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[Dai Grepher]

Leliana. That is all.

[Grieving Natashina]

"...is in love with the Warden, or is not interested in romance right now." 

 

Time to let that Inquisitor/Leliana ship go.  I've had to burn my own ships.  It sucks, but there will be others.  

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

For the purposes of this thread, we'll go with a she.  I would love having this role for a female character, to be honest.  It's a little weird, but it's creative.  Ooh, this would be the perfect chance to bring back Desire Demons.  The reason why I think they aren't in the game is that Desire Demons aren't known for being confrontational.  They prefer to quietly manulipate people and fight only when they have to.  I really believe that's the reason why Desire Demons aren't around in DA:I, not due to some "agenda"  The next game could introduce more subtle intrigue versus a straight Champion of the World story, and that would be the perfect time to bring those demons back.  

 

Unfortunately, your idea about a demon falling in love with the PC might not fly so well.  The idea of the PC being too much of a "special snowflake" comes up often, and a demon falling in love with the PC might cross too much into that with some people.  

 

However, the introduction of Cole into the series shows that there could be room for some grey with this spirit/demon.  A particularly memorable codex entry for me was someone talking about how a spirit of Love got corrupted by their desire for that spirit.  I remember it, because it would pop up as a loading screen codex quite a bit.

 

Redeeming a spirit wouldn't be out of the question.  How it ties into your werewolf idea, I'm not sure.  Maybe a spirit of Love that became divided and corrupted, turning a person's desire for acceptance and belonging into something monstrous?  While the other part seeks redemption?  I don't want it to be too much of a clone of Nature of the Beast, but I think it's a concept worth revisiting.  Any lack of creativity regarding this is on me.  I'm just tossing out some ideas.

 

This is the most fun, "Can straight men get more options" thread I've been in a very long time.  

 

That's true, it would take a lot of tact and thought to make that work without making the PC the "Mary Sue/Gary Stu who everyone in the world has the hots for! Donut steal!"

 

I just don't think it could work if used at the same time as the Avvar werewolf companion. Two demon/spirit-related companions at once? An odd coincidence, unless the next iteration somehow has a lot of Fade involvement without feeling shoehorned. Prior to DAI, each game's had just one spirit-related companion. Wynne with her spirit of faith in DAO, Justice in Awakening, and Anders with Justice in DA2. But then we get DAI with Cole, Cassie with her spirit of faith, and who the hell knows what Egg really is?

 

This makes me realize that there seem to be many types of possession. There's possession where a spirit could still interact with you somehow, possession where a spirit just blends into you (like Anders), possession which turns one into an abomination, and possession where the spirit resides within you peacefully without ever communicating with you (Wynne, Cassie). The last one is how my idea of the Avvar is. The spirit is a mystery to him/her, and they've never interacted, possibly save for dreams? The demon possessing the mage lady could be a case where it blends together for so long that the original person is completely gone (whether the demon realizes that or not) and it's just the demon remaining in what is essentially a husk. So, I guess taking different forms of possession into account, who knows? Something like this could work. Maybe the last shred of humanity (or... elf-ity???) could leave some kind of impact on the demon, making it feel things it's not used to?

[Abelas Forever!]

It's true that female Inquisitors can choose from 6 LIs if female Inquisitor is a female elf. If female inquisitor is a human then she can choose from 5 options. If female inquisitor is a qunari or a dwarf then she can choose from 4 options. But then again the person who is playing the game has all the romance options available.

I'm interested in romancing male LIs so when I think about possible options to me when I'm playing as female inquisitor I wouldn't say that I have 6 options to choose from because I'm not interested in romancing female characters and to me  the LI's gender does matter. I mean if the gender of the PC is only taken into consideration then ME2 is quite balanced what comes to romances because both genders have 3 LIs to choose from and one extra romance (Kelly).

