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[Han Shot First]

I prefer gated LIs, because it makes them seem more like real people. All LIs should have some preferences that if the protagonist doesn't match, it just isn't going to happen. It shouldn't just be limited to gender or species preferences either. A LI character with an outlook similar to Vivienne's for example shouldn't be interested in a character who is a blood mage. Likewise a Dalish LI who is very into Elven culture and religion probably shouldn't be interested in a player character that expresses scorn or mockery for both at every opportunity.

 

If that means some people have to go without a LI...so be it. Choices should matter.

[AresKeith]

I prefer gated LIs, because it makes them seem more like real people. All LIs should have some preferences that if the protagonist doesn't match, it just isn't going to happen. It shouldn't just be limited to gender or species preferences either. A LI character with an outlook similar to Vivienne's for example shouldn't be interested in a character who is a blood mage. Likewise a Dalish LI who is very into Elven culture and religion probably shouldn't be interested in a player character that expresses scorn or mockery for both at every opportunity.

 

If that means some people have to go without a LI...so be it. Choices should matter.

 

Fenris totally shouldn't have been able to romance a blood mage Hawke

[daveliam]

@dave: How does gating (= restriction of options) help variety (= multitude of options)?

I think the issue may be that we're talking about two different kinds of variety and happily mixing them up. Variety 1: NPC variety, whatever makes a character distinct (which can include sexual orientation). Variety 2: Options the player has to define their own PC and their story. These two are fundamentally opposed concepts when it comes to LI gating.

Personally, I strongly prefer having options for my PC (V2) rather than having exhaustively defined NPCs (V1), but this really is the subjective preference of every single player. And of every game developer, of course.

 

I agree that this is probably where we're viewing it differently.  But I'm not sure if I'm seeing why the having gated NPCs restricts how you RP your character.  The only way that it restricts is if you absolutely must have a certain combination of PC sexuality and NPC romance.  Otherwise, you still have the same amount of RP options, no? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why did that make you sad? I'm finding it hard to form an opinion on this whole thing so I need to see everyone else's

I saw Merrill as my sexuality, which is rare to find in media, so Gaider being very matter-of-fact in that quote about her being bisexual instead of mine made me sad since for years I saw her like that. 

[AresKeith]

I saw Merrill as my sexuality, which is rare to find in media, so Gaider being very matter-of-fact in that quote about her being bisexual instead of mine made me sad since for years I saw her like that. 

 

Didn't we already go over this in another thread?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Didn't we already go over this in another thread?

We did, but Banshee asked a question so I was answering it. 

[BansheeOwnage]

I saw Merrill as my sexuality, which is rare to find in media, so Gaider being very matter-of-fact in that quote about her being bisexual instead of mine made me sad since for years I saw her like that. 

Oh, okay, thanks. I can see how that makes you sad. To be honest, that was the impression I got from her too.

[wright1978]

I prefer gated LIs, because it makes them seem more like real people. All LIs should have some preferences that if the protagonist doesn't match, it just isn't going to happen. It shouldn't just be limited to gender or species preferences either. A LI character with an outlook similar to Vivienne's for example shouldn't be interested in a character who is a blood mage. Likewise a Dalish LI who is very into Elven culture and religion probably shouldn't be interested in a player character that expresses scorn or mockery for both at every opportunity.

 

If that means some people have to go without a LI...so be it. Choices should matter.

 

Don't think racial,gender gates should exist. I don't think it makes them feel anymore real.

 

I don't mind the notion of romances being linked to affection/approval/friendship etc. If you mock a character's beliefs they could be locked out. If someone makes choices that repels all potential LI's that's ok but they shouldn't be arbitrarily locked before even talking to them.

[Fredward]

I know what you mean OP. I'm still really bothered by Zayn leaving.

[Han Yolo]

If there were more female companions in the first place the romance options might have been more evenly spread. Maybe next game. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I prefer gated LIs, because it makes them seem more like real people. All LIs should have some preferences that if the protagonist doesn't match, it just isn't going to happen. It shouldn't just be limited to gender or species preferences either. A LI character with an outlook similar to Vivienne's for example shouldn't be interested in a character who is a blood mage. Likewise a Dalish LI who is very into Elven culture and religion probably shouldn't be interested in a player character that expresses scorn or mockery for both at every opportunity.

