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[philippe willaume]

This is quite ostensibly wrong on multiple levels. a- Many guys, me included, were annoyed or at least sympathetic. b- The sex of the gamer is only losely correlated with the sex of the protagonist. I always play female characters and get annoyed if they only get crappy options.

This time lesbian female and straight male protagonists were unlucky, imo. Hopefully they get better in the next round.

Counting and comparing has been a bad idea since kindergarden, why do people insist on doing it? 'Mine is longer' 'I have it worse' waaah waah

 

yes to all that

Sure it is worth pointing out that one gender go "more" and that usually it the female side that has the lest options.

 

That being said, as long as each gender orientation has as some options, I am happy to have less options for the sake of all the romances qualities.

we are talking about finite resources after all.

 

phil

[Kantr]

The reason given by a dev who left for cullen not being bisexual was that that the cinematic director ran out of time to set up his cinematic scenes.

[BansheeOwnage]

The reason given by a dev who left for cullen not being bisexual was that that the cinematic director ran out of time to set up his cinematic scenes.

Cullen's is the only romance I've seen, and it doesn't really look like having a male Inquisitor would make any difference when it comes to animation etc. so I'm confused. I get that different races can be hard, but not sexes.

[Darktangent]

Is the option to have your partner follow you supposed to do anything? Because I romanced Dorian, and the only thing it does is fade the screen to black for a second and then go back the way it was. Kind of disappointing that there's only a kiss.

[Grieving Natashina]

Is the option to have your partner follow you supposed to do anything? Because I romanced Dorian, and the only thing it does is fade the screen to black for a second and then go back the way it was. Kind of disappointing that there's only a kiss.

You must not be very far in then.  That's the first scene.  Keep going, you'll get to see some fine Dorian butt if that's your interest.  It was the third romance scene I believe that triggers the sex sequence.

[Felya87]

The reason given by a dev who left for cullen not being bisexual was that that the cinematic director ran out of time to set up his cinematic scenes.

 

Or maybe it was left female only to not go trought another "thrope risk" like the "all elves are bisex"? Cullen would have been the third male seen as straight to came back in a new game and revealing himself as bi. 

 

After Anders and Kaidan, it would have felt a little stale as revelation. Expecially since, well, at least until DAI he was probably never thought as bi. I want to give the benefits of Anders having some jokes here and there in Awakening as telling he may like man too (but are quite easy to miss, I must admit. Expecially if you don't like Oghren.) and Kaidan was already written as bi, just there wasn't time to implement it completely. His dialogues with a maleShep are quite passionate (expecially on Orizon), just as with a femShep. So I wasn't really surprised in ME3.

 

With Cullen... I have to say I find hard to picture him as bi. His crush on the female warden mage is too explicit, and the absence of interest in a male warden mage is quite too blatant. It would have been surely a surprise if he was a bi romance in DAI. At least for me.

 

And with it, I don't want to offend anyone. Just my impressions. I wouldn't have cared if Cullen or Solas where bi. I would have romanced them regardless. 

 

Aaaand... just a little suggestion: I wanted to create a character to romance Dorian. What race do you suggest? I prefer play non human characters, if I can. What are your suggestions? 

[Little Princess Peach]

Yes, but you're a cool person. Not everyone is   I do, however think people have a right to complain when they're constantly being... well, whatever the term is for consistently getting fewer options than others.

I hear ya but most Bsners like to go over board

[Shechinah]

Or maybe it was left female only to not go trought another "thrope risk" like the "all elves are bisex"? Cullen would have been the third male seen as straight to came back in a new game and revealing himself as bi. 

 

After Anders and Kaidan, it would have felt a little stale as revelation. Expecially since, well, at least until DAI he was probably never thought as bi. I want to give the benefits of Anders having some jokes here and there in Awakening as telling he may like man too (but are quite easy to miss, I must admit. Expecially if you don't like Oghren.) and Kaidan was already written as bi, just there wasn't time to implement it completely. His dialogues with a maleShep are quite passionate (expecially on Orizon), just as with a femShep. So I wasn't really surprised in ME3.

 

With Cullen... I have to say I find hard to picture him as bi. His crush on the female warden mage is too explicit, and the absence of interest in a male warden mage is quite too blatant. It would have been surely a surprise if he was a bi romance in DAI. At least for me.

 

And with it, I don't want to offend anyone. Just my impressions. I wouldn't have cared if Cullen or Solas where bi. I would have romanced them regardless. 

 

Aaaand... just a little suggestion: I wanted to create a character to romance Dorian. What race do you suggest? I prefer play non human characters, if I can. What are your suggestions? 

