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[Panda]

Let's not forget a gay male Shepard, who must remain celibate for the first two games!

 

True, gay male Shepard really had it worst during first two games ^^;

[Natashina]

I'm lucky that I have an option like Dorian or Iron Bull or Anders or Fenris in the DA series if I want to play a gay man.  I tried to picture doing the same with the ME series and I felt a little sad inside.  So alone until ME3.  

 

@CDR  This thread topic has been opened before, but you're being very polite and respectful about it.  You're also not complaining or trying to make a huge deal out of this.  You're making a reasonable request in a reasonable tone, and I personally appreciate it quite a bit.  

[Dieb]

You know what I always find baffling?

 

I personally am absolutely against treating romance like a values-and-numbers, scientifically predictable game mechanic, which deserves special attention and resources. Yet the ones adamantly demanding it to be handled as such, are also the ones who come across absurdly methodical and matter-of-factly when talking about such things, I cannot fathom what their actual angle is.

 

Despite using the word "romance" a lot.

[Domiel Angelus]

Miranda is alive and well in ME3 if you just talk to her and let her use some resource from the alliance. Jack just need to be loyal to be alive. Jacob cheat no matter what, Thane dies, Vega have to be drunk to sleep with Sheprd, and is in way a romance. Is just a anight fling, and is sickening how you have tu use alcool to convince him.

 

Did you complete her side story? If you break it off with her the first time you meet up with her she dies, if she wasn't loyal at the end of ME2 she dies in ME3. If your paragon or renegade meter isn't high enough and you can't talk down her dad, she dies; if you let her dad go she blasts him through a window and dies. 

 

Jack's survival is timed, not based on her loyalty. She ends up a phantom later on if you don't do it as your next mission when it pops up. 

 

Of the "romances", Javik, Vega, Samara, Diana and Kelly do not award the achievement.

 

@Char, the same can be said about leaving Ashley on Virmire. So if you're cutting them out, you're still coming out ahead because men get the following possible deaths on their list in 3: Miranda, Jack, Morinth (Not a repeat romance and dies), Kelly, Tali and Samara; You have one  guaranteed death in Thane and one cheater in Jacob. You also got the best romance written with super bro Garrus and the steamy shower scene with Traynor. Yes, I was one of those cheeky men that played a woman just for that scene instead of watching it on youtube.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

I'm lucky that I have an option like Dorian or Iron Bull or Anders or Fenris in the DA series if I want to play a gay man.  I tried to picture doing the same with the ME series and I felt a little sad inside.  So alone until ME3.  

 

@CDR  This thread topic has been opened before, but you're being very polite and respectful about it.  You're also not complaining or trying to make a huge deal out of this.  You're making a reasonable request in a reasonable tone, and I personally appreciate it quite a bit.  

 

Aw, thanks!    I don't know how long ago that was (probably before I made an account here), buuut I wasn't willing to slog through pages and pages of the forum to find out.

 

I'd give everyone more likes, but I've just run out! Anyway, I really appreciate all the discussion and feedback!

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

You know what I always find baffling?

 

I personally am absolutely against treating romance like a values-and-numbers, scientifically predictable game mechanic, which deserves special attention and resources. Yet the ones adamantly demanding it to be handled as such, are also the ones who come across absurdly methodical and matter-of-factly when talking about such things, I cannot fathom what their actual angle is.

 

Despite using the word "romance" a lot.

 

Well, sorry.

 

Edit: I'm just a big fan of equality in these cases. (Not in the communist sense, though; I am very much a capitalist, lel.) Also, all the DA games had an equal amount of choices, excluding Sebastian, but I'm not sure he truly counts anyway.

[Natashina]

Aw, thanks!    I don't know how long ago that was (probably before I made an account here), buuut I wasn't willing to slog through pages and pages of the forum to find out.

 

I'd give everyone more likes, but I've just run out! Anyway, I really appreciate all the discussion and feedback!

Most of the OPs of those threads start off on the most demanding and negative foot possible.  You aren't missing much there.  

[Domiel Angelus]

Why they didn't do something for gay male gamers before that is beyond me, and Garrus would have made an awesome option for both Sheps IMHO (I think everyone deserves a Garrus )

 

Kaiden was originally meant to be a bisexual/homosexual romance in ME 1, but it was cut. We later got Zevran in DAO and the crowd went wild. If you're male and talking to him at least 60% of his dialogue is cut because of it, he only whines about his implants after going over his backstory. If that occurred you may have seen Garrus as a romance in ME 1.  (EDIT MADE HERE AS WELL)

 

Actually male Shepard has 3 options for sure in ME3. Liara, Steve and Kaidan/Ashley. If your male Shepard is straight at least 1 option, if gay at least 1 option depending on Kaidan/Ashley situation.