 

If that means some people have to go without a LI...so be it. Choices should matter.

 

Bachelorhood ftw ! 

[Han Shot First]

Don't think racial,gender gates should exist. I don't think it makes them feel anymore real.

 

 

Real people do have similar preferences however. There are people who are just strictly straight or strictly homosexual, and if dwarves and Qunari actually existed, I'm sure there would be plenty of people would just say "Nope!" A lot of people only date within their own ethnic group and that is with people of our own species.

[Panda]

Gating romances seems like there will be more LI's as well (since animating romances for different races and genders takes more time and resources) so in that viewpoint at least for my opinion gates are good. There is more change that you will like at least someone of the LI's if there is 8 LI's than 4. However I hope that the gatings wouldn't be too limiting and that some race and gender combos would be stuck with much less than others.

[wright1978]

Real people do have similar preferences however. There are people who are just strictly straight or strictly homosexual, and if dwarves and Qunari actually existed, I'm sure there would be plenty of people would just say "Nope!" A lot of people only date within their own ethnic group and that is with people of our own species.

 

Real people aren't limited to an artifically restricted small set of li's. Real people have a whole sets of other preferences, looks, hair, physique, dress, speech, class etc. My view is not to go down these rabbit holes and instead pursue an ambiguous approach. For example I don't feel Cass feels more real than Merrill on a given playthrough based on the unknown knowledge that if i selected the other gender in the character creator she would have refused the amorous relationship.

[Han Shot First]

Real people aren't limited to an artifically restricted small set of li's. Real people have a whole sets of other preferences, looks, hair, physique, dress, speech, class etc. My view is not to go down these rabbit holes and instead pursue an ambiguous approach. For example I don't feel Cass feels more real than Merrill on a given playthrough based on the unknown knowledge that if i selected the other gender in the character creator she would have refused the amorous relationship.

 

Merril by herself, no. But if you compare Cass to entire DA2 party as a whole, she seems more realistic.What are the chances that a group of random strangers you cobble together are all going to be bisexual? 

[wright1978]

Merril by herself, no. But if you compare Cass to entire DA2 party as a whole, she seems more realistic.What are the chances that a group of random strangers you cobble together are all going to be bisexual? 

 

You would never know without doing about 8 playthroughs the orientations of the cast being open to both genders. So no i've never played DA2 and thought in game here's a bunch of bi-sexuals. Keep it ambiguous and people can interpret it however they want rather than build silly artificial walls which add nothing to the roleplaying experience.

[Felya87]

You would never know without doing about 8 playthroughs the orientations of the cast being open to both genders. So no i've never played DA2 and thought in game here's a bunch of bi-sexuals. Keep it ambiguous and people can interpret it however they want rather than build silly artificial walls which add nothing to the roleplaying experience.

 

Problem is...not everyone is ambigous about their sexuality in RL. It would feel strange that half the people are openly bisexual like Isabela (or Anders, if Hawke is male) and the others completely balnd about their sexuality. One character? two? ok, but not everyone is.

The DA2 system eradicated sexualityes, and it was cheap and I find it quite depressing. 

[Panda]

Merril by herself, no. But if you compare Cass to entire DA2 party as a whole, she seems more realistic.What are the chances that a group of random strangers you cobble together are all going to be bisexual? 

 

I don't think Merrill feels less real compared to Cass though, cause the unlikeliness of the situation doesn't make it not-realistic even more so when Sebastian and non-LI's don't seem to be bisexuals so it's just that 4 bisexuals of the group are LI's, but there is still non-bisexuals characters in the party as well. Something like Skyrim's situation where everyone doesn't care about others genders or races is bit weirder though and makes the characters feel less alive.

[DanteYoda]

They did. All players have the same options. If you want to impose restrictions on yourself, it's your problem

Then you are right i impose restrictions on myself...... Like no more Bioware games, sad to see but i'm done with these companies..