Cullen and Solas are also extra romances and there is less romantic content in their romances than in other romances. When you are romancing male LIs then there is greater risk that the romance can end and you can't do anything about that (Thane, Jacob) or that there are huge obstacles in romances (DR in romancing Alistair, Anders' actions, Blackwall's actions). Not to mention Solas. Allthough I think that there is still hope to get him back. There is also that Adamant decision with romanced Alistair and Hawke. It's possible that the one who was left behind don't die but I wouldn't count on that. So it's possible that either of your romances (warden and Alistair or Hawke and his/her LI) will end there and you can't do anything about it. When comparing only numbers then those aspects are not taken into consideration and at least to me it's very important to achieve a happy ending in a romance.

I think that everyone should have options and if the options are equal the better. But I don't see that there is a huge problem if one gender gets more options than the other gender. I would rather have extra options for a PC with a certain gender instead of the possibility that there aren't those options at all.

Because I like romancing male characters then I would say that I can choose from 5 options in DAI (Blackwall, IB, Cullen, Solas, Dorian) I would have been happy even if Cullen and Solas would have been available only for male inquisitors.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

It's true that female Inquisitors can choose from 6 LIs if female Inquisitor is a female elf. If female inquisitor is a human then she can choose from 5 options. If female inquisitor is a qunari or a dwarf then she can choose from 4 options. But then again the person who is playing the game has all the romance options available.

I'm interested in romancing male LIs so when I think about possible options to me when I'm playing as female inquisitor I wouldn't say that I have 6 options to choose from because I'm not interested in romancing female characters and to me  the LI's gender does matter. I mean if the gender of the PC is only taken into consideration then ME2 is quite balanced what comes to romances because both genders have 3 LIs to choose from and one extra romance (Kelly).

Cullen and Solas are also extra romances and there is less romantic content in their romances than in other romances. When you are romancing male LIs then there is greater risk that the romance can end and you can't do anything about that (Thane, Jacob) or that there are huge obstacles in romances (DR in romancing Alistair, Anders' actions, Blackwall's actions). Not to mention Solas. Allthough I think that there is still hope to get him back. There is also that Adamant decision with romanced Alistair and Hawke. It's possible that the one who was left behind don't die but I wouldn't count on that. So it's possible that either of your romances (warden and Alistair or Hawke and his/her LI) will end there and you can't do anything about it. When comparing only numbers then those aspects are not taken into consideration and at least to me it's very important to achieve a happy ending in a romance.

I think that everyone should have options and if the options are equal the better. But I don't see that there is a huge problem if one gender gets more options than the other gender. I would rather have extra options for a PC with a certain gender instead of the possibility that there aren't those options at all.

Because I like romancing male characters then I would say that I can choose from 5 options in DAI (Blackwall, IB, Cullen, Solas, Dorian) I would have been happy even if Cullen and Solas would have been available only for male inquisitors.

 

That's an optimistic way of looking at it; I like it! Thanks for your input! Indeed, an imbalance is infinitely better than having virtually no choice in the matter.

[Kulyok]

Thing is, it could've been the worst game for female characters(and in some way, for female players like me) in Dragon Age Series.

 

Why? Because default male romance options for female characters were Blackwall and Iron Bull. Aka "Hi, I'm a bland guy with a beard, and I ordered a few kids killed, nothing to worry about" and "I'm going to go top BDSM on you, and AFTERWARDS we're going to talk about it. Oh, and my mercenary band? We cut helpless people's throats".

 

Neither of them was conveniently attractive, and neither was a romantic option that would appeal to general audience. Personally, I can't in good conscience say Blackwall was well-written, either.

 

So originally, if a girl like me, who wasn't interested in romancing females at all, entered the scene, her char had to choose between Blackwall and Iron Bull.

 

No one else.

 

Cullen was a godsend. Solas was a gift from the gods. They are normal, conveniently attractive, well-written characters with "good cliche" backgrounds(a good person fighting an addiction and trying to overcome his bias; a "fallen angel" type who's done things for the greater good with tragic consequences). But without Solas romance and/or Cullen romance? This may be bold, but I think many girls would've never replayed the game again. I myself would certainly consider it a disappointment, re-roll a male character and go for Cassandra once, and that would be it.

