Guest_Puddi III_*
My goodness that is beautifully drawn, the design on the head is just wonderful. I'd be down with a male desire demon if it looked like that, so long as they kept the kind of DAO voice to them something soft and sexy with a faint echo of the dark and demonic following behind.
Dude, how about dropping the whole Social Justice nonsense, okay? For one, not every decision a company makes revolves around that. Players give themselves far far more credit than we really deserve when it comes to influencing developers. Secondly, an interest in one area does not mean that one lacks interest in others. Sure, I've posted about how I feel about clothes, armor, sexual and race representation in games. I do speak out against over sexualization of women in media. So have some other posters that have spoken for and against the idea in the thread.
Bare in mind, you don't know them. How can you judge their entire ideas and interest regarding social change based upon their interest in a video game forum???
As far as the SJW comments, I've had that causally flung at me a few times. I've also written to my senator to overturn the gay marriage ban; donate to Special Olympics every year on my taxes; vote every year for better education for my local schools as well as the federal education budget; voted for women in the military; voted on stalking and rape laws; getting ready to vote on a new cyberstalking law in the works, already passed by the House of Representatives (here in the US) if it goes through Congress. Which has been endorsed by the House of Representives. I've volunteered for the AIDS Walk several times (mostly in high school.) I also both volunteered and donated to Planned Parenthood.
I did those things because I try to do something about what I strongly believe in. Is that being a "Social Justice Warrior," a useless dismissive term that has more meaning for the folks that use it against others than those are on the receiving end?
You really shouldn't waste your time and energy flinging that term at total strangers because of their interest and preferred topics of conversation on a damned video game board.
You, madam, are my ****** hero.
This isn't exactly my thing, but I can't pass up the joke:This would probably be how all my mage characters turn into abominations.
Dude, how about dropping the whole Social Justice nonsense, okay? For one, not every decision a company makes revolves around that. Players give themselves far far more credit than we really deserve when it comes to influencing developers. Secondly, an interest in one area does not mean that one lacks interest in others. Sure, I've posted about how I feel about clothes, armor, sexual and race representation in games. I do speak out against over sexualization of women in media. So have some other posters that have spoken for and against the idea in the thread.
Bare in mind, you don't know them. How can you judge their entire ideas and interest regarding social change based upon their interest in a video game forum???
As far as the SJW comments, I've had that causally flung at me a few times. I've also written to my senator to overturn the gay marriage ban; donate to Special Olympics every year on my taxes; vote every year for better education for my local schools as well as the federal education budget; voted for women in the military; voted on stalking and rape laws; getting ready to vote on a new cyberstalking law in the works, already passed by the House of Representatives (here in the US) if it goes through Congress. Which has been endorsed by the House of Representives. I've volunteered for the AIDS Walk several times (mostly in high school.) I also both volunteered and donated to Planned Parenthood.
I did those things because I try to do something about what I strongly believe in. Is that being a "Social Justice Warrior," a useless dismissive term that has more meaning for the folks that use it against others than those are on the receiving end?
You really shouldn't waste your time and energy flinging that term at total strangers because of their interest and preferred topics of conversation on a damned video game board.
Haha! That's rich, I give a compliment and for some reason that triggers this barrage.
Bioware and their fans have a strong "social justice" agenda, same as anywhere else, sorry I can't not see that it's there ok? Sure, everyone's a bit different, but it's pretty fair to say there is somewhat of a groundswell around certain topics. Do you have any idea what the founders of the company did first? They were doctors, then, afterwards, they turned to philanthropy, you could argue the company was never about as you say strictly about making video games, but it's probably fair to say it was never not about making video games either. There's no hard division between the social elements and the entertainment thing it's all together from the beginning. Fundamentally, I don't even really have an issue with politics or these things snaking their way into gaming or something,
No, my problem is much more with as far as those "messages" go or whatever, I liked what they were doing earlier better than what they're doing now ok? The "social justice" element was less prominent, whereas now the message is increasingly warped and misbegotten, not one I can respond to, you can freak out all you want about that but it's not going to change a thing. That plays it out for example in this very instance of the popularity of a freaking thread about boobs, one which a million pages ago I wondered "why are these threads so popular?"
It's not one about female character's agency or the course of the plot or the way those weave together. It's not about their prominence in the plot or the role of feminine figures or whatever, it's just about ***s or butt shots or how much skin is showing. It's less about characters, more about sensationalist kinda **** like this.
People don't need to be defended from breasts.
I'm just saying this is not inspiring.
And you know another thing I don't really hate their games or anything either, that would be pretty odd considering I have 3,907 posts. I like Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 the best, then NWN, then some other stuff, than DA:O, etc. I like ME. It didn't really feel like the particular aesthetics were being prioritized in a way that made for these sorts of topics a... topic.
Heck I might even play DA:4, just as I should apparently be more cautious in lumping everyone together, I think you should be more cautious assuming a person's grievance with any particular thing is like this end of the world apocalypse scenario.