[wright1978]

Problem is...not everyone is ambigous about their sexuality in RL. It would feel strange that half the people are openly bisexual like Isabela (or Anders, if Hawke is male) and the others completely balnd about their sexuality. One character? two? ok, but not everyone is.

The DA2 system eradicated sexualityes, and it was cheap and I find it quite depressing. 

 

If there are stories need telling with defined sexualities there's plenty of non LI characters with which to base these round. I don't see ambiguity as being bland, its open to the imagination/interpretation.

 

I found the DAI approach restrictive, depressing and worthless.

[Felya87]

If there are stories need telling with defined sexualities there's plenty of non LI characters with which to base these round. I don't see ambiguity as being bland, its open to the imagination/interpretation.

 

I found the DAI approach restrictive, depressing and worthless.

 

I find it the contrary.  for the first time I found myself willingly to create a gay character to romance Dorian. It never happened to me before, since all the companion that could be in a S/S relationship could be in a ethero one too (so since I could choose my preferred approach, I always made ethero romance) and I have fun with it. I would have lost a new kind of roleplay (a different sexuality) if I didn't have the DAI system.

It opened my mind and expanded my roleplay.

[CathyMe]

If there are stories need telling with defined sexualities there's plenty of non LI characters with which to base these round. I don't see ambiguity as being bland, its open to the imagination/interpretation.

 

I found the DAI approach restrictive, depressing and worthless.

I think the DAI aproach is the best one so far. You can flirt with characters who are not romance option ( e.g : a female inquisitor can flirt with cass and dorian, and male inquisitor with cullen and sera), and if they are not interested that way, they'll explain that and turn you down, most of them politely.  That being said, it isn't perfect. Why can't non-elven inquisitors flirt with solas, or male inquisitors with blackwall?

[Abelas Forever!]

I like gated LIs for several reasons. Sometimes there is no way to tell a certain story if the LI is available to everybody such as Dorian's story. I have also difficulties to believe that Solas would have been interested in romancing other races than elves.

The story is a little bit different if the LI is or isn't available for everybody. For example if Alistair would have been bisexual then it would have changed his background as well. He tells you that he hasn't been with anybody because he didn't have the opportunity to meet women so that's why he is inexperienced. But if he would have been bisexual then his background would have been different because I think that it wouldn't have made any sense if he says that he didn't have the opportunity to meet anybody because he has met men but not women. He might have been inexperienced because other men weren't interested in him or that he wasn't interested in other men for some reason but it would have changed his background.

If all the LIs are ambiguous then I think that it means that they can't really tell about their past and if they have had any previous relationships or crushes. Past relationships don't have to be serious but if every LI doesn't have any past relationships then I think it's weird. I would like to have a bisexual male LI who is interested more in men than women but that isn't possible if all the LIs are ambiguous. Anyway I think that if a character can be romanced with both genders then that character is bisexual even if that character is ambiguous.

Although I like gated LIs it doesn't mean that I want every game to have gated LIs. I like that there are different restrictions but if your party is small then it might be a good idea that all the LIs are available to everybody if that fits the LI. I also think that if the devs don't have resources to develop a romance for both genders or all the races then it's better that the romance is restricted than it's doesn't exists at all and I think that there doesn't have to be any explanation in a game for that.

[Abelas Forever!]

I find it the contrary.  for the first time I found myself willingly to create a gay character to romance Dorian. It never happened to me before, since all the companion that could be in a S/S relationship could be in a ethero one too (so since I could choose my preferred approach, I always made ethero romance) and I have fun with it. I would have lost a new kind of roleplay (a different sexuality) if I didn't have the DAI system.

It opened my mind and expanded my roleplay.

I haven't romanced Dorian yet but I'm going to do that. If I can choose then I create a female character and romance male LIs. A while ago I created my first male Shepard and romanced Steve in ME3 and I liked that very much. I wouldn't have created a male Shepard if I could have create a female PC to romance him so I definitely like gated LIs because it motivates me to create a male PC.

[syllogi]

All I want is to romance the dark haired leading lady whom the player meets in the first few minutes of the game and has an important role in the main plot as a female player character.

 

You guys can have 80 female options.  I just want this one thing, once, in a Bioware rpg.