 

So, yeah, female characters got lucky in this game, but they could've been very, very unlucky. Solas and Cullen were last-minute choices, and only because development time was extended - a kingly gift.

[Mihura]

Well that is really bad, the PG-13 thing. Got to say I am surprised but after some really shitty comments about female turians and Asari.. well what is one more.

 

[Tayah]

That's true, it would take a lot of tact and thought to make that work without making the PC the "Mary Sue/Gary Stu who everyone in the world has the hots for! Donut steal!"

 

I just don't think it could work if used at the same time as the Avvar werewolf companion. Two demon/spirit-related companions at once? An odd coincidence, unless the next iteration somehow has a lot of Fade involvement without feeling shoehorned. Prior to DAI, each game's had just one spirit-related companion. Wynne with her spirit of faith in DAO, Justice in Awakening, and Anders with Justice in DA2. But then we get DAI with Cole, Cassie with her spirit of faith, and who the hell knows what Egg really is?

 

This makes me realize that there seem to be many types of possession. There's possession where a spirit could still interact with you somehow, possession where a spirit just blends into you (like Anders), possession which turns one into an abomination, and possession where the spirit resides within you peacefully without ever communicating with you (Wynne, Cassie). The last one is how my idea of the Avvar is. The spirit is a mystery to him/her, and they've never interacted, possibly save for dreams? The demon possessing the mage lady could be a case where it blends together for so long that the original person is completely gone (whether the demon realizes that or not) and it's just the demon remaining in what is essentially a husk. So, I guess taking different forms of possession into account, who knows? Something like this could work. Maybe the last shred of humanity (or... elf-ity???) could leave some kind of impact on the demon, making it feel things it's not used to?

Just to throw a few more... complications/opportunities into the mix there are also the Rivaini seers who allow themselves to be possessed by various spirits for what time length we don't really know, so perhaps a Rivaini seer would make an interesting companion who could shed light on their traditions as well as access a few different types of 'spirits' throughout the game, seers are usually (always?) female from what I remember.

 

Also werewolves existed before and independently of Zathrian's curse, depending on the codex entries either a female or male Cousland ancestor set up watches and tactics to protect Highever from them and gained the loyalty of the other nobles for doing so thus becoming a Teyrn in the first place. Since we don't know how or why werewolves in this or other areas come about it is also likely more exist or could exist in other wild areas of Thedas. It may or may not involve spirits for all we know... and I said spirits because it could be spirits not demons as the lady of the forest was a spirit when Zathrian called her... even as Witherfang she was a vengeful spirit rather than say a rage demon according to those around her and Zathrian... or that's how I remember it anyway.  

 

@Nat, I think the reason it's a fun thread may be because the OP is looking for equal options for everyone not just straight men and he's throwing ideas out there for all options. He also wanted more male options for his male characters after all. I get that, I'd like more female options for my female characters too.  

 

I'm enjoying your thread OP though I'd mention that as a lesbian character my options match those of a gay male character though I get Josephine and Sera... so yeah, an advisor and a brat. I like Josie but I feel like she's underdeveloped and Sera is just too much crazy for me in a romance so... quality and quantity equality would be nice. And as Natashina and others have said the big imbalance of genders lead to it being this way which I figured when they confirmed the final companions, though really it would have been the perfect opportunity to give gay males another option at least especially when you're adding in extra romances anyway. 

[Grieving Natashina]

@Nat, I think the reason it's a fun thread may be because the OP is looking for equal options for everyone not just straight men and he's throwing ideas out there for all options. He also wanted more male options for his male characters after all. I get that, I'd like more female options for my female characters too.

