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#1701
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It IS an issue when writers/developers work for years to establish the world (through games, books, comics, etc) and then stop caring about its internal consistency whatsoever. That's NOT how effective storytelling works. You can't just introduce things on a whim, especially if they don't fit the established world at all, just like you suddenly don't add the fifth wheel (mounted sideways) to a car.

 

I mean, it would be as silly to try and force-introduce the magic system from DA into Fairy-Tail. I mean... what for? It makes no sense.

 

The whole world was introduced on a whim. DG or whoever at Bioware was like welp how about this? Witcher's never existed, it was by definition a creation of some kind, therefore, by your logic, it was silly for Andrzej Sapkowski, to introduce elements of Slavic history into a book about fantasy. You might as well get rid of magic entirely, it's not real, none of these things are real.

 

The only reason you wouldn't do one thing or another is because it wouldn't make the game fun (which I find hard to believe, DA is frequently too conservative IMO).

 

No, they wouldn't and both you and I know that if suddenly DA4 was released in a "full blown anime style", people will be screaming "BETRAYAL!" or at least asking "Where the hell did that come from?". 

 

I mean, they can have an anime featurette or maybe even a separate short story - they've done that already after all with "Dawn Of The Seeker" didn't they? (from what I heard, it doesn't have a good reputation).

 

But adopting anime style and - to be more specific - bombastic and over-the-top style of drawing or storytelling of Hiro Mishima to a main game with its continued story-line or plot elements, for no rhyme or reason, would be a recipe for disaster.

Berserk is unique, even among anime. But even if Berserk is similar to GOTY compared to OTHER anime, it still is told in a Japanese way. Mind you, I'm not saying that it's a bad way - just different. Detail-wise, they focus on somewhat different elements, different ways of telling the story and different things that matter for target (in case of Berserk, Japanese) audience. There are too many differences even between Berserk and DA, and many, MANY more differences between DA and FairyTail.

 

Various JRPGs are also even more similar to DA or GotY, as I mentioned, Ogre Battle, I mean you haven't played it obviously but it certainly exists. Also the connection between Fairy Tail and DA isn't that dissimilar at all still, such as having a plot focused on the indomitable rise of a superhero, guilds, knights, the similarities all over the place, left and right.

 

Everything tells the same story, really, one way or another.

 

.... That's not a good enough reason to introduce it to DA -_- Like, AT ALL. As far as we know there are no Superman-like superhumans in DA, nor there's any indication that Superman-like beings wouldn't be anything other than lore-breaking.

 

The Archdemon? Andraste? The Maker? Plenty of super powerful things, they're all over the place actually, it's a struggle to find anything that isn't super powered.

 

If DA wanted to find a way to introduce Fairy Tail style everything or combine the two it's totally possible, if they wanted to, of course.

 

In fact I'm pretty sure at any point they could just have The Maker come down and go "We're doing this over!" Bam, now you can do anything you want out of nowhere.

 

I'm not sure who the equivalent entity is in TW, perhaps the djinns or something.

 

It's the same in Warcraft, there's a bajillion Titan gods and they can do essentially anything they want whenever they want.

 

If you really wanted to I'm sure you could combine Sailor Moon, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, with Fairy Tail and Berserk.



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Are we still talking about Armour. I don't say we should make DA anime. Well it would be nice. (And from what I read people have no idea what anime is) Anime have different genres same as moves. people say they don't want DA to be "anime" is like saying Game of thrones and Flash are the same think. They both TV shows.

What I want is armor selection. Because everyone want armor to be exactly as they want, well it's normal. I wish all armor would be like I like.



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Are we still talking about Armour. I don't say we should make DA anime. Well it would be nice.

 

Isn't that pretty much what they tried with Dawn of the Seeker... and it just ended up being really, really bad?


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Yeah, but I doubt it's bad because of the art style, though I don't really care for that part either. 



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The whole world was introduced on a whim. DG or whoever at Bioware was like welp how about this? Witcher's never existed, it was by definition a creation of some kind, therefore, by your logic, it was silly for Andrzej Sapkowski, to introduce elements of Slavic history into a book about fantasy. You might as well get rid of magic entirely, it's not real, none of these things are real.

 

Kefka, you're thinking in very strange, broad categories that do nothing other than derail the topic. Nobody will take you seriously if you'd keep saying things like that - try to think a bit realistically about things, please.

 

Also no, DA is not a world "introduced on a whim" - it's a well-established AAA multi-media franchise that's been more than 10+ years in the making, which included establishing and developing the setting things take place in and rules that govern it.

 

Same with Witcher, GOTY or LOTR - the fact that "they're not real" is irrelevant. If you want to have a good story, you have to provide something that contains some sort of internal consistency and introducing things in it "on a whim" that break that consistency is the best recipe for RUINING the story.

