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I never said a Chevalier wouldn't work as a party member. With how firmly Bioware has been in the "Being dark/bad is cool" camp lately, I'm surprised they didn't in this game. I said a Chevalier wouldn't be a KISA because murdering someone makes you not one.
Wasn't Rainer a Chevalier?
What?
In their games lately, Bioware has had our companions shift to being a lot darker if not flat out bad guys but paint them in a good/cool light, whereas genuinely good people have nearly disappeared from their games, with at best one or two in each group.
Wasn't Rainer a Chevalier?
No, he was just an Orlesian Captain. He wasn't a Chevalier because he wasn't from an Orlesian noble house.
In their games lately, Bioware has had our companions shift to being a lot darker if not flat out bad guys but paint them in a good/cool light, whereas genuinely good people have nearly disappeared from their games, with at best one or two in each group.
You and I have different ideas of Darker/bad guys then
Guest_Mlady_*
No, he was just an Orlesian Captain. He wasn't a Chevalier because he wasn't from an Orlesian noble house.
Ah thanks for clearing that up! I've been told he was, but couldn't find proof of him being one in the game.
What?
Hana's still stuck on this idea that there is something in the Chevalier code that states you have to commit a murder in order to join. I see, "defeat a worthy opponent or defend the land." I've read all the Chevalier entries and it only goes to show that a bunch of corrupt racist jerks during a very tumultuous time in Orlais' history taking advantage of this to play The Game. Not that what happened was the steadfast rule. This series is full of groups that took an honorable code and twisted it to their own ends.
So, let me get this straight. Apostates, spirits, Templars, Circle Mages, Dalish Elves, City Elves, Grey Wardens, Seekers, Bards (ones like Marjoline being stated as more typical for bards,) the various faithful of the Chantry, the Avvar, the dwarves (Varric is supposed to be different since he doesn't long for the Stone and is told how odd that is,) the Legion of the Dead, pirates, blood mages, werewolves (under the guidance of the Lady of the Forest,) and slaves....all allowed to show individuality and different sides of their culture. Many of those examples have either been in our party, as advisers (or both with Leliana,) in the games and in the books.
But this one group isn't allowed to show that not all Chevaliers are like how they were depicted in TME? While overlooking Michel's honor with his agreement to Briala (a city elf no less) that got him exiled from Celene? I'm perplexed.
You and I have different ideas of Darker/bad guys then
Please, point out the characters you saw as good/grey/bad and we can compare notes.
Probably in a PM since we are really getting offtopic.
Hana's still stuck on this idea that there is something in the Chevalier code that states you have to commit a murder in order to join. I see, "defeat a worthy opponent or defend the land." I've read all the Chevalier entries and it only goes to show that a bunch of corrupt racist jerks during a very tumultuous time in Orlais' history taking advantage of this to play The Game. This series is full of groups that took an honorable code and twisted it to their own ends.
So, let me get this straight. Apostates, spirits, Templars, Circle Mages, Dalish Elves, City Elves, Grey Wardens, Seekers, Bards, the various faithful of the Chantry, the Avvar, the dwarves (Varric is supposed to be different entirely,) the Legion of the Dead, pirates, blood mages, werewolves (under the guidance of the Lady of the Forest,) and slaves....all allowed to show individuality and different sides of their culture. But this one group isn't allowed to show that not all Chevaliers are like how they were depicted in TME? I'm perplexed.
It's not hard to understand. There is evidence that says that to become a Chevalier, you have to murder a City Elf. Until there is evidence otherwise, that is what Bioware established: that all Chevaliers do this to become Chevaliers.
Ah thanks for clearing that up! I've been told he was, but couldn't find proof of him being one in the game.
You're welcome. 
That's why I'm hoping we get a (blonde female) Chevalier companion romance in future games
And a lesbian one. 
I'm already drooling.
And a lesbian one.
I'm already drooling.
Personally I would've made her Bi (so Steelcan can finally have his blonde woman lol 
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While I made my Rivaini Archer Naval commander straight
Personally I would've made her Bi (so Steelcan can finally have his blonde woman lol
While I made my Rivaini Archer Naval commander straight
Well, you can have her but i'd like a warrior gay lady for once.
Don't care where she's from tbh, she could be from Rivain or Antiva or an Avvar. (just PLS NO fereldan)
Please, point out the characters you saw as good/grey/bad and we can compare notes.
Probably in a PM since we are really getting offtopic.
DAI
Dorian - Grey
Sera - Good/Grey
Vivienne - Grey
Blackwall -Grey (heh )
Solas is Solas lol
DAI
Dorian - Grey
Sera - Good/Grey
Vivienne - Grey
Blackwall -Grey (heh
Solas is Solas lol
I can already hear hanako fuming tbh lmao.
It's not hard to understand. There is evidence that says that to become a Chevalier, you have to murder a City Elf. Until there is evidence otherwise, that is what Bioware established: that all Chevaliers do this to become Chevaliers.
