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[Felya87]

I'm late, but I wanted to say that DAO was the first time in a bioware game where a straight female protagonist had more than one LI.

BG2 was the first game at all with a male LI.

[Panda]

The only problem with a chevalier is that we'd have to put up with a French Orlesian accent.

 

I can't stand them at all, personally. Plus, I really don't like what I hear about chevaliers.

 

From what we know about Chevaliers, they don't really match the "KISA" stereotype. They're knights, certainly, (and I'm sure many of they do have literally shining armour), but they tend to be selfish egotists that put personal honour above everything else.

 

It's true that TME and DAI didn't paint them in best possible way. However most KISA's we have seen are templars so far, but templars aren't being painted into prettiest colors either in DA so maybe there is some good sides of Chevaliers we haven't seen yet?

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

It's true that TME and DAI didn't paint them in best possible way. However most KISA's we have seen are templars so far, but templars aren't being painted into prettiest colors either in DA so maybe there is some good sides of Chevaliers we haven't seen yet?

 

Oh most definitely! Assuming all chevaliers are murdering rapists would be pretty silly. If it was that bad, I'm sure even most snobbish Orlesian nobles would have to see fault with it, and possibly strive to change it.

 

If there's a chevalier LI, I'd like to see them endeavor to change the way their group is, as a whole. Eliminate the right all chevaliers have to do as they please with commoners, their right to escape justice. Change or eliminate entirely the initiation they have, and so on. But, if they had a side plot like that, that means we'd have to see Orlais once more, and there's nothing about that country I like. Plus, I'd really like to move north now.

[daveliam]

I'm late, but I wanted to say that DAO was the first time in a bioware game where a straight female protagonist had more than one LI.

BG2 was the first game at all with a male LI.

Wasn't BG2 the first game with romances at all? I don't know of any Bioware game with romances that didn't include at least one option for straight women.

[Felya87]

Wasn't BG2 the first game with romances at all? I don't know of any Bioware game with romances that didn't include at least one option for straight women.

I remember Little of BG1, but I think there was one or two female LI. But restricted For races.

But I have never played a male character in this kind of games before DAO.

Edit: Maybe I'm in confusion with BGEE?

[PhroXenGold]

I remember Little of BG1, but I think there was one or two female LI. But restricted For races.

But I have never played a male character in this kind of games before DAO.

Edit: Maybe I'm in confusion with BGEE?

 

Dunno about the EE, but there was definitely no romances in the original BG1. Hell, there was barely any party dialgoue.

[AresKeith]

She's like a happier-looking Lysette. Poor Lysette, always disappointed in something.

She's sad Barris wasn't around all the time

[daveliam]

I remember Little of BG1, but I think there was one or two female LI. But restricted For races.

But I have never played a male character in this kind of games before DAO.

Edit: Maybe I'm in confusion with BGEE?

Yeah, I think you are thinking of BGEE. In vanilla BG1, there were no romances at all. In BGEE, they added in a few (two or three, I think) bisexual romances. But that wasn't done by Bioware, so I don't count it.

The Bioware games with romances are: BG2, NWN, JE, KOTOR, ME, DA: O, ME2, DA2, SWTOR, ME3, and DA:I.

All of them have at least one option for straight guys and gals. All but BG2 and SWTOR have at least one lesbian option. And only JE, ME3, and the DA games have at least one option for gay guys.

[BansheeOwnage]

From what we know about Chevaliers, they don't really match the "KISA" stereotype. They're knights, certainly, (and I'm sure many of they do have literally shining armour), but they tend to be selfish egotists that put personal honour above everything else.

That's true, but the games have a habit of giving us companions who aren't stereotypes of their group, so it's possible this Chevalier could be different.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'm late, but I wanted to say that DAO was the first time in a bioware game where a straight female protagonist had more than one LI.

BG2 was the first game at all with a male LI.

DA:O was also the first game with an option for gay men. One option.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh most definitely! Assuming all chevaliers are murdering rapists would be pretty silly. If it was that bad, I'm sure even most snobbish Orlesian nobles would have to see fault with it, and possibly strive to change it.

 

If there's a chevalier LI, I'd like to see them endeavor to change the way their group is, as a whole. Eliminate the right all chevaliers have to do as they please with commoners, their right to escape justice. Change or eliminate entirely the initiation they have, and so on. But, if they had a side plot like that, that means we'd have to see Orlais once more, and there's nothing about that country I like. Plus, I'd really like to move north now.