 

It's the lack of the "Me Gimmie Mine" mentality that is coming from much everyone in the thread that has made this a kick in the pants for me.   No one's being demanding, just tossing out ideas.  It's a nice constrast to one of the other threads I was debating in tonight.  Those folks are civil too, but this is a little less heated.  My inner lore nerd is pleased.  

[Terodil]

This thread has taken a great turn!

 

I don't have a lot of time right now but I wanted to raise an issue that would haunt any kind of 'possessed LI' setup: We would have certain groups campaign against it for being 'rapy'. After all, the possessed person cannot really consent.

 

Note that I don't agree with that assessment at all. But given Bioware's recent track record of shooting themselves in the foot pre-emptively rather than risking another one of 'those' controversies, I don't think it would happen. Sadly. I think it would be a great concept that invites discussion and evokes emotions.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Out of all the possible things to find, after a small break from the forums, a civil discussion on LIs was definately not what I expected.

 

Wow.

[Grieving Natashina]

Out of all the possible things to find, after a small break from the forums, a civil discussion on LIs was definately not what I expected.

 

Wow.

It's awesome, isn't it.    Full of some creative lore ideas too!

[TevinterSupremacist]

It's awesome, isn't it.    Full of some creative lore ideas too!

Ya, and I have to say, the length, effort, etc of your posts has been admireable.

[Grieving Natashina]

Ya, and I have to say, the length, effort, etc of your posts has been admireable.

I've really enjoyed it.  Threads like this remind me why I hang out on the forums.  

[eyezonlyii]

This thread has taken a great turn!

 

I don't have a lot of time right now but I wanted to raise an issue that would haunt any kind of 'possessed LI' setup: We would have certain groups campaign against it for being 'rapy'. After all, the possessed person cannot really consent.

 

Note that I don't agree with that assessment at all. But given Bioware's recent track record of shooting themselves in the foot pre-emptively rather than risking another one of 'those' controversies, I don't think it would happen. Sadly. I think it would be a great concept that invites discussion and evokes emotions.

Maybe that could be part of the arc? Eventually the possessing entity (either spirit or demon) gets exposed (during the scene that would normally qualify as the sex scene) thus leading to the choice to either exorcise the entity and freein the person, or continue on with the romance as is. It would definitely lead to a daker game.

[Felya87]

I must admit one thing: I know and I'm more than ok for straight female protagonist to have less romance in the next game (this time was an exception, I'm more than aware) but I hope for the next time to not have heartbreaking romances. I'm a little bored of having or my character heartbroken or having to carefully metagame the romance I choose. 

 

Even in DAI half the romances are still in the heartbreak road (not as much as ME3, luckily). Solas and Blackwall.

Is not that much noticeable this time, since the romance for straight female are four (at least for the elves) but without Cullen and Solas, even this time the straight female would have endend up with the most heartbreaking/sad/morally challanger decisions to make romance.

 

I hope in the next game, less romances for straight female ok, is right. One time luck for me, one time for others (and as long as the LI are good characters, I will still enjoy them with the "right" protagonist ). But I would be happy if for once the "saddest romance" go towards others (if there must but an inavoidable heartbreak at all.).   just for once. please. I'd like to play my preferred combo (female PC romance guys) without the "I'm going to be sad or doing something terrible just to keep my virtual boyfriend alive/not breaking up with me, IF I have the option at all".

 

At least this time there aren't dead wifes/sons/sisters/lovers around (is already a big step forward), but I actually remember just Garrus and Cullen as the only romance where "everything go well if I don't decide myself to break up" and without past lovers/dead persons, etc. (I don't think the crush on the mage Warden can be seen as an ex relationship)

 

Sorry, I had to say it, since after having to endure every sadness from Carth (first time I noticed a romance in a BioWare game) I am a little tired of the trend  .

But thinking back, is more something that can be actually applied to male LI in general, since many are/were bisexual.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

Thing is, it could've been the worst game for female characters(and in some way, for female players like me) in Dragon Age Series.

