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[Grieving Natashina]

You can have all of the likes. 

 

 

Thanks guys for the chuckles.  Due to three tornado warnings, jackhammers from our neighbors redoing their driveway, and a dog with allergies yesterday, I haven't slept well in the last 24 hours.  Complete with a stupid useless fight with the hubby earlier.  We made up and we're going to do some D&D with our friends tonight, but it hasn't been the best day.  You guys honestly made it a little better.  

 

<hugs> 

 

Once he wakes up from his nap, he's gonna do some peach chicken hotwings.  Food, friends and D&D will be fun.  You guys are helping in the meantime, and I really appreciate it.

[TheOgre]

I get more bent out of shape by the way these things are being requested than the request itself.

I like JRPGs and such and the artstyle they have just fine.

I think "I like dis" is all the justification needed to ask for something, regardless if others don't like it and don't want it.

That being said, I'd like to request more nuclear guncannon arms and capes made of the universe. Pls.

 

People wanted to shut down and derail the original post because of the poster and not the content of the post. Then others came in and said it was not practical. Then they just came out and said it was about oversexualizing a character, and then it became a debate about fairness. 

 

I may have been reading the wrong thread but the option itself is being attacked because options are a bad thing apparently. The examples that Hanako provided weren't exactly bikini plate. I'd much rather a variant than copy pasting male designed armor for females.

 

At this point I'm seriously considering using that ignore function for posters I used to think could be reasonable.

 

The dude armour really needs to work on showing off the abs. Though I prefer a nice pair of pants to loincloths. 

 

 

You can have all of the likes. 

 

 

I want this too.

[Hellion Rex]

How does a male desire demon sound?

Spoiler

This would probably be how all my mage characters turn into abominations.

[Hellion Rex]

The dude armour really needs to work on showing off the abs. Though I prefer a nice pair of pants to loincloths.

But the loincloths show off the thighs!!!!

[Grieving Natashina]

This would probably be how all my mage characters turn into abominations.

Do you want him to:

 

Open your Rift?

Conscript your Mage?

Obey your Templar?

Drink from your Well?

Redeem your Seeker?

[Hellion Rex]

Do you want him to:

Open your Rift?
Conscript your Mage?
Obey your Templar?
Drink from your Well?
Redeem your Seeker?

All of the above.

[Grieving Natashina]

All of the above.

[SnakeCode]

I am deeply offended by all of the objectification and hypersexualisation of males going on in this thread. I don't like it and I don't want it in the next game! 

 

 

Er, I mean it's not realistic and doesn't fit with the setting.  

[TheOgre]

I am deeply offended by all of the objectification and hypersexualisation of males going on in this thread. I don't like it and I don't want it in the next game! 

 

 

Er, I mean it's not realistic and doesn't fit with the setting.  

 

Yeah, PUT SOME CLOTHES ON EM for decency sake 

 

I wish Kappa was a thing on all websites.

 

Though, if I could make a pc look anything like this guy I'd want to be able to show off that build.

 

[Br3admax]

Nah, men want to be muscular and show that off, so I don't see the problem here.

[Grieving Natashina]

Look, to be honest, sometime between SJW getting tossed around like the useless term that it is and folks accusing each other of sexism, fear of the naked body, and the occasional personal insults over preferences in video game armor styles, it's difficult to take much of this seriously anymore.  Besides, I'm sure that the devs are aware that this thread and it's requests/suggestions exist.  

 

I understand that sexualization of women, as well as the idealization of men in a lot of "nerd culture" are things that should be addressed (the latter is something that should be talked about more in general and has lead to eating disorders growing among gay and straight teenage men.)  This is a concern for me in the video game industry.  However, there is a huge difference to me between having more "boob plate" armor versus sexualization.  A lot of negative sexualization actually doesn't come down to the clothes.  There are plenty of women comic artists and writers that don't shy away from the most traditional costumes inherent to that genre.  The important difference comes in how they are displayed. 

