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[midnight tea]

That video is Bioware giving themselves a pat on the back for being so progressive while a man that has bigger breasts than all of the girls combined and shirtless as they come is obnoxious about it.

 

"Good on us huh?" Please.

 

Yet he has cultural and personal reasons to be shirtless AND he's made fun of as well.

 

Just like Vivienne has her reasons to have a boob window (proud, vein, image is everything, good clothing is a must, plus she's a Knight-Enchanter - as long as she casts damage, she has infinite magical barrier) or Isabela wears pretty revealing clothing (shes sensuous, comes from climate that's warm and usually finds herself in circumstances that favor light clothing).

Honestly, Iron Bull's chest has been done to death. There's no point hanging to that "argument" like a tick.

[In Exile]

Not at all different honestly, I despise that shtick.

 

Initially I found the Bioware banter a bit too self-congratulatory, but after TW3, I think it isn't meant to be a pat in the back, it's meant to be a wink-wink, nudge-nudge joke about a fantasy trope they're not following. 

 

Anyways, Bull's design it a bit different. Mostly because the game isn't pretending he's wearing functional armor. There are still other issues with the portrayal, but it's not about armour but rather body image messages. 

[TheOgre]

Yet he has cultural and personal reasons to be shirtless AND he's made fun of as well.

 

Just like Vivienne has her reasons to have a boob window (proud, vein, image is everything, good clothing is a must, plus she's a Knight-Enchanter - as long as she casts damage, she has infinite magical barrier) or Isabela wears pretty revealing clothing (shes sensuous, comes from climate that's warm and usually finds herself in circumstances that favor light clothing).

Honestly, Iron Bull's chest has been done to death. There's no point hanging to that "argument" like a tick.

 

Clearly there is when the same word keeps being thrown around.. Practical..

 

Please don't act like this is just a one sided thing.

[midnight tea]

Practicality in a ****** video game where paint makes your skin as hard as iron. Imagine that.

 

Now that's just desperate.

[andy6915]

Practicality in a ****** video game where paint makes your skin as hard as iron. Imagine that.

 

Explained through an actual process. Now explain the process of how metal armor smacking into your sternum because breasts don't do a good job of holding armor in place. With boob plates, merely tripping and falling over and landing on your front half would be enough to kill you. Yeah, armor that can kill you instantly from a mere trip is definitely practical.

 

Face it, your argument completely sucks, you're losing the argument, and the very base of your argument is faulty right out of the gate. You're not even worth arguing because of how stupid your points are.

[TheOgre]

Now that's just desperate.

 

Welcome to the long awaited ignore.

[andy6915]

Anyways, Bull's design it a bit different. Mostly because the game isn't pretending he's wearing functional armor. There are still other issues with the portrayal, but it's not about armour but rather body image messages. 

 

And in my game, realistically enough, he drops in combat waaaay faster than Cassandra or Blackwall do. Guy with a bare chest goes down a lot faster than the ones with practical armor? Well that's... Pretty much expected.

[In Exile]

Whenever I heard "skin as hard as iron", all I can think of is this guy:

 

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[TheOgre]

Explained through an actual process. Now explain the process of how metal armor smacking into your sternum because breasts don't do a good job of holding armor in place. With boob plates, merely tripping and falling over and landing on your front half would be enough to kill you. Yeah, armor that can kill you instantly from a mere trip is definitely practical.

 

Face it, your argument completely sucks, you're losing the argument, and the very base of your argument is faulty right out of the gate. You're not even worth arguing because of how stupid your points are.

 

 

No -- it doesn't. If warriors can get away with wielding partial leather, chainweave mail and have their big arms exposed without getting them decapitated in battle, i.e., Bull, practical is just an excuse.

[In Exile]

And in my game, realistically enough, he drops in combat waaaay faster than Cassandra or Blackwall do. Guy with a bare chest goes down a lot faster than the ones with practical armor? Well that's... Pretty much expected.

 

That's usually because a 2H warrior is pretty weak on the guard-building, because shield wall is a bit broken. You can avoid that by going deep into the Vanguard tree, which you need to do anyway for nightmare. Avoid war cry (this is what people use to draw a lot of aggro and that's what gets the 2H slaughtered, since it's an off-tank build without going deep in vanguard) and instead go for unbowed.

[andy6915]

If qunari vitaar hardens the skin, I'm totally cool with a shirtless qunari female companion.

No ulterior motives here.

 

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After extensive study of the Qunari specimens you kindly provided, I've come to the conclusion that the painted markings on their face and body are not, in fact, solely for ceremonial purpose, but provide a practical benefit. Oh, I'm certain there is some cultural significance to the patterns and colors they choose, but the Qunari do nothing without purpose, yes?

 

They call these markings "vitaar," which in their tongue means "poison armor." It's called this because the markings are magical in nature and actually harden their skin to an iron-like quality without hindering flexibility, and my analysis says the paint consists largely of poison. It's mixed with something else—blood, perhaps their own?—and that neutralizes the poison, but only for one with Qunari physiology. Anyone else would perish almost instantly (which reminds me: I'll kindly require another body slave). The process activates the magical qualities of the poison, which provides the protective effects, almost in the same manner that lyrium runes do.

 

How this works, and whether it can be used for our purposes, will require further study. Perhaps some live specimens this time?

 

—From a letter written by Nameria Origanus, apprentice to Magister Varas, Dragon 9:32

 

http://dragonage.wik...x_entry:_Vitaar

[In Exile]

No -- it doesn't. If warriors can get away with wielding partial leather, chainweave mail and have their big arms exposed without getting them decapitated in battle, i.e., Bull, practical is just an excuse.