 

Various JRPGs are also even more similar to DA or GotY, as I mentioned, Ogre Battle, I mean you haven't played it obviously but it certainly exists. Also the connection between Fairy Tail and DA isn't that dissimilar at all still, such as having a plot focused on the indomitable rise of a superhero, guilds, knights, the similarities all over the place, left and right.

 
Everything tells the same story, really, one way or another.
 
You have to stop with these super-broad generalizations. Many American comic superhero tales are also about the rise of guilds, organizations, superheroes or knights, but nobody in their right mind would be - suddenly and inexplicably - introducing frikking BATMAN or Avengers into Dragonage, just because their tales center around similar themes (well, nobody, except perhaps some fanfiction writers...).
 
Different settings, different internal rules, different stories. End of story.

 

The Archdemon? Andraste? The Maker? Plenty of super powerful things, they're all over the place actually, it's a struggle to find anything that isn't super powered.

 

You can't be serious in even suggesting that either Archdemon or Andraste have powers similar to that of Superman - I mean, Andraste fighting Archdemon or The Maker "Superman-style" or maybe fighting-game style might be a hilarious idea for a satirical cartoon, but not for any sort of semi-serious story...

 

 

If DA wanted to find a way to introduce Fairy Tail style everything or combine the two it's totally possible, if they wanted to, of course.

 

I bet Mount Everest made of gold that nobody in DA even considers such possibility. They'd be crazy if they did.

 

 

 

What I want is armor selection. Because everyone want armor to be exactly as they want, well it's normal. I wish all armor would be like I like.

 

Yeah, but don't give mangas like FairyTail as example, where even the creator of manga says that usually he forgets what he dressed his heroine into and just makes stuff up as he goes -_-

 

Plus, we've been through this already - putting more choice or options into game is not something that can be done at a snap of fingers.


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Kefka, you're thinking in very strange, broad categories that do nothing other than they derail the topic. Nobody will take you seriously if you'd keep saying things like that - try to think a bit realistically about things, please.

 

Also no, DA is not a world "introduced on a whim" - it's a well-established AAA multi-media franchise who's been more than 10+ years in the making, which included establishing and developing the setting things take place in and rules that govern it.

 

Same with Witcher, GOTY or LOTR - the fact that "they're not real" is irrelevant. If you want to have a good story, you have to provide something that contains some sort of internal consistency and introducing things in it "on a whim" that break that consistency is the best recipe for RUINING the story.

 

 
You have to stop with these super-broad generalizations. Many American comic superhero tales are also about the rise of guilds, organizations, superheroes or knights, but nobody in their right mind would be - suddenly and inexplicably - introducing frikking BATMAN or Avengers into Dragonage, just because their tales center around similar themes (well, nobody, except perhaps some fanfiction writers...).
 
Different settings, different internal rules, different stories. End of story.

 

 

You can't be serious in even suggesting that either Archdemon or Andraste have powers similar to that of Superman - I mean, Andraste fighting Archdemon or The Maker "Superman-style" or maybe fighting-game style might be a hilarious idea for a satirical cartoon, but not for any sort of semi-serious story...

 

 

 

I bet Mount Everest made of gold that nobody in DA even considers such possibility. They'd be crazy if they did.

 

 

 

Yeah, but don't give mangas like FairyTail as example, where even the creator of manga says that usually he forgets what he dressed his heroine into and just makes stuff up as he goes -_-

 

Plus, we've been through this already - putting more choice or options into game is not something that can be done at a snap of fingers.

 

There is nothing in DA lore anywhere that contradicts the notion the Maker can do basically anything he/she wants, literally, anything.

 

The spiritual predecessor to Dragon Age was Baldur's Gate, where iconic characters were created as jokes in a D&D campaign somewhere in Canada randomly. This is just how it works, people make stuff up, at some point, that's all it is, and there is complete freedom to make it however they wish. What you call a well-established AAA multi-media franchise 10 years in the making, was originally some geeks/nerds in Canada being hilarious and silly minded.

 

Anyway, you can have magic blazing out of everyone with chaos and tons Ezra dressed like a super saiyan or whatever and it can be completely internally consistent at the same time. It's not either/or at all.

 

I don't mean to make conflict or anything here, but I just can't help but notice... this does not seem to quite fit..



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Isn't that pretty much what they tried with Dawn of the Seeker... and it just ended up being really, really bad?

I loved Dawn of the Seeker.


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I loved Dawn of the Seeker.

 

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I like FT for their art. But I wish their story had a bit more substance to it. Kind of hard when Natsu just uses "The power of friendship" and OHKO's massive enemies.