 

We've all seen those backbreaking ridiculous poses that female characters have in several video games and comic books.  Where the butt and breasts are jutting out just enough at an odd angle to show everything off, or barring big breasts, the panty shot.  That's where sexualization comes into play for me.  The female character is presented to the audience as a thing to be admired or attained, and usually the story reflects that idea, at least here in the West.  

 

There is a bit too much focus on the clothes being sexual, and not enough on the way the characters are posed from the first views.  It isn't the armor, or the costumes, it's how they are treated within their stories (including the cover art) that makes the difference.  

 

Finally, like I said before, this is BioWare we're talking about.  I'm sorry, but I'm not going to believe that this would be some kind of slippery slope of deluge to a sexualization of female characters.   Yes yes, I know, Miranda Butt Cam.  Yes yes, Isabela STD joke.  However, we are talking 4-5 years ago at this point, and the company has tried to come a long way in that regard.  Personally, I think they've succeed, while acknowledging that they are far from perfect in that respect.  I feel confident that BioWare won't go into full blown chainmail bikinis.  Hana had some pretty good ideas, and I wouldn't mind that as an option.

 

To be clear, I'm still not a fan of the armor style for female warriors in future Dragon Age games.  I know that's more due to my personal taste in regards to this particular franchise.  I do think it wouldn't work in the settings for reasons stated by Iron Bull's banter, as well as my burnout on seeing the armor style in so many other games/movies/comics, ect.  I haven't changed my mind there in the least.  I am trying to be open minded though, and I have been thinking about this quite a bit.  

 

BioWare has apologized several times for both the Butt Cam and for the STD joke they put on the otherwise (imho) sex positive character Isabela.  I think they could have this kind of armor as an option, without detracting from their stated goal of not making all female characters "conventionally" beautiful/sexy/sexually active.

[Seraphim24]

Look, to be honest, sometime between SJW getting tossed around like the useless term that it is and folks accusing each other of sexism, fear of the naked body, and the occasional personal insults over preferences in video game armor styles, it's difficult to take much of this seriously anymore.  Besides, I'm sure that the devs are aware that this thread and it's requests/suggestions exist.  

 

I understand that sexualization of women, as well as the idealization of men in a lot of "nerd culture" are things that should be addressed (the latter is something that should be talked about more in general and has lead to eating disorders growing among gay and straight teenage men.)  This is a concern for me in the video game industry.  However, there is a huge difference to me between having more "boob plate" armor versus sexualization.  A lot of negative sexualization actually doesn't come down to the clothes.  There are plenty of women comic artists and writers that don't shy away from the most traditional costumes inherent to that genre.  The important difference comes in how they are displayed. 

 

We've all seen those backbreaking ridiculous poses that female characters have in several video games and comic books.  Where the butt and breasts are jutting out just enough at an odd angle to show everything off, or barring big breasts, the panty shot.  That's where sexualization comes into play for me.  The female character is presented to the audience as a thing to be admired or attained, and usually the story reflects that idea, at least here in the West.  

 

There is a bit too much focus on the clothes being sexual, and not enough on the way the characters are posed from the first views.  It isn't the armor, or the costumes, it's how they are treated within their stories (including the cover art) that makes the difference.  

 

Finally, like I said before, this is BioWare we're talking about.  I'm sorry, but I'm not going to believe that this would be some kind of slippery slope of deluge tp a sexualization of female characters.   Yes yes, I know, Miranda Butt Cam.  Yes yes, Isabela STD joke.  However, we are talking 4-5 years ago at this point, and the company has tried to come a long way in that regard.  Personally, I think they've succeed, while acknowledging that they are far from perfect in that respect.  I feel confident that BioWare won't go into full blown chainmail bikinis.  Hana had some pretty good ideas, and I wouldn't mind that as an option.