 

Female Shepard has 2 for sure, Liara and Samantha. If your female Shepard is straight she can have 0 options and this is what I have problem with ME3 options.

 

You're missing Garrus, if you let him die you're just bad at games. Its an even 3 and 3 based on romances that deal with more than 2 short scenes. (EDITED) Many of the carry over romances get very little in the way of face time in the game anyhow.

[Natashina]

<checks the date on Mass Effect 1>

 

<shows 2008 BioWare/EA>

 

<checks the date on Dragon Age: Origins>

 

<shows 2009 BioWare/EA>

 

 

Um, how exactly did Zevran being a same sex option affect the romances in Mass Effect 1?  That's like saying that Ashley (who also said same sex romance lines recorded) wasn't made a bisexual LI because of the backlash against Leliana.  Mass Effect 1 was out a year before DA:O.  Also, if that logic was true, then why would BioWare even dare risk giving gay men two options in ME3 after the debacle behind Anders flirting with a male Hawke?  DA2 was 2011, ME3 was 2012.  Sorry, but I can't wrap my head around your logic in that case.

[Felya87]

 

You're missing Garrus, if you let him die you're just bad at games.

 

That could be said even for those who end up with Miranda, Jack or Tali dead.  Is harder having them dead than having them alive. Is quite easy having enought paragon/renagade points for both Miranda and Tali situations. And at least you have to work for it, but in the end they can be kept alive, not like with Thane and Jacob, who end up cheater or dead no matter what. And bot kaidan adn Garrus ca be potentially dead in ME3.

 

Now that I think about it, no male LI in BioWare history (at least that I know of) have any kind of plot armour that prevent them to die off, am I right?

[AWTEW]

It's just one game, seriously. It's not like two decades worth. Try playing through the older HM games, and having no choice but to romance girls as a guy..seriously.. Not being able to play as a girl too ect ect ect.

 

It's one game...

 

one

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

It's just one game, seriously. It's not like two decades worth. Try playing through the older HM games, and having no choice but to romance girls as a guy..seriously.. Not being able to play as a girl too ect ect ect.

 

It's one game...

 

one

 

I don't think a call for a variety of discussion is an unreasonable request. Plus, I've established that trying to change this is a moot point. Nothing wrong with potential plans for the future.

[Natashina]

I don't think a call for a variety of discussion is an unreasonable request. Plus, I've established that trying to change this is a moot point. Nothing wrong with potential plans for the future.

Exactly.  You're tossing ideas out there for a future game.  You missed the "Gimmie a DLC hot chick to romance" threads that used to be everywhere on the forums.  They still pop up from time to time.

[Panda]

Kaiden was originally meant to be a bisexual/homosexual romance in ME 1 but they cut it after the flak they received from Zevran in DAO. If you're male and talking to him at least 60% of his dialogue is cut because of it, he only whines about his implants after going over his backstory. If that occurred you may have seen Garrus as a romance in ME 1. 

 

 

You're missing Garrus, if you let him die you're just bad at games. Its an even 3 and 3 based on romances that deal with more than 2 short scenes. (EDITED) Many of the carry over romances get very little in the way of face time in the game anyhow.

 

I didn't miss Garrus. He can be death or you didn't romance him in ME2 and then he's not your option. I didn't count him cause I didn't count in those numbers those from ME2 for male Shep that need also be romanced in ME2 in order to continue their romances.

[Char]

Did you complete her side story? If you break it off with her the first time you meet up with her she dies, if she wasn't loyal at the end of ME2 she dies in ME3. If your paragon or renegade meter isn't high enough and you can't talk down her dad, she dies; if you let her dad go she blasts him through a window and dies. 
 
Jack's survival is timed, not based on her loyalty. She ends up a phantom later on if you don't do it as your next mission when it pops up. 
 
Of the "romances", Javik, Vega, Samara, Diana and Kelly do not award the achievement.
 
@Char, the same can be said about leaving Ashley on Virmire. So if you're cutting them out, you're still coming out ahead because men get the following possible deaths on their list in 3: Miranda, Jack, Morinth (Not a repeat romance and dies), Kelly, Tali and Samara; You have one  guaranteed death in Thane and one cheater in Jacob. You also got the best romance written with super bro Garrus and the steamy shower scene with Traynor. Yes, I was one of those cheeky men that played a woman just for that scene instead of watching it on youtube.