There is evidence of this happening once, and that's according to Michel. Could it have been more often? Sure, but we don't know that. I see the actual words according to the lore and it doesn't say that. In fact, he never says you have to kill a city elf, only that the upset noble reason was probably made up.
If you want to find a real reason to dislike the group, actually supported in lore by more than just Michel's bosses, they treat all the poor like total crap more often than not. I don't think it being a city elf mattered so much as an excuse to kick the poor around by some power hungry jerks in the most power hungry kingdom in the series right before the country is torn in half by war. It could have been a poor human and it probably wouldn't have mattered. Ever consider that the city elves were being singled out by Chevaliers that had heard about the rumors about Briala and Celene and were being petty about it? I think that's a possibility.
The point is that you're just reading what you want to, and refuse to believe otherwise.
I'm honestly surprised, Hana. You've defended Merrill using blood magic before by pointing out that she has control of it and isn't the typical blood mage. That never wanted to hurt anyone and was doing it to further her people. Even though prior to her, every blood mage had been depicted as evil (Tevinter) or at the very least foolish (Jowan.) So a group that is stereotyped as sacrificing people is allowed their exception in the games, but this group isn't? 
Well, you can have her but i'd like a warrior gay lady for once.
Don't care where she's from tbh, she could be from Rivain or Antiva or an Avvar. (just PLS NO fereldan)
Another popular warrior companion idea was a Fog warrior
Guest_Mlady_*
Another popular warrior companion idea was a Fog warrior
My bet is we're gonna get an Avvar romance, but I'd like a Dwarf for once!
There is evidence of this happening once, and that's according to Michel. Could it have been more often? Sure, but we don't know that. I see the actual words according to the lore and it doesn't say that. In fact, he never says you have to kill a city elf, only that the upset noble reason was probably made up.
If you want to find a real reason to dislike the group, actually supported in lore by more than just Michel's bosses, they treat the all poor like total crap more often than not. I don't think it being a city elf mattered so much as an excuse to kick the poor around by some power hungry jerks in the most power hungry kingdom in the series right before the country is torn in half by war. It could have been a poor human and it probably wouldn't have mattered. Ever consider that the city elves were being singled out by Chevaliers that had heard about the rumors about Briala and Celene and were being petty about it? I think that's a possibility.
The point is that you're just reading what you want to, and refuse to believe otherwise.
I'm honestly surprised, Hana. You've defended Merrill using blood magic before by pointing out that she has control of it and isn't the typical blood mage. That never wanted to hurt anyone and was doing it to further her people. Even though prior to her, every blood mage had been depicted as evil (Tevinter) or at the very least foolish (Jowan.) So a group that is stereotyped as sacrificing people is allowed their exception in the games, but this group isn't?
No, the point is I'm reading them say this is an initiation and that there is no evidence saying it is not the norm, thus with the power of logical thought the conclusion is the initiation is the norm.
Blood Mages aren't a faction(discounting Tevinter of course), but each blood mage is an individual, representing nobody but themselves. The Chevaliers however are an organization, so like all organizations they have rules like how to join. And there is no evidence that says Chevaliers can be Chevaliers without committing murder. The only way a Chevalier can be an exception to that is if they didn't do the initiation, but that means they are not a Chevalier. Do you understand where I am coming from with this?
Another popular warrior companion idea was a Fog warrior
Mmmm, interesting. Anything tbh, as long as she isn't Fereldan and a rogue.
And as for avvar, this Thane in Jaws of Hakkon was.... damn. Wanted to have her babies.
Mmmm, interesting. Anything tbh, as long as she isn't Fereldan and a rogue.
And as for avvar, this Thane in Jaws of Hakkon was.... damn. Wanted to have her babies.
Fog Warriors are so far North you won't have to worry about that lol
My bet is we're gonna get an Avvar romance, but I'd like a Dwarf for once!
No, the Avvar must remain pure! lol
Dorian - Grey
Agree.
Sera - Good/Grey
Not good. She commits murder.
Vivienne - Grey
Agree.
Blackwall -Grey (heh
I know what you're doing.
You know my views on him.
Solas is Solas lol
So...bad? If so, agree.
Probably should've asked for who you thought was good.
Mmmm, interesting. Anything tbh, as long as she isn't Fereldan and a rogue.
And as for avvar, this Thane in Jaws of Hakkon was.... damn. Wanted to have her babies.
Skywatcher sleeps with her, so she isn't a lesbian.
Skywatcher sleeps with her, so she isn't a lesbian.
So? Did i said something about a future romance with her? I said i liked her.
So? Did i said something about a future romance with her? I said i liked her.
You were talking about how you wanted a lesbian warrior love interest, then talk about liking her and "wanting to have her babies", implying sex. Forgive me for thinking you were on the same train of thought as your previous posts.
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