 

To be clear, I'm still not a fan of the armor style for female warriors in future Dragon Age games.  I know that's more due to my personal taste in regards to this particular franchise.  I do think it wouldn't work in the settings for reasons stated by Iron Bull's banter, as well as my burnout on seeing the armor style in so many other games/movies/comics, ect.  I haven't changed my mind there in the least.  I am trying to be open minded though, and I have been thinking about this quite a bit.  

 

BioWare has apologized several times for both the Butt Cam and for the STD joke they put on the otherwise (imho) sex positive character Isabela.  I think they could have this kind of armor as an option, without detracting from their stated goal of not making all female characters "conventionally" beautiful/sexy/sexually active.

 

Liking not because I agree with everything (which I don't) but because it is at least in the right direction. I personally don't think poses or cam shots or anything to get upset over either.

 

I think the most critical issue is just what is this woman doing anyway? Is she wearing very little but dominating all the men around her? It's hard to say anything without looking at everything else that's going on, fixating on bits and pieces or an article of cloth is not the way to be going about your social justice business.

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, PUT SOME CLOTHES ON EM for decency sake 

 

I wish Kappa was a thing on all websites.

 

Though, if I could make a pc look anything like this guy I'd want to be able to show off that build.

 

...................dear God, I'm getting weak in the knees.

[TheJediSaint]

...................dear God, I'm getting weak in the knees.

Carrying those shoulders around, I bet he is too.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

 It's hard to say anything without looking at everything else that's going on, fixating on bits and pieces or an article of cloth is not the way to be going about your social justice business.

 

 

Dude, how about dropping the whole Social Justice nonsense, okay?  For one, not every decision a company makes revolves around that.  Players give themselves far far more credit than we really deserve when it comes to influencing developers.  Secondly, an interest in one area does not mean that one lacks interest in others.  Sure, I've posted about how I feel about clothes, armor, sexual and race representation in games.  I do speak out against over sexualization of women in media.  So have some other posters that have spoken for and against the idea in the thread.

 

Bare in mind, you don't know them.  How can you judge their entire ideas and interest regarding social change based upon their interest in a video game forum???

 

As far as the SJW comments, I've had that causally flung at me a few times.   I've also written to my senator to overturn the gay marriage ban; donate to Special Olympics every year on my taxes; vote every year for better education for my local schools as well as the federal education budget; voted for women in the military; voted on stalking and rape laws; getting ready to vote on a new cyberstalking law in the works, already passed by the House of Representatives (here in the US) if it goes through Congress.  Which has been endorsed by the House of Representives.  I've volunteered for the AIDS Walk several times (mostly in high school.)  I also both volunteered and donated to Planned Parenthood.  

 

I did those things because I try to do something about what I strongly believe in.  Is that being a "Social Justice Warrior," a useless dismissive term that has more meaning for the folks that use it against others than those are on the receiving end?

 

You really shouldn't waste your time and energy flinging that term at total strangers because of their interest and preferred topics of conversation on a damned video game board.   

[Hellion Rex]

Carrying those shoulders around, I bet he is too.

He can fall on me any time!

[Hellion Rex]

Dude, how about dropping the whole Social Justice nonsense, okay? For one, not every decision a company makes revolves around that. Players give themselves far far more credit than we really deserve when it comes to influencing developers. Secondly, an interest in one area does not mean that one lacks interest in others. Sure, I've posted about how I feel about clothes, armor, sexual and race representation in games. I do speak out against over sexualization of women in media. So have some other posters that have spoken for and against the idea in the thread.

Bare in mind, you don't know them. How can you judge their entire ideas and interest regarding social change based upon their interest in a video game forum???

As far as the SJW comments, I've had that causally flung at me a few times. I've also written to my senator to overturn the gay marriage ban; donate to Special Olympics every year on my taxes; vote every year for better education for my local schools as well as the federal education budget; voted for women in the military; voted on stalking and rape laws; getting ready to vote on a new cyberstalking law in the works, already passed by the House of Representatives (here in the US) if it goes through Congress. Which has been endorsed by the House of Representives. I've volunteered for the AIDS Walk several times (mostly in high school.) I also both volunteered and donated to Planned Parenthood.