 

This worked pretty well for most people back in the day:

 

 

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Also, wait, "arms exposed" => "decapitated in battle"? What? 

[Panda]

If qunari vitaar hardens the skin, I'm totally cool with a shirtless qunari female companion.

No ulterior motives here.

 

What we haven't seen from qunari women they aren't actually shirtless, but have cloth around breasts.

 

[andy6915]

No -- it doesn't. If warriors can get away with wielding partial leather, chainweave mail and have their big arms exposed without getting them decapitated in battle, i.e., Bull, practical is just an excuse.

He's qunari. Qunari have very strong flesh to start with, they can take more with a bare torso than someone with actual armor can. A small army of shirtless qunari wearing simple pants nearly took over Kirkwall, blades don't effect them as much as humans and other races. And the vitaar just makes them even more durable. You don't seem to get that qunari are basically the krogan of DA. A qunari can get hit with a steel sword and maybe have a bruise to show for it.

[Grieving Natashina]

As long as you know.

But really, though. Fair enough.

My own husband lovingly teases me for it.  When I tell him that I know I'm a sofite, he tells me "Yeah, but you're my softie."

 

 

That's usually because a 2H warrior is pretty weak on the guard-building, because shield wall is a bit broken. You can avoid that by going deep into the Vanguard tree, which you need to do anyway for nightmare. Avoid war cry (this is what people use to draw a lot of aggro and that's what gets the 2H slaughtered, since it's an off-tank build without going deep in vanguard) and instead go for unbowed.

The other thing I do is make armor with a lot of constitution on it.  I forgo strength for con for his armor, because he can get strength bonuses from his tree and from his crafted weapons.

 

Depending upon how lucky I get with the Fade-Touched drops, I usually stick a "Guard on Hit" for Bull.  Even the Fade-Touched Iron (3 per hit) can help a great deal.  Also, heal on kill, a guard belt (even if it's the blue one) and+ to healing helps a bunch too.

[TheOgre]

He's qunari. Qunari have very strong flesh to start with, they can take more with a bare torso than someone with actual armor can. A small army of shirtless qunari wearing simple pants nearly took over Kirkwall, blades don't effect them as much as humans and other races. And the vitaar just makes them even more durable. You don't seem to get that qunari are basically the krogan of DA. A qunari can get hit with a steel sword and maybe have a bruise to show for it.

 

Where is his Vitaar then? If he's so practical, shouldn't be be wearing it at the exposed points? We're talking about safety after all aren't we?

[Steelcan]

Guard on hit is proof the Maker exists and loves us all

[In Exile]

The other thing I do is make armor with a lot of constitution on it.  Depending upon how lucky I get with the Fade-Touched drops, I usually stick a "Guard on Hit" for Bull.  Even the Fade-Touched Iron (3 per hit) can help a great deal.  Also, heal on kill and % healing helps a bunch too.

 

Constitution affects guard, so it's actually a good investment. That applies for mages, too. A KE can tank even better with +5 guard on hit, silverite warrior armour (for +% resistances, + CON for extra guard) and auto-regen barrier. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Guard on hit is proof the Maker exists and loves us all

For extra fun, grab that and Walking Fortress @ 10% chance on hit.  Between that and barrier, that's a nice way to make sure your mages are almost never touched again for very much damage.  

 

For Bull, if I'm super lucky with my drops, Guard on hit for the weapon, and Walking Fortress for the armor.   Use the arm and leg slots for resistances and you'll have a Charging Bull.    

 

Otherwise, Guard on the armor, lots of con (some does go into the weapon,) a guard belt and arm/leg slots for resistances and he's more than ready to fight dragons. 

[In Exile]

Where is his Vitaar then? If he's so practical, shouldn't be be wearing it at the exposed points? We're talking about safety after all aren't we?

You'll notice his tattoos change. I think that's meant to represent the vitaar. As the facepaint shows it's clearly a mix of decorative and non-decorative (unless you think the non-painted parts are just exposed flesh). 

[andy6915]

Where is his Vitaar then? If he's so practical, shouldn't be be wearing it at the exposed points? We're talking about safety after all aren't we?

He's not totally naked you know. He could have an entire freaking vitaar tattoo from his waist all the way to his toes for all we know. Hell, with that much vitaar he probably could get away with having a bare chest, his skin will be like silverite or something. Vitaar makes all their skin harden, not just the skin exactly where it's applied. He could put it on just his damned penis and get the defense boost from it.

[TheOgre]

This worked pretty well for most people back in the day:

 

 

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Also, wait, "arms exposed" => "decapitated in battle"? What? 

The big shield and their formations helped keep them safe. Han pointed out that in greek culture they cared about aesthetics even when it came to battle. I liked this kind of armor myself.

 

As for the second part, he's usually getting hacked on by men with swords, spears, and other sharp things like claws and what have you. I'm pointing out that if this is all about practicality, he sucks on his own preaching.

[andy6915]

The big shield and their formations helped keep them safe. Han pointed out that in greek culture they cared about aesthetics even when it came to battle. I liked this kind of armor myself.

 

As for the second part, he's usually getting hacked on by men with swords, spears, and other sharp things like claws and what have you. I'm pointing out that if this is all about practicality, he sucks on his own preaching.

 

At least a bare chest means no broken sternums unless a guy with a greathammer nails him in the exact right spot. A bare chest is arguably safer than armor with boob points.