 

I'm partial to an elven or qunari Inquisitor myself because I like the angle the same as I do when it is the friendship route: two people expected to be enemies becomes something else instead. That is, of course, if you do not mind the male elven bodies like some do. You can also try dwarf though I do not know if there was trouble with the camerea angles regarding some of the romances with dwarven Inquisitors.  
 

[AresKeith]

The reason given by a dev who left for cullen not being bisexual was that that the cinematic director ran out of time to set up his cinematic scenes.

 

I also heard that person was in Q&A which makes me skeptical about their source

[Felya87]

I'm partial to an elven or qunari Inquisitor myself because I like the angle the same as I do when it is the friendship route: two people expected to be enemies becomes something else instead. That is, of course, if you do not mind the male elven bodies like some do. You can also try dwarf though I do not know if there was trouble with the camerea angles regarding some of the romances with dwarven Inquisitors.  
 

 

I've already played a male elf for Cassandra  as painful as it is with the weird sucked in shoulders, I like too much play elves to stop myself. I've created a male Qunari too for Josie (I love the sweet little thing who is Josie with the mass of (apprently) brutal muscle that is the male Qunari  ) 

I may try creating a new male Qunari, or a dwarf. (I have already played two lady elf and one male)

[Shechinah]

I've already played a male elf for Cassandra  as painful as it is with the weird sucked in shoulders, I like too much play elves to stop myself. I've created a male Qunari too for Josie (I love the sweet little thing who is Josie with the mass of (apprently) brutal muscle that is the male Qunari  ) 

I may try creating a new male Qunari, or a dwarf. (I have already played two lady elf and one male)

 

When I get around to my female dwarven Inquisitor, I'm planning on romancing Josie

[Felya87]

When I get around to my female dwarven Inquisitor, I'm planning on romancing Josie

I have created one for Blackwall, but I'm ending up loving too much the little girl to make her suffer for him...  I end up creating terribly cute (not beautiful...just...adorable cute) dwarfettes. I need quite a lot of courage to start this romance. 

[Kantr]

I also heard that person was in Q&A which makes me skeptical about their source

You are correct.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

No offense to anyone, but when did female characters have fewer options than males? In DAO you have the same amount of choices. In the ME series, you had the same amount to choose from, however your choices weren't as good (the only exception, if it counts, is Ash as she remained straight, but since you can carry over Kaidan instead, I'm not certain it counts). In DA2, if you want to count Sebastian as a romance option, you had one more option than men. How is it that you are "consistently getting fewer options" than men? I'm not trying to imply men are the ones who've been getting fewer, but I can't see how women have gotten it worse either. I don't see how this counts as the tables having been turned.

 

Again, I don't want this to seem rude or anything.

[Grieving Natashina]

No offense to anyone, but when did female characters have fewer options than males? In DAO you have the same amount of choices. In the ME series, you had the same amount to choose from, however your choices weren't as good (the only exception, if it counts, is Ash as she remained straight, but since you can carry over Kaidan instead, I'm not certain it counts). In DA2, if you want to count Sebastian as a romance option, you had one more option than men. How is it that you are "consistently getting fewer options" than men? I'm not trying to imply men are the ones who've been getting fewer, but I can't see how women have gotten it worse either. I don't see how this counts as the tables having been turned.

 

Again, I don't want this to seem rude or anything.

FemShep (straight)

 

ME1: Kaidan (1)

ME2: Jacob (who cheats on you between games,)  Thane (who's dead after the Cerberus Coup in ME3,) and Garrus.  So options that can continue even off-screen drop to one.  Unlike Miranda, Kelly and Jack, where the relationship continues if they are still alive. (3)

ME3: Kaidan only if no one else was romanced and that's if the player knew about the Virmire decision.  If Kaidan is dead and you didn't romance Garrus, the options drop to zero. (0-1)

 

Potential Total: 5  

 

Sheploo(straight)

 

ME1-Ashley and Liara.  Liara's romance continues in ME2 w/ Shadow Broker (2)

ME2-Tali, Miranda, Kelly, Jack--Tali's continues in ME3, and unless you really screw up, Miranda is just fine in ME3.  Jack and Kelly are both still alive.  No one cheats or dies between games.  They might not all rejoin Shep, but they will stay loyal and alive. (4!)

ME3-Liara, Tali and Ashley--I know that you can start the Ashely romance in ME3.  I'm not sure if you can start the other two. (1-3)

 

Potential total: 9

 

It's not just the quality of the romances, although that is a big part of it.  One can die without meta-knowledge, the other two have their reasons for not staying loyal in the slightest and Garrus has to be romanced in ME2 in order to be a romance at all in ME3.   Since you've been asking, the numbers are very telling.

 

I'll grant you that the DA series is better than the ME series in terms of balance.  Everyone got 2/2/2 for DA:O and even though I don't like Sebastian, he does count so that's 2/3/2.  

