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[In Exile]

Yep!  And Aribeth too.  The hair color might not be as important, but I'd certainly like the opportunity one day to romance the "leading lady", who is ALWAYS written as a love interest for male player characters but is off limits to the ladies.  

 

I'm all about quality over quantity.  And a lot of the times, it seems like the romances with the most content, and which have the most potential for interesting role play, are the ones with the leading lady.

 

You thought Dawn Star was the leading lady? Huh. I suppose she fit the trip, but that personality is just so not my type. I suppose I'm more into Veronica than Betty. 

[BansheeOwnage]

The Anders line "Does that make you feel uncomfortable" when then results in a rival status if you say yes is just terrible and ignorant as if a gay person wouldn't understand that a straight person isn't comfortable with the advances of a gay person lmao.

That post was really hard to understand so I'll just highlight the one section to respond to.

 

That's a lot of generalization you're throwing around there. Everyone reacts differently to people who are interested in them. While some people would definitely be uncomfortable at the advances of a member of the same sex, I'll just speak for myself and say that I would react the same way whether they were a man or a woman.

 

Also, in-series counterexample:

If you pursue Cassandra as a female, these are the options you can reply to her with when she brings up your flirting. The "Should I stop?" option basically says "If I'm making you uncomfortable, I can stop." Cassandra replies that you're not, she simply can't return your affection.

 

She was not made uncomfortable by the advances of another woman, case closed *Hits gavel*

[Grieving Natashina]

That's exactly how my husband would react to gay men hitting on him back in college.  He'd be at a bar and a gay man would offer to buy him a drink.  My husband would politely reply that he isn't gay, but he wouldn't mind the drink.  He takes what I call the Garth Approach (think Wayne's World, when Garth says thank you, only apply it to someone actually flirting) and it sounds like Cassandra is the same way overall:

 

[In Exile]

That's exactly how my husband would react to gay men hitting on him back in college.  He'd be at a bar and a gay man would offer to buy him a drink.  My husband would politely reply that he isn't gay, but he wouldn't mind the drink.  He takes what I call the Garth Approach and it sounds like Cassandra is the same way overall:

 

Ah, bars. What a nightmare for those of us somewhat less socially savvy but somewhat more flexible orientation-wise. Combine that with being overly-friendly and a bit exuberant and it can lead to some awkward (and sometimes awkwardly fun) moments. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Ah, bars. What a nightmare for those of us somewhat less socially savvy but somewhat more flexible orientation-wise. Combine that with being overly-friendly and a bit exuberant and it can lead to some awkward (and sometimes awkwardly fun) moments. 

*Katari voice* I'll be happy if I never see another bar after this.

[SardaukarElite]

If you pursue Cassandra as a female, these are the options you can reply to her with when she brings up your flirting. The "Should I stop?" option basically says "If I'm making you uncomfortable, I can stop." Cassandra replies that you're not, she simply can't return your affection.

 

That scene was a thing of beauty.

 

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I think the main thing is that everyone gets a choice for their character's gender and preferred character's gender. Once you have that it's up to the writers to make stuff interesting, and constraints are interesting.

[Battlebloodmage]

ME is tipped in favor of straight men, DA is tipped in favor of straight women. Is there any game tipped in favor of gay men or women? lol, j/k, it's never gonna happen. 

 

Still, no one likes to get the short end of the straw, the people who complain about women getting more options don't complain when they're the one getting more options and vice versa. It's understandable, I guess.

[suirazul]

That scene was a thing of beauty.

 

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I think the main thing is that everyone gets a choice for their character's gender and preferred character's gender. Once you have that it's up to the writers to make stuff interesting, and constraints are interesting.

 

Cassandra should be a lesbian option first and foremost, it doesn't make that she's straight given how she looks.

[AresKeith]

Cassandra should be a lesbian option first and foremost, it doesn't make that she's straight given how she looks.

 

I'm getting a serious case of deja vu

 

But I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt 

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm getting a serious case of deja vu

 

But I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt 

That makes one of us, as I have no more doubt to give if this is who I think it is.  Did he get finally get the ban hammer on the PoE forums?  I'll give it the course of the weekend to be sure, but I'm pretty sure we're thinking of the same person.

[SardaukarElite]

I'm getting a serious case of deja vu

 

Here we go again.

[AresKeith]

That makes one of us, as I have no more doubt to give if this is who I think it is.  Did he get finally get the ban hammer on the PoE forums?  I'll give it the course of the weekend to be sure, but I'm pretty sure we're thinking of the same person.