 

Why? Because default male romance options for female characters were Blackwall and Iron Bull. Aka "Hi, I'm a bland guy with a beard, and I ordered a few kids killed, nothing to worry about" and "I'm going to go top BDSM on you, and AFTERWARDS we're going to talk about it. Oh, and my mercenary band? We cut helpless people's throats".

 

Neither of them was conveniently attractive, and neither was a romantic option that would appeal to general audience. Personally, I can't in good conscience say Blackwall was well-written, either.

 

So originally, if a girl like me, who wasn't interested in romancing females at all, entered the scene, her char had to choose between Blackwall and Iron Bull.

 

No one else.

 

Cullen was a godsend. Solas was a gift from the gods. They are normal, conveniently attractive, well-written characters with "good cliche" backgrounds(a good person fighting an addiction and trying to overcome his bias; a "fallen angel" type who's done things for the greater good with tragic consequences). But without Solas romance and/or Cullen romance? This may be bold, but I think many girls would've never replayed the game again. I myself would certainly consider it a disappointment, re-roll a male character and go for Cassandra once, and that would be it.

 

So, yeah, female characters got lucky in this game, but they could've been very, very unlucky. Solas and Cullen were last-minute choices, and only because development time was extended - a kingly gift.

 

Oh, indeed. At least for gay men, we have the beloved Dorian to choose from of the two. I really am not fond in any way of IB, so I'd understand completely how gypped the straight women would be if Cullen and Egg weren't options. You guys got lucky this time!

 

Just to throw a few more... complications/opportunities into the mix there are also the Rivaini seers who allow themselves to be possessed by various spirits for what time length we don't really know, so perhaps a Rivaini seer would make an interesting companion who could shed light on their traditions as well as access a few different types of 'spirits' throughout the game, seers are usually (always?) female from what I remember.

 

Also werewolves existed before and independently of Zathrian's curse, depending on the codex entries either a female or male Cousland ancestor set up watches and tactics to protect Highever from them and gained the loyalty of the other nobles for doing so thus becoming a Teyrn in the first place. Since we don't know how or why werewolves in this or other areas come about it is also likely more exist or could exist in other wild areas of Thedas. It may or may not involve spirits for all we know... and I said spirits because it could be spirits not demons as the lady of the forest was a spirit when Zathrian called her... even as Witherfang she was a vengeful spirit rather than say a rage demon according to those around her and Zathrian... or that's how I remember it anyway.

 

@Nat, I think the reason it's a fun thread may be because the OP is looking for equal options for everyone not just straight men and he's throwing ideas out there for all options. He also wanted more male options for his male characters after all. I get that, I'd like more female options for my female characters too.

 

I'm enjoying your thread OP though I'd mention that as a lesbian character my options match those of a gay male character though I get Josephine and Sera... so yeah, an advisor and a brat. I like Josie but I feel like she's underdeveloped and Sera is just too much crazy for me in a romance so... quality and quantity equality would be nice. And as Natashina and others have said the big imbalance of genders lead to it being this way which I figured when they confirmed the final companions, though really it would have been the perfect opportunity to give gay males another option at least especially when you're adding in extra romances anyway. 

 

Thanks! I know how it is for lesbians. Every female character I make is a lesbian, while every male character I make is gay. I think Josie is a Godsend for lesbian characters, just like Dorian is for gay characters, but it's very true that she needs far more development. Even as she is now, though, you've gotta admit: she's still faaar better than Sera.

 

I've absolutely no issue with men writing lesbians, or the opposite sex writing the opposite sex in general, etc, as long as it's done convincingly well. But, if you write a lesbian to be a stereotype and an uncouth walking fart joke, you clearly aren't qualified for the job. I like characters who feel like they were written by someone who knows what they're doing and how the demographic they're writing actually functions. It'd be one thing if Sera was straight or maybe even bi, but when this is your "very first lesbian in the DA series," you're setting a very poor example. I'm not a lesbian myself, but if I was I'd be pretty damned insulted that this was how Bioware chose to represent me.