If someone criticizes them though here and there it shouldn't be cause for such an outburst I would think....
I mean I think what is inspiring to me isn't really when someone busies themselves with causes or engages in choreographed dances around topics like "objectification of women" and "over-sexed designs" but kind of takes a stand on all the horrible seedy disgusting **** that goes on in the world and uses their own personal moral compass to decide this or that.
But that's just now it happens now, It's all permissive these days though, you can't find people who are just willing to take a stand and I think that's sad.
Actually though to be fair that post wasn't so bad in that sense, it had a lot of passion at least.
Well I was responding to your hidden post, every thing had a reason that I find pretty consistent to be quite honest, but if you don't want to discuss it, fine.
I'm really not your enemy you know? I think people talk back here at some ideas and I get something to go off, that's all it is for me.
Anyway, I talked to my mom about this issue, she said she also fines kinda of over the top provocative stuff not very interesting, but I thought we usually liked the same kinds of things, then, as we talked more, she pointed out that what really determines the reaction is just how the person looks. I think what it is, is simply that people's bodies are a powerful thing, particularly attractive ones, but it's not the clothes that impact that. If someone is crazy thin or otherwise just looks good it's probably going to draw a lot of attention, one way or another. Miley Cyrus for example, they can wear whatever they want, nothing, everything, it's going to transmit the same sort of power regardless, whereas some people, it's the other way around.
I don't know if this point translates perfectly to video games, where you have a sense of reality to care about, but most of the time in reality it's just attractive bodies or people that invoke seriously heated discussions about these issues, the clothes don't have anything to do with it though.
Ultimately I concluded based on all this that it probably just doesn't matter one way or another. It's nice for things to look as cool as possible, sure, I've always messed around with transmogrify in WoW or something, but it's hard to imagine a scenario where prioritizing that kind of thing is going to create a larger grander masterpiece or something.
Guest_Puddi III_*
No one's trying to defend anybody from breasts. We get naked breasts all throughout the romances, and they're great. It's great.
Well what are you guys trying to save us all from exactly? Perhaps not the perversity of breasts but surely the tyranny of cleavage at least? Or the insidious Elder Thing known as the butt shot?
In the absence of a common goal can I at least be saved from people trying to save us from things?
Well what are you guys trying to save us all from exactly? Perhaps not the perversity of breasts but surely the tyranny of cleavage at least? Or the insidious Elder Thing known as the butt shot?
I'm not trying to save you from anything.
In the absence of a common goal can I at least be saved from people trying to save us from things?
Within this forum? That's entirely up to you.
Well what are you guys trying to save us all from exactly? Perhaps not the perversity of breasts but surely the tyranny of cleavage at least? Or the insidious Elder Thing known as the butt shot?
I don't know about anyone else but I just want fictional women to have an appearance that matches their character and their setting, and for those characters to be as interesting and diverse as real women are.
I haven't seen anyone asking games to have oversexualised men and covered women. People who are asked change in gaming industry myself included want female characters to be as covered as male characters in the game or as revealing as they are. The concept really is as simple as this:
Problem is that tanky armor for males are considered norm when ridiculous sexy armor in bottom line is considered norm for female armor. When games wants to do both sexes in full-armors threads like this come asking boob plates and steel bikinis (OP's original request was steel bikini). When game tries to do ridiculous sexy armor for male characters it's redesigned cause some of the players and even devs themselves see ridiculous sexy armor too ridiculous for male character to wear, but keep ridiculous sexy armor for female characters in same game cause it's norm and thus seen as normal instead of ridiculous.
Now what becomes use of words, sexist and racist, it seems like people fear these words. It seems like they are feared like some kind of curse, if someone calls games clothing choices sexist, suddenly that sentences developers of that games forever sexists. I don't use the words like this, because all humans have racist and sexist tendencies at times, often coming from ignorance and not-knowing better, and so humans should look better themselves. I'm more intrested in judging the act than the person and if I see female characters being oversexualised compared to male characters, I think it is sexist. Instead of cursing whole developer team and hating those sexist dudebros or sth, to me it's more like: "This was sexist about the game. Hopefully you see it now that it's pointed out and change it in the future". And even if some people see this as cencorship, it still has changed games for more inclusive and less sexist/inequal, for example Saint Row and Witcher, though some people might still have criticism about them there has still been positive change.
Though since people seem to be afraid of words like sexist and racist, I rather use inequality here. Inequality in terms of clothing for characters of different sexes, inquality in terms of fanservice and so on.
So overall what I'm asking is equality in terms of armor in the game for sexes. If games artstyle is having armor that is ridiculous and sexy then do that for both sexes. Of cource it's possible to mix practicality, sexiness and ridiculousness in the game too and then it should be done according character or their context and what fits to them, DA has done bit of this with Zevran and Isabela compared to Sebastian for example in terms of armor.
I'm not trying to save you from anything.