All Chevaliers have to commit a murder of a City Elf to become a Chevalier. So yes, they are all literally murderers.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That would certainly help yes, but it has the potential to come off in a manner totally different from your intention. Kind of like how if you weren't interested in Anders in DA:2, you had to be mean to refuse him. If you could explain that you simply don't have an interest in sex, and it's not an insult to your romance option etc, that's great. But if they simply add the option of refusing, I could see it sounding not helping. "I just don't feel like it right now" "I'm not ready for that yet" obviously don't work for an asexual player. Though, they could add the option of refusing anyway.

Oh, of course they would handle it in a more tasteful way than the Anders thing was. Bioware seemed to learn their lesson from that. 

Even if it doesn't sound like a refusal they would give, the option to refuse that part would still be a great boost. 

[Felya87]

DA:O was also the first game with an option for gay men. One option.

 

No, the first was in Jade Empire. (the only male LI, bisexual. and again the "dead wife" thrope.)

[Panda]

All Chevaliers have to commit a murder of a City Elf to become a Chevalier. So yes, they are all literally murderers.

 

I doubt that is some official ancient ritual that every Chevalier has taken part though. Probaply someone invented it along the way and it might be used in some places.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I doubt that is some official ancient ritual that every Chevalier has taken part though. Probaply someone invented it along the way and it might be used in some places.

You have any proof that not every Chevalier does it? I have proof they do it, so it's up to you to prove those were the exception, not the norm. 

[AresKeith]

You have any proof that not every Chevalier does it? I have proof they do it, so it's up to you to prove those were the exception, not the norm. 

 

There is no proof that every Chevalier does it

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There is no proof that every Chevalier does it

There is proof that the Chevalier initiation involves it. As I said above, the onus is now on those defending the Chevaliers that it is not a universal initiation. 

[Panda]

You have any proof that not every Chevalier does it? I have proof they do it, so it's up to you to prove those were the exception, not the norm. 

 

I don't think it's likely that it's some mandatory ritual that Chevaliers had to do and everyone has done. There is no further proof, I don't think TME's information just necessarily means that it's something every Chevalier goes through no matter what ^^

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't think it's likely that it's some mandatory ritual that Chevaliers had to do and everyone has done. There is no further proof, I don't think TME's information just necessarily means that it's something every Chevalier goes through no matter what ^^

So in other words you have no actual evidence to back your stance up and it is solely your opinion that it's not, despite evidence to the contrary? 

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't think it's likely that it's some mandatory ritual that Chevaliers had to do and everyone has done. There is no further proof, I don't think TME's information just necessarily means that it's something every Chevalier goes through no matter what ^^

Yeah, I just broke open my copy of World of Thedas to see what it said.  There is nothing that says all Chevaliers have to kill an elf as a rite.  The wiki says the same thing and in fact, the two entries are identical.  I'd like a page number for the TME source so I can look at it for myself and see what it actually says.  

[Panda]

So in other words you have no actual evidence to back your stance up and it is solely your opinion that it's not, despite evidence to the contrary? 

 

Yes

[Grieving Natashina]

Yes

I can list the page number that describes Chevaliers in WoT and it doesn't say anything about it.  Anyone is free to look at the wiki page.  Me, I'm waiting for the page number for TME.  My copy is right on my desk, ready to go.  I'll be happy to transcribe what it says as well, verbatim and let everyone else decide.  I see no evidence that this was some sort of bizarre Chevalier rite of passage aside from the words of one sick person in TME.

[AresKeith]

Yeah, I just broke open my copy of World of Thedas to see what it said.  There is nothing that says all Chevaliers have to kill an elf as a rite.  The wiki says the same thing and in fact, the two entries are identical.  I'd like a page number for the TME source so I can look at it for myself and see what it actually says.  

 

That's why I hoping for a Chevalier companion (possibly a blonde female? ) 

[Shechinah]

While I did not and still would not want Cole as a romance because I can most certainly see why they did not make him one, I would love to see a spirit romance. It would just have to be a spirit companion whose story and character fitted the idea of a romance and one that hopefully is not possessing a corpse. It could be a non-sexual romance if the story does not allow for manifested spirit. I would prefer and adore a non-sexual romance.

 

A spirit of Valor could work for protagonists of different moral alignments since one definition for valor is; "boldness or determination in facing great danger, especially in battle."   

 

There is, of course. the chance we potentially already had that romance with Justice in Awakening if the "love" level of his approval meter was not meant platonically.