 

It could be him but his other account isn't banned, so I dunno

[In Exile]

It could be him but his other account isn't banned, so I dunno

 

Has that ever stopped anyone?

[Grieving Natashina]

It could be him but his other account isn't banned, so I dunno

His first account wasn't banned for quite some time either, believe it or not.  I think we're seeing someone who's main account is temp-banned, but their obsession refuses to let things go until the temp ban is up.  

 

Has that ever stopped anyone?

No, but after the fourth time or so it usually slows people down a little bit.  They tend to wait a few months before coming back and trying again.

[DSiKn355]

That post was really hard to understand so I'll just highlight the one section to respond to.

 

That's a lot of generalization you're throwing around there. Everyone reacts differently to people who are interested in them. While some people would definitely be uncomfortable at the advances of a member of the same sex, I'll just speak for myself and say that I would react the same way whether they were a man or a woman.

 

Also, in-series counterexample:

If you pursue Cassandra as a female, these are the options you can reply to her with when she brings up your flirting. The "Should I stop?" option basically says "If I'm making you uncomfortable, I can stop." Cassandra replies that you're not, she simply can't return your affection.

 

She was not made uncomfortable by the advances of another woman, case closed *Hits gavel*

 

Then she was an improvement on Anders as Anders couldn't accept that you may be uncomfortable as it would instantly raise his rival meter.

 

What about my post did you not understand fully?

 

I can make clear anything you didn't quite understand no problem

[In Exile]

No, but after the fourth time or so it usually slows people down a little bit.  They tend to wait a few months before coming back and trying again.

 

I think you're just underestimating the power of perseverance.  

[Grieving Natashina]

I think you're just underestimating the power of perseverance.

I think I'm accurately estimating the power of creepy obsession though.  It's just strong in this one.  

[BansheeOwnage]

That scene was a thing of beauty.

 

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I think the main thing is that everyone gets a choice for their character's gender and preferred character's gender. Once you have that it's up to the writers to make stuff interesting, and constraints are interesting.

The way Cassandra reacted was great, but the scene lacked a reaction from the Inquisitor. Cassandra just walks away and the cutscene ends. It's kind of like how you can get your clan killed and not bat an eye. These are important things, and it would have added a lot of character if you could show that you're heartbroken in either of those scenarios. Personally, I'd have liked a hug. Not even necessarily from Cassandra, maybe I'd go take one from Cullen or Varric or Dorian. Actually, definitely Dorian in this case. Cole too! But that's not surprising, because I would love more hugs in the game in general. I want to hug Cole, okay?! And hugs are serious business, because it's hard to have a friendship built on platonic love in the game and that would help show it.

 

And there have to be at least 2 options for everyone. Otherwise, some people have to choose between romancing no-one, and one specific person. Those aren't options, not really. Though, that may have been what you meant.

 

Then she was an improvement on Anders as Anders couldn't accept that you may be uncomfortable as it would instantly raise his rival meter.

 

What about my post did you not understand fully?

 

I can make clear anything you didn't quite understand no problem

Well, the problem with Anders was that you had to be uncomfortable; you had to act rudely. So of course he reacted negatively. If you could let him down exactly like Cassandra, that wouldn't have happened in all likelihood.

 

Unfortunately, I'm not sure what I didn't understand What were you asking for, exactly? Ambiguous sexuality that you discover by potentially pursuing a romance?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They're talking about something called "demisexuality." It's a term for "I'm only attracted to people with whom I have a connection." At least that's the description I've heard. I'm not convinced it should be spoken of in the same breath as LGBT, seeing how it's not discriminated against unless a demisexual happens to be in a relationship with a person of the same sex.

I didn't say that demisexuals have been persecuted nearly as much as homosexuality or bisexuality, but merely that asking for demisexual LIs is just as valid as asking for any other sexuality since it is a sexuality. 

[SardaukarElite]

And there have to be at least 2 options for everyone. Otherwise, some people have to choose between romancing no-one, and one specific person. Those aren't options, not really. Though, that may have been what you meant.

 

Oh, I meant there are 2+ characters to romance for everyone. Gender / sexuality makes that a pain to phrase though.

 

The way Cassandra reacted was great, but the scene lacked a reaction from the Inquisitor. Cassandra just walks away and the cutscene ends. It's kind of like how you can get your clan killed and not bat an eye. These are important things, and it would have added a lot of character if you could show that you're heartbroken in either of those scenarios. Personally, I'd have liked a hug. Not even necessarily from Cassandra, maybe I'd go take one from Cullen or Varric or Dorian. Actually, definitely Dorian in this case. Cole too! But that's not surprising, because I would love more hugs in the game in general. I want to hug Cole, okay?! 