Ah the silent quip type I see.
Within this forum? That's entirely up to you.
(I'm going to do a Baconer imitation) Well what's up to you is up to god, and ain't nothin but a buck change O dime a muffin gonna rankle that, son. (Damn, I don't think I can do it, I think I just came off as stoned)
I don't know about anyone else but I just want fictional women to have an appearance that matches their character and their setting, and for those characters to be as interesting and diverse as real women are.
I don't know about that I want the women to be amazing, a lot of women in reality (and men too) are pretty pathetic to be honest, no sense in representing things solely for the sake of "diversity."
I know what you mean though, I think at, the same time. Well I don't want to see the exact same types of characters, at any rate.
Problem is that tanky armor for males are considered norm when ridiculous sexy armor in bottom line is considered norm for female armor. When games wants to do both sexes in full-armors threads like this come asking boob plates and steel bikinis (OP's original request was steel bikini). When game tries to do ridiculous sexy armor for male characters it's redesigned cause some of the players and even devs themselves see ridiculous sexy armor too ridiculous for male character to wear, but keep ridiculous sexy armor for female characters in same game cause it's norm and thus seen as normal instead of ridiculous.
Now what becomes use of words, sexist and racist, it seems like people fear these words. It seems like they are feared like some kind of curse, if someone calls games clothing choices sexist, suddenly that sentences developers of that games forever sexists. I don't use the words like this, because all humans have racist and sexist tendencies at times, often coming from ignorance and not-knowing better, and so humans should look better themselves. I'm more intrested in judging the act than the person and if I see female characters being oversexualised compared to male characters, I think it is sexist. Instead of cursing whole developer team and hating those sexist dudebros or sth, to me it's more like: "This was sexist about the game. Hopefully you see it now that it's pointed out and change it in the future". And even if some people see this as cencorship, it still has changed games for more inclusive and less sexist/inequal, for example Saint Row and Witcher, though some people might still have criticism about them there has still been positive change.
Though since people seem to be afraid of words like sexist and racist, I rather use inequality here. Inequality in terms of clothing for characters of different sexes, inquality in terms of fanservice and so on.
So overall what I'm asking is equality in terms of armor in the game for sexes. If games artstyle is having armor that is ridiculous and sexy then do that for both sexes. Of cource it's possible to mix practicality, sexiness and ridiculousness in the game too and then it should be done according character or their context and what fits to them, DA has done bit of this with Zevran and Isabela compared to Sebastian for example in terms of armor.
Well you gave me an answer so +1. I don't think it's sexist to put a character in no clothes, or tons of clothes, I think it's boring (still not sexist) to have women generally not be in positions of great power or posterity in the average video game, but that's it.
Keeping the same position or status or overall story trajectories for (lets say female) characters in video games but simply changing their style of dress is just going to come off as being completely not getting it.
Keeping the same position or status or overall story trajectories for (lets say male) characters in video games but simply changing their style of dress (whether adding on more or less clothes) is equally going to come off as not getting it.
Guest_Puddi III_*
(I'm going to do a Baconer imitation)
Really, you can stop though.
Sadly he won't 
Really, you can stop though.
Really, you can stop though.
Sadly he won't
No I wouldn't say that if I can't find anything interesting than I have no reason to continue conversation.
Would appreciate a lock at this point :/
Why, Panda and I were still going...
Would appreciate a lock at this point :/
Guest_Puddi III_*
Would appreciate a lock at this point :/
I'm honestly surprised it lasted this long for a NotBrevanu thread
Guest_Puddi III_*
Have you downloaded that script yet, though?
It's still bothering me that you're not seeing my avatar properly.
Touhou is kind of disgusting to be honest, pretty cool music though. I kind of don't trust add ons anyway as a general rule though I'm sure it's fine.
I don't know about that I want the women to be amazing, a lot of women in reality (and men too) are pretty pathetic to be honest, no sense in representing things solely for the sake of "diversity."
Well I didn't mean to imply that they shouldn't be amazing, or that diversity was the actual goal. There are plenty of amazing women out there who are more varied than a lot games depict, and it would be nice to see that reflected. Good even.
I'm honestly surprised it lasted this long for a NotBrevanu thread
There was a sexy armour thread a while back that broke 100 pages.
Really though I use Drinkquisiton as something of coal mine canary. If it's still open then the moderation doesn't make a lot of sense.
Really, you can stop though.
No I wouldn't say that if I can't find anything interesting than I have no reason to continue conversation.
Why, Panda and I were still going...
Ehh, I'm a big softie. What you and the other poster are having is at least a discussion, meanwhile you, and some others are doing this...
Really, you can stop though.
Sadly he won't
And from earlier that really agitated me to using ignore features
Ah the silent quip type I see.
If it were silent it wouldn't be a quip :>
I'd say it's more trying to save the devs from believing any of this is a priority, or something to consider dedicating hours of work to. Though, I'm sure they've already made up their minds.
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