad.

[TheOgre]

It's painted on the body as well. The link I included mentions "painted markings on their face and body." In Bull's non full-armor sets you can see him gain different amounts of body paint.
 
Well, female Qunari inquisitors were raised away from the Qun and may be more used to armor, but theoretically, why the hell not? And if we ever get an Aqun athlock companion I fully expect him/her to be topless as much as any other member of the Beresaad.

 

 

For heritage reasons, and for character control, one should be able to learn the ways of the Vitaar (if Qunari). I could see my inquisitor being curious about the ways of the Qun even if I wouldn't want to follow it. Understanding and the like

 

plus we kinda wear it on our heads as Qunari for that attack% benefit I think.. Why not?

[DomeWing333]

Makes me wonder if Qunari ever have the equivalent of boob plate armor discussions among themselves.

 

Like "Oh, come on kadaan, that pattern of paint is just going to get you killed out there." "But I like how it brings out my pecs!"

[SardaukarElite]

Um, so claiming that Mad Max: Fury Road (that I mentioned before) is feminist propaganda(...)

 

Fury Road was insane, if that's what counts as feminist propaganda, I want more feminist propaganda.

[Grieving Natashina]

Makes me wonder if Qunari ever have the equivalent of boob plate armor discussions among themselves.

 

Like "Oh, come on kadaan, that pattern of paint is just going to get you killed out there." "But I like how it brings out my pecs!"

Probably closer to, "Hey, you missed a spot."  

[TheOgre]

Makes me wonder if Qunari ever have the equivalent of boob plate armor discussions among themselves.

Like "Oh, come on kadaan, that pattern of paint is just going to get you killed out there." "But I like how it brings out my pecs!"

I wish I could give you three likes for that one.. I laughed genuinely.

[RINNZ]

As long as I can hold it with two hands AND DO DAMAGE WITH MY OWN TAINTED BLOOD then I'm good with a katana in ththe next DA.

[Ennai and 54 others]

It's fallacious because A. the game is not even trying to adhere to any kind of realism in it's portrayal of clothing and armor, otherwise a good number of armor sets would be entirely unwearable by either gender, and because B. it's a video game made by human beings, thus made in a stylized fashion of whatever idea they are trying to convey.

Ignoring that dragons are not real and don't have a physical form to compare to a human being.... No. I'll use birds as an example. Birds have wings. Birds fly. By your logic, a human with wings should also be able to fly like a bird, because the human has wings like the bird does, completely disregarding every other physical difference that allows a bird to fly but not a human. Birds have less dense, practically hollow bone structures and much less muscle tissue than any human. Birds are also much lighter than any average human and tire much slower. Most people don't have a lot of stamina, which would be rapidly consumed if one were to fly by flapping wings and carrying a 160-pound human. The human skeleton in no way allows for flight.

1:If one clarifies the term realism.We see that what one means when saying something is unrealistic is that it violates the internal consistency of the setting.If a game narrative does not have internal consistency then the quality is reduced.

2:There are constraints that prevent a human from flying(even if he/she had wings).If these constraints were gone humans would be able to fly.

The rest of your post basically lists them for me.Birds are have wings,are light,small and have hollow bones.Humans do not have these traits and dragons don't either.If these traits were not needed for flight then both humans and dragons could fly(unaided ).