 

This thread has taken a great turn!

 

I don't have a lot of time right now but I wanted to raise an issue that would haunt any kind of 'possessed LI' setup: We would have certain groups campaign against it for being 'rapy'. After all, the possessed person cannot really consent.

 

Note that I don't agree with that assessment at all. But given Bioware's recent track record of shooting themselves in the foot pre-emptively rather than risking another one of 'those' controversies, I don't think it would happen. Sadly. I think it would be a great concept that invites discussion and evokes emotions.

 

That's a good point, but if the mage had none of her original self remaining (or just mixed with the demon's beyond recognition), I think maybe the need for her consent specifically would be far gone. However, due to the deception, I could still see a relationship (sexual or otherwise) being incredibly dubious at best, just like Blackwall's romance, for example. So, on the whole, the concept would likely be a no-go. However, if an LI like this was chosen, I'd be curious of the reception she'd get. Would people be more or less outraged by this lie compared to Blackwall's lie? What would be their reasons? Because the "host/husk" is a female this time? (Seen potentially as the victim, despite that the person romancing her would probably be the true victim in this, like the female Inquisitor who romances Blackwall. Though, to be fair, he did keep insisting to break it off, lol.)

 

Maybe that could be part of the arc? Eventually the possessing entity (either spirit or demon) gets exposed (during the scene that would normally qualify as the sex scene) thus leading to the choice to either exorcise the entity and freein the person, or continue on with the romance as is. It would definitely lead to a daker game.

 

I think since there's always at least one companion who's tied into the main storyline more than everyone else, this could lead to some really interesting, and potentially damning, choices. These are choices that make a huge impact, and unfortunately, it may not fit with a companion who's entirely optional.

 

Back on the LI balance issue, briefly, when it comes to 2/2/2, that means there are (technically?) only six companions. That worked really well in DA2 because it was one of each weapon type, more or less. However, if they brought back the variety of Origins, I could easily see nine companions working well. Plus, two of the three extra companions could be bisexual (so 2/4/2), while the third is simply not romanceable (perhaps a really old person, or not romanceable for plot reasons (already taken perhaps?), is a golem or something similar, is completely ace to the bone, etc), so then every straight and gay/lesbian player gets three choices each, rather than just two, while bisexual people naturally have the most choices (lucky them! lol).

 

I'm so pleased about this thread's reception! All this discussion is really invigorating!

[sandalisthemaker]

Thing is, it could've been the worst game for female characters(and in some way, for female players like me) in Dragon Age Series.

 

Why? Because default male romance options for female characters were Blackwall and Iron Bull. Aka "Hi, I'm a bland guy with a beard, and I ordered a few kids killed, nothing to worry about" and "I'm going to go top BDSM on you, and AFTERWARDS we're going to talk about it. Oh, and my mercenary band? We cut helpless people's throats".

 

Neither of them was conveniently attractive, and neither was a romantic option that would appeal to general audience. Personally, I can't in good conscience say Blackwall was well-written, either.

 

So originally, if a girl like me, who wasn't interested in romancing females at all, entered the scene, her char had to choose between Blackwall and Iron Bull.

 

No one else.

 

Cullen was a godsend. Solas was a gift from the gods. They are normal, conveniently attractive, well-written characters with "good cliche" backgrounds(a good person fighting an addiction and trying to overcome his bias; a "fallen angel" type who's done things for the greater good with tragic consequences). But without Solas romance and/or Cullen romance? This may be bold, but I think many girls would've never replayed the game again. I myself would certainly consider it a disappointment, re-roll a male character and go for Cassandra once, and that would be it.

 

So, yeah, female characters got lucky in this game, but they could've been very, very unlucky. Solas and Cullen were last-minute choices, and only because development time was extended - a kingly gift.