I did those things because I try to do something about what I strongly believe in. Is that being a "Social Justice Warrior," a useless dismissive term that has more meaning for the folks that use it against others than those are on the receiving end?

You really shouldn't waste your time and energy flinging that term at total strangers because of their interest and preferred topics of conversation on a damned video game board.

/drops mic

[AresKeith]

Yeah, PUT SOME CLOTHES ON EM for decency sake 

 

I wish Kappa was a thing on all websites.

 

Though, if I could make a pc look anything like this guy I'd want to be able to show off that build.

 

 

Blackwall 20 years ago?

[Grieving Natashina]

As one final note to that post, calling someone sexist because they like a style of video game armor is equally wrong and screwed up.  We're pretty much all total strangers here, so it's not right to throw that around either.  Just because a person might be really into Bayonetta, or prefer Aribeth's armor style as a design choice doesn't make them sexist either.

[SnakeCode]

Most insults have more meaning to those using them than they do to the people they're aimed at, this isn't unique to SJW. That doesn't diminish the term at all. I remember when bigot was the be all and end all of insults on the old bsn. Was it thrown around too casually and at people it didn't apply to? Absolutely, does that mean that bigot is a useless term that bigots don't exist? Not at all. Same applies here.

 

I say this as someone that's been called a Social Justice Warrior AND a bigot on these very boards. I agree that nobody should resort to namecalling and labelling people over the internet, but i'm not going to pretend these people don't exist either.

[TheOgre]

 

Bare in mind, you don't know them.  How can you judge their entire ideas and interest regarding social change based upon their interest in a video game forum???

 

 

I don't know the posters personally, but from what I can gather no one here's likely to agree with one another on a middle ground. They came up with multiple excuses as to why not when in the end they admitted it was unfair that there were less clothed women in the industry than males. They were the type to say I'm pleased with people listening to the small few concerns. Well, it turns out not so much when her ideas contrast with a small group of individuals complaining about male bodies in the industry and they may or may not actually get the benefit from being 'that small group of individuals who had a problem'. I think it's best just to add to the ignore lists as really, these threads are tired and old from all the runaround.

[Hellion Rex]

Blackwall 20 years ago?

[HuldraDancer]

How does a male desire demon sound?

 

Spoiler

 

My goodness that is beautifully drawn, the design on the head is just wonderful. I'd be down with a male desire demon if it looked like that, so long as they kept the kind of DAO voice to them something soft and sexy with a faint echo of the dark and demonic following behind.

 

My apologies for the off topic post, pretty art is very distracting. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't know the posters personally, but from what I can gather no one here's likely to agree with one another on a middle ground. They came up with multiple excuses as to why not when in the end they admitted it was unfair that there were less clothed women in the industry than males. They were the type to say I'm pleased with people listening to the small few concerns. Well, it turns out not so much when her ideas contrast with a small group of individuals complaining about male bodies in the industry and they may or may not actually get the benefit from being 'that small group of individuals who had a problem'. I think it's best just to add to the ignore lists as really, these threads are tired and old from all the runaround.

I can see what you (and Snake) mean, and I don't argue (out of likes too) but that doesn't change my point.

 

 Taking someone's thoughts and views in one area doesn't mean that it's the representation of everything they believe in.  I think we'd all be much better off not accusing each other of being fake activists and sexist and racist and whatever the hell "ist" we're supposed to be at this point.   When we haven't been flinging around insults, this hasn't been a bad conversation.  

 

I think we can all give each other more respect than this.  I know we can.  For example, I've had conversations with you, Snake and others that I do disagree with, but we usually have mutual respect and don't resort to flinging around insults that are only designed to p*ss people off. 

 

We can argue all damned day about the social aspect, but let's take it down several notches here.  This is video game armor folks.  From a company overall known for treating female characters with respect.