 

I used to be confused as well about this, and then I played the ME series.  I think there is some scars that still run deep among the female fans.  I'm guessing that's where some of the resentment is coming from.  I think a lot of the reaction is also coming from women that are frankly frustrated at a few straight men that continue complaining about the options this time.   When an entire series was slanted towards straight men/bisexual women for about 5 years (ME1 was in 2008 and the last DLC for ME3 was in 2013,) not many straight men spoke up in favor of giving FemSheps more options.  In fact, after reading the old BSN threads, many were telling women that because we were apparently such a minority in the player base that we should be grateful that we had anyone at all.  

 

Now that this time, for the first time in a BW game, women have a two extra options if they play the correct races.  While I know that you've been respectful and aren't demanding, there is a few very loud straight men that are declaring it's all "unfair" because straight elf and human female characters have two and one extra options each.  Meanwhile, the LGBT community is hoping that they might get a third option someday, and is still happy that they have two pretty solid characters to choose between.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

That's fair enough, but I meant women players in general, not just the straight ones. Still, thanks for running the numbers for me!

[Grieving Natashina]

That's fair enough, but I meant women players in general, not just the straight ones. Still, thanks for running the numbers for me!

This is just my opinion based on observation, but from what I've seen this can apply to the lesbians as well.  They had exactly one option throughout the entire ME series that was a party member, just the same as the gay men.  Unlike gay men, they had one from the start, but otherwise the only squad member LI option was Liara the entire time.  Now many seem to be rolling their eyes at the complaints from a few straight men they "don't have enough romances," especially after being told for years that they should be grateful to have anything considering that they are a minority.  

 

As for me, I really don't have a lot of room to speak.  I'm bisexual, so by default I'll have the most options.  I will say that the quality as well as quantity of romances among the male LIs in ME was very hit-and-miss and I felt that Jacob's romance in-between games was handled quite poorly.  I'm mostly in the same boat in that if straight women can handle an entire series with less options, then straight men should be able to deal with it for at least one game.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

Still not banned, I see. How incompetent must the BioMods be if He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named is still lurking here?

[AresKeith]

Still not banned, I see. How incompetent must the BioMods be if He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named is still lurking here?

 

That's why I miss Allan and the other mods

 

You might as well move to North Korea with that attitude.  Kim Jong Joe would smile at what you just wrote.

 

definitely needs to be banned

[Grieving Natashina]

Still not banned, I see. How incompetent must the BioMods be if He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named is still lurking here?

Eh, just report and ignore him.  He craves the attention and I'd rather not see this thread get derailed and shut down by him.  This has been a productive conversation and I'd love to see it kept up.  I've been enjoying your questions, because it seems like you really are trying to broaden your perspective.  

[carlo angelo]

-snip-

 

Embrace the consequences.

[midnight tea]

Guys, let this be an example to you. Women resort to the ignore & report feature. A real man would never resort to something as pathetic as a report feature.  I don't care enough about anyones post to ever waste my time reporting it, I don't care.

 

Embrace the 1st amendment, embrace freedom of speech.

 

 

... Is this serious?

[AresKeith]

... Is this serious?

 

It's best to don't feed the troll and just report 

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

This is just my opinion based on observation, but from what I've seen this can apply to the lesbians as well.  They had exactly one option throughout the entire ME series that was a party member, just the same as the gay men.  Unlike gay men, they had one from the start, but otherwise the only squad member LI option was Liara the entire time.  Now many seem to be rolling their eyes at the complaints from a few straight men they "don't have enough romances," especially after being told for years that they should be grateful to have anything considering that they are a minority.  

 

As for me, I really don't have a lot of room to speak.  I'm bisexual, so by default I'll have the most options.  I will say that the quality as well as quantity of romances among the male LIs in ME was very hit-and-miss and I felt that Jacob's romance in-between games was handled quite poorly.  I'm mostly in the same boat in that if straight women can handle an entire series with less options, then straight men should be able to deal with it for at least one game.

 

True enough! I felt bad about how Jacob was handled because I think he's a really likeable character, more so than Kaidan. Him leaving fem-Shep (and accidentally knocking up a lady he's only been seeing for a few months) seems very out of character for a moral guy like him. They should have just made him and his new girlfriend a thing for a man-Shep and unromanced fem-Shep. They could have figured out how to make it work. Thane's romance was a stupid idea anyway, so I can't offer any sympathy to the women who romanced him, lol. They should have just not given him a terminal illness (and a dead wife--another reason why I think that romance is selfish on fem-Shep's part), that way he'd work out just like Miranda and Jack do for a man-Shep: They're there, their romances can be rekindled, but they can't come along with you because of reasons.

 

If they stop having equal choices from now on, I'm still hoping they'll do a back-and-forth thing from game to game.