 

 

Part of me feels like this was the reason they scrambled to make Cullen and Solas romanceable at the last minute for female players.  I get the feeling that they realized too late, perhaps through playtesting feedback or however they go about this, that Blackwall and Iron Bull weren't selling well with many female gamers romance-wise.

 

The numbers don't lie.  Just look at how popular Cullen and Solas are compared to Blackwall and Bull in the romance department. 

[Moirin]

Is it because of the whole "Cullen and Egg were initially going to be bisexual" thing, but when Bioware pansied out of it/"didn't have enough time," they didn't realize that now there's an unbalanced amount of potential LI's per sex?

 

Can I ask where is this rumor from? I know where the Cullen rumor comes from but I don't understand the Solas one? Especially since I recall reading some interview (I think it was one of the PAX ones) where it was pretty much said that from the beginning when Solas' romance was suggested they said they could only afford it if it was female elves only and then Mr. Weekes pretty much said "that's who I wrote it for anyway". Which would seem to suggest he was only ever meant to be Female Elves only. (Here's a link to a sound file/transcription of the interview).

 

Am I missing some information?

 

Cullen was a godsend. Solas was a gift from the gods. They are normal, conveniently attractive, well-written characters with "good cliche" backgrounds(a good person fighting an addiction and trying to overcome his bias; a "fallen angel" type who's done things for the greater good with tragic consequences). But without Solas romance and/or Cullen romance? This may be bold, but I think many girls would've never replayed the game again. I myself would certainly consider it a disappointment, re-roll a male character and go for Cassandra once, and that would be it.

 

So, yeah, female characters got lucky in this game, but they could've been very, very unlucky. Solas and Cullen were last-minute choices, and only because development time was extended - a kingly gift.

 

Well I can't speak for all the women but I can say that it is very likely that my two main female romances would have gone unromanced this game if IB and Blackwall where my only two choices. Cullen and Solas were the female LIs I enjoyed the most. Hell, they were two of the three romances I enjoyed the most, Dorian would be third.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

Can I ask where is this rumor from? I know where the Cullen rumor comes from but I don't understand the Solas one? Especially since I recall reading some interview (I think it was one of the PAX ones) where it was pretty much said that from the beginning when Solas' romance was suggested they said they could only afford it if it was female elves only and then Mr. Weekes pretty much said "that's who I wrote it for anyway". Which would seem to suggest he was only ever meant to be Female Elves only. (Here's a link to a sound file/transcription of the interview).

 

Am I missing some information?

 

 

Well I can't speak for all the women but I can say that it is very likely that my two main female romances would have gone unromanced this game if IB and Blackwall where my only two choices. Cullen and Solas were the female LIs I enjoyed the most. Hell, they were two of the three romances I enjoyed the most, Dorian would be third.

 

Not to be rude, but it's funny he should claim that when they'd already went so far as to record lines for him and the male Inquisitor, but they dropped it at the last second. But, then I've never had a reason to respect the writers as of yet, much less their constant feet-in-the-mouth.

 

As I said, though, I'm only disappointed over not getting Cullen. Egg is not even remotely my type, and I find his "personality" insufferable, so I don't mind their backpedaling in his case.

[Moirin]

Not to be rude, but it's funny he should claim that when they'd already went so far as to record lines for him and the male Inquisitor, but they dropped it at the last second. But, then I've never had a reason to respect the writers as of yet, much less their constant feet-in-the-mouth.

 

You are not being rude, I asked a question and you answered.

 

I have yet to listen to the sound file you provided, but I do find it odd that there are separate recorded lines, since Solas never refers to you by gender in the romance (with a female elf).

 

Regardless thank you for the information.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

You are not being rude, I asked a question and you answered.

 

I have yet to listen to the sound file you provided, but I do find it odd that there are separate recorded lines, since Solas never refers to you by gender in the romance (with a female elf).

 

Regardless thank you for the information.

 

Okay, good!