 

Yeah, more room for player character to express emotions would be nice. Also Cole hugs.

[Uirebhiril]

I think rather than having openly gay/bi characters romance in general should be built up and then as you approach the level of romance being achieved their sexual orientation should come into play.

 

So if your a guy and the girl your romancing is gay then once you reach that level you get that "friendzone" conversation with "I am gay" at the end of it when your character presses for a reason why.

 

Am I misunderstanding what you mean here? I thought that is exactly how they did it in DAI. Dorian's personal quest does tie in with his sexuality, but you can freely flirt with him for awhile before you learn of his preferences. Cassandra brings it up after awhile and tells you she's not interested. Cullen and Sera shut you down pretty fast if you are not what they prefer, but the only reason we knew who was what ahead of time is because it was announced to players. Someone going in blind to the whole game wouldn't know until it came to that point in the conversations anyway.

[DSiKn355]

 

Well, the problem with Anders was that you had to be uncomfortable; you had to act rudely, so of course he reacted negatively. If you could let him down exactly like Cassandra, that wouldn't have happened in all likelihood.

 

Unfortunately, I'm not sure hat I didn't understand What were you asking for, exactly? Ambiguous sexuality that you discover by potentially pursuing a romance?

 

Yes exactly that!

 

The joy of discovery lol.

 

of course there will be your sex starved type that just love to openly flirt like Isabella and Sera fine.

 

But the others should be more ambiguous as romance in the setting isn't key. The battles are.

Romance is there for the players enjoyment so let us enjoy it to the max, highs and lows, success and heartache.

 

How many times can you say you have been heart broken or friendzoned in a game?

 

What would be really kool is if you were turned down but could still persist and make the romance succeed.

Cassandra is too easy and nowhere near the struggle I am talking about lol.

 

So if you was making it but didn't quite succeed it could end with "yeah he liked her and she liked him but for some reason they just didn't get it on"

Just abit more realistic with variety of outcomes and romance building.

 

 

Am I misunderstanding what you mean here? I thought that is exactly how they did it in DAI. Dorian's personal quest does tie in with his sexuality, but you can freely flirt with him for awhile before you learn of his preferences. Cassandra brings it up after awhile and tells you she's not interested. Cullen and Sera shut you down pretty fast if you are not what they prefer, but the only reason we knew who was what ahead of time is because it was announced to players. Someone going in blind to the whole game wouldn't know until it came to that point in the conversations anyway.

 

Dorian maybe yeah.

 

Cassandra no, Not when she is talking about her ex mage lover that was at the gathering in the first conversation you have with her at Haven's training area.

 

Plus she had the movie "Dawn of the Seeker" lol.

 

And Sera definitely makes it obvious when she is trying to guess Cassandra's colour of her knickers or asking IB about the Qunari women lol.

 

I think it's mainly DA2 was too in your face about things especial with the brothel (only a bi male elf) and Anders.

That was too much for a shrewd like me lmao.

 

Sera was like Isabella but not as bad because Isabella felt like she would just literally **** anything that walks lol.

 

such a turn off lol.

 

I think the setting is always war or some impending doom right?

So romance should be the last thing in your team's mind as dealing with whatever issue should be the major concern thus you should have to pursue all romance (and some with great difficulty) with no easy flirts.

 

Basically you don't need a fricking heart saying "pick me I am the romance option"

You should win them over be being yourself or a type of character they like and at a certain point some may approach you or you will need to approach them.

[BansheeOwnage]

Yes exactly that!

 

The joy of discovery lol.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly how it is in Inquisition? Aside from Dorian and Bull, you have to find out everyone else's sexuality by pursuing them.

[SardaukarElite]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly how it is in Inquisition? Aside from Dorian and Bull, you have to find out everyone else's sexuality by pursuing them.

 

Well, they announced all the romances on the forums before release. So it depends on whether you count BioWare endorsed meta-knowledge or not.

[DSiKn355]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly how it is in Inquisition? Aside from Dorian and Bull, you have to find out everyone else's sexuality by pursuing them.

 

Nah.

 

Cassandra mentions her ex plus she had the movie (if you saw it)

Sera is blatant lol.

Solas probably fits the bill as you literally get nothing from the guy unless your a female elf I guess.

 

And mainly the romance is too obvious with the heart.

 

"This is your romance option! Find out now if you will be rejected" lol.

 

For me it was too easy and simple.

 

I would like it more realistic as we gear towards a new age of gaming with this next gen.

 

More variety in building and outcomes through ambiguity