The thing is though, if you play as a straight woman and let Kaidan die on Virmire and either romanced Jacob or no-one in ME2 (or maybe started playing at ME3 though I'm not sure on that) you go into ME3 with exactly 0 options. Straight men, no matter what else fails, always have Liara.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

Not to... step on any toes, but if you leave either Kaidan or Ashley to die on Virmire despite intending to romance either of them, you've no one to blame for your fewer choices but yourself.

[Natashina]

Not to... step on any toes, but if you leave either Kaidan or Ashley to die on Virmire despite intending to romance either of them, you've no one to blame for your fewer choices but yourself.

Not if the player doesn't it know it was coming.  They might not have known ahead of time that out of the three options in the second game, one dies in the next game and the other cheats.  If they decided that they don't want to romance Garrus and didn't realize that they killed the only other option for the third game, then that leaves them open for creepy stuff like a Javik hookup.  

 

The only way a straight female player knows about the lack of romance options in later games is through meta-knowledge.  If they come in blind, they might not realize that their options were going to be very limited for the rest of the series.

[Domiel Angelus]

<checks the date on Mass Effect 1>

 

<shows 2008 BioWare/EA>

 

<checks the date on Dragon Age: Origins>

 

<shows 2009 BioWare/EA>

 

 

Um, how exactly did Zevran being a same sex option affect the romances in Mass Effect 1?  That's like saying that Ashley (who also said same sex romance lines recorded) wasn't made a bisexual LI because of the backlash against Leliana.  Mass Effect 1 was out a year before DA:O.  Also, if that logic was true, then why would BioWare even dare risk giving gay men two options in ME3 after the debacle behind Anders flirting with a male Hawke?  DA2 was 2011, ME3 was 2012.  Sorry, but I can't wrap my head around your logic in that case.

 

I made that edit after re-reading it myself, I forget that just because I hopped on ME late doesn't mean it didn't come out later. In my brain I put DA:O first because I had been enjoying that until I found ME at a Gamestop and went "Wait a minute, Bioware did more sci-fi than Star Wars" *buys*.

[Char]

Not to... step on any toes, but if you leave either Kaidan or Ashley to die on Virmire despite intending to romance either of them, you've no one to blame for your fewer choices but yourself.

well sure but some people just aren't that into Kaidan full stop. I've never let him die, but I also don't particularly like him either.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

Not if the player doesn't it know it was coming.  They might not  haverealized that the out of the three options in the second game, one dies and the other cheats.  If they decided that they don't want to romance Garrus, then that leaves them open for creepy stuff like a Javik hookup.

 

The only way a straight female player knows about the lack of romance options is through meta-knowledge.  If they come in blind, they might not realize that their options were going to be very limited for the rest of the series.

 

Actually, that's a very good point. I didn't take into account that not everyone reads up on everything prior to playing like I do, lol.

[Felya87]

Not if the player doesn't it know it was coming.  They might not have known ahead of time that the out of the three options in the second game, one dies and the other cheats.  If they decided that they don't want to romance Garrus and didn't realize that they killed the only other option for the third game, then that leaves them open for creepy stuff like a Javik hookup.

 

The only way a straight female player knows about the lack of romance options in later games is through meta-knowledge.  If they come in blind, they might not realize that their options were going to be very limited for the rest of the series.

 

This. And with all the flirting from Vega, one would have thought he was awailable, since well, half the male LI for straight female is not awailable anymore. and not because of a wrong decision, beside romancing them. 

[Natashina]

Actually, that's a very good point. I didn't take into account that not everyone reads up on everything prior to playing like I do, lol.

I played the ME series for the first time last spring.  I thankfully did know about the romance options, and a few other details like Virmire and being careful with my squad choice for the SM.  At least one of the LIs in ME2 I wasn't interested in, but that's due to a personal hangup of mine.  Jacob is the name of my youngest brother, a family name and there's no way I could romance someone called by that.  Call me petty.  

[AWTEW]

I don't think a call for a variety of discussion is an unreasonable request. Plus, I've established that trying to change this is a moot point. Nothing wrong with potential plans for the future.

 

I mis read op sorry.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

well sure but some people just aren't that into Kaidan full stop. I've never let him die, but I also don't particularly like him either.

 

That's also a good point! I stopped being fond of Kaidan when I realized his thick-headedness doesn't work for me. But then when I consider what Bioware did to Ash in ME3, it's like... why can't I leave them both on Virmire?  Y'know? As a mercy to Ash's character and because Kaidan is kind of a jerk in disguise, IMO.

[SofaJockey]

Last I heard BioWare speak on this, they said that everyone would have choices but they weren't going to lock/limit the romance numbers to mathematical parity if there were plot and character reasons.

 

So there were plot and character reasons.

 

I entirely expect ME:N and DA4 to have at least two choices for everyone,

but there may be more for plot and character reasons.