 

I'm pretty sure Solas still makes no mention of the Inquisitor's gender, but he does make a flirty comment about his muscles. I have no idea if he makes the same comment with the female elf though, so that could be the same both ways! Still, all the lines for the complete romance aren't there, only probably half or so. As I said, they did drop it before completing it. If Weekes planned on him being straight from the start, I have no idea why they went through with all this.

 

Spoiler

Still would like a good reason for him being straight. You'd think spirits or whatever the hell he is wouldn't have sexual orientations/preferences.

[Moirin]

Okay, good!

 

I'm pretty sure Solas still makes no mention of the Inquisitor's gender, but he does make a flirty comment about his muscles. I have no idea if he makes the same comment with the female elf though, so that could be the same both ways! Still, all the lines for the complete romance aren't there, only probably half or so. As I said, they did drop it before completing it. If Weekes planned on him being straight from the start, I have no idea why they went through with all this.

 

I just listened to the sound files. All the Solas comments are the same as with a female. The extra recordings are the male Inquisitors answering Solas. That makes sense to me now, the rumor stems from there being little reason for the male Inquisitor to respond to the Solas romance lines unless there were plans for it I guess.

 

Again thank you for the info.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

While we sit and wait for possible sources instead of simple hearsay, what does everyone think about (nearly) every potential love interest having a chaste relationship option? With the exception that it wouldn't fit the character, but with how many "slutty bisexuals™" they've tossed into their games, I think they could go a few installments without putting in a character who wouldn't jive with that. To elaborate, a romantic relationship complete with kissing and all that great stuff, but not forcing sex upon us. A relationship where it could be amicably agreed upon that it's not a necessary activity between them and it may never be, or where either party is simply not ready and wants to wait (like Dorian's romance).

 

I found it dumb that we have only two potential options for that (Josie and Dorian). No one else has the choice. "You wanna be in a relationship with me? Get the lube." I remember one of the devs, before the game came out, making a snippy comment (no surprise there) when someone asked if they could finally have a relationship that didn't require sex. Something along the lines of, "There are a some characters you don't have to have sex with. If that's not good enough for you/if sex bothers you, then don't romance anyone." I might be paraphrasing that wrong, but that was the extent of the comment. Edit: It was a rude comment, and it basically implied that "if you don't like/want sex, you don't deserve to experience a relationship." Either way, it wasn't the first time Bioware was like, "If you don't like certain content, just skip it and miss out entirely!" for DAI. It speaks poorly of your game and you.

 

Feels like they were so proud of that fully naked female body (wow, so brave and revolutionary!) that they wanted to shove it in our faces one way or another.

Yeah, I hope romances where there are either optional sex scenes or none at all and leave the level of intimacy up to the player become more common in future titles. 

 

I remember that quote you are talking about. 

[Domiel Angelus]

"...is in love with the Warden, or is not interested in romance right now." 

 

Time to let that Inquisitor/Leliana ship go.  I've had to burn my own ships.  It sucks, but there will be others.  

 

 

She's only in love with the Warden if you made it so <.< You can end up with Morrigan pining for him or Alistair missing his Queen or not knowing how Zevran feels because they only let him be in this one in letter format. She may be slightly infatuated because of his hero-ness but still, its rather odd to just say yes, when romances are one of the things still controllable thanks to the Keep. 

 

The whole not interested right now could very well be resolved within a DLC, which hopefully includes the fruition of all those attempts to hit on Lace Harding and a chance to make my googly eyes at Dagna be more than just hopeless wants for the adorable arcanist. 

 

That bit with Zevran bothers me, we got Morrigan, Alistair and Leliana back, and Wynne finally went to meet the Maker in person, so that would leave needing a cameo from Zevran, Oghren (Warden dlc anyone?) and possibly Shale to complete the set. They even have a cameo with Loghain if you kept him alive. I still want my Dog companion, even Hawke got a Dog companion. It would also be nice to see how the Hornless Sten is doing as Arishok.