Well, More then the power of friendship he gets often power-ups in th middle of the final battle of the arc :P.
Though on this topic the last chapters Are promising.

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There is nothing in DA lore anywhere that contradicts the notion the Maker can do basically anything he/she wants, literally, anything.

 

 

There's the whole bit about how it's likely that the Maker doesn't actually exist.


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There's the whole bit about how it's likely that the Maker doesn't actually exist.


Even If he exists, I doubt he'd be like people in Thedas believe he is.

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Anyway, you can have magic blazing out of everyone with chaos and tons Ezra dressed like a super saiyan or whatever and it can be completely internally consistent at the same time. It's not either/or at all.

 

It can be completely internally consistent.... for crazy fanfiction. Not for serious franchise/series that has any sort of ambition to tell a coherent story.



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Even If he exists, I doubt he'd be like people in Thedas believe he is.

 

Or she.

 

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Even If he exists, I doubt he'd be like people in Thedas believe he is.

 

I'm pretty sure that he/she wouldn't, considering that we're already being introduced to beings believed to be "gods" by some cultures.... and while they might yet be quite powerful, none of them is OP (nor fly everywhere like Superman or have lasers for eyes... or do elaborate martial arts that can level cities).


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Or she.
 
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Indeed :).
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There's the whole bit about how it's likely that the Maker doesn't actually exist.

 

likely is enough space.

 

It can be completely internally consistent.... for crazy fanfiction. Not for serious franchise/series that has any sort of ambition to tell a coherent story.

 

You want your stories to be consistent, I get it. There's also nothing preventing changing it up though...



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Serious, serious? DA and TW are rife with jokes and absurdity left and right, I would hardly call them "serious" franchises.

 

Yeah, and half of Shakespeare's bibliography consists of tragedies, yet he's known for putting d**k jokes into practically all of his work, as well as inventing the yo mama joke. It's comic relief to ease tension.


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Yeah, and half of Shakespeare's bibliography consists of tragedies, and he's known for putting d**k jokes into practically all of his work, as well as inventing the yo mama joke. It's comic relief to ease tension.

 

I didn't actually say whether that was good or bad, just that they weren't very serious all the time.



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Yeah, and half of Shakespeare's bibliography consists of tragedies, yet he's known for putting d**k jokes into practically all of his work, as well as inventing the yo mama joke. It's comic relief to ease tension.

 

Tbf, the humour in DA does seem to be a bit heavy handed and shoehorned in at every opportunity. Sometimes it feels like the writers feel the need to show everyone how funny they are more so than they have the desire to write a good, coherent story. DA2 was the biggest offender here by a mile. Obviously there's a place for jokes and humour, but personally I do think that it takes away from other aspects of the story when there's so much of it. Undermining the impact villains or (what are supposed to be) emotional scenes.



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Lol reading this thread reminds me of this picture 

 

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Even If he exists, I doubt he'd be like people in Thedas believe he is.

 

He does exist. Hence how Leliana got resurrected.


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Tbf, the humour in DA does seem to be a bit heavy handed and shoehorned in at every opportunity. Sometimes it feels like the writers feel the need to show everyone how funny they are more so than they have the desire to write a good, coherent story. DA2 was the biggest offender here by a mile. Obviously there's a place for jokes and humour, but personally I do think that it takes away from other aspects of the story when there's so much of it. Undermining the impact villains or (what are supposed to be) emotional scenes.

 

Eh, I find a lot of it was more Hawke's doing if you chose to make a joke out of everything, especially since autodialogue varied because of it. A diplomatic or aggressive Hawke made the game a fair bit more serious, though I generally refuse to play as either. 



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Eh, I find a lot of it was more Hawke's doing if you chose to make a joke out of everything, especially since autodialogue varied because of it. A diplomatic or aggressive Hawke made the game a fair bit more serious, though I generally refuse to play as either. 

 

I'd agree with that. Whilst player choice is a big part of it, many of the companions don't seem to have an off switch either. The vast majority of banter is comedic, and characters like Isabella and Varric can't seem to get through a conversation without being snarky or making jokes outright, and bad fourth wall-breaking jokes at that. The banter has been like this in all three games. If Bioware want to make a high fantasy comedy, then they should market it as such. Not as a gritty epic.


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Lol reading this thread reminds me of this picture 

 

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This picture reminds me of seven deadly sins especially greed. :lol: Coryfish like greed just Ban don't need body jumping.

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This picture reminds me of seven deadly sins especially greed. :lol: Coryfish like greed just Ban don't need body jumping.

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Pfft, the Fullmetal Alchemist franchise's Seven Deadly Sins characters are way better than these ones.  B)


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