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[Grieving Natashina]

Varric had three comic series that he was involved in (which I own,) so they'll probably leave it in the EU.  I'm not thrilled, but since one of the stories takes place mostly in the Fade, I doubt that they'll do that.   I do think that all the LI companions should get some more romance time in the form of maybe a special scene in a DLC.  Varric could be interesting for a dwarf related DLC, but Josie needs simply more characterization.  She's great, but I didn't feel like I knew her well by the end of the game.

[DSiKn355]

Varric had three comic series that he was involved in (which I own,) so they'll probably leave it in the EU.  I'm not thrilled, but since one of the stories takes place mostly in the Fade, I doubt that they'll do that.   I do think that all the LI companions should get some more romance time in the form of maybe a special scene in a DLC.  Varric could be interesting for a dwarf related DLC, but Josie needs simply more characterization.  She's great, but I didn't feel like I knew her well by the end of the game.

 

there for the sake of just being there?

[Grieving Natashina]

there for the sake of just being there?

What?  No way!   I think we could actually go along for one of Josie's diplomatic missions and have a neat story come out of that.  Maybe one involving her family, or one involving an old contact from her days in Orlais.  We could go back to Orlais and get mixed up in all sorts of problems with the Game, outside of just Wicked Hearts.  Her and Leliana are the most skilled at the Game in the Inquisition, after all.  We could get a sneak preview of a nation we're never seen firsthand before by going to Antiva because of a shady business deal worthy of the PC's attention in a DLC.  Or her sister could end up as a damsel in distress, and it takes Josie's diplomatic skills as well as the player to rescue her.  Stuff like that. 

 

I've got a lot of ideas.  

[DSiKn355]

What?  No way!   I think we could actually go along for one of Josie's diplomatic missions and have a neat story come out of that.  Maybe one involving her family, or one involving an old contact from her days in Orlais.  We could go back to Orlais and get mixed up in all sorts of problems with the Game, outside of just Wicked Hearts.  Her and Leliana are the most skilled at the Game in the Inquisition, after all.  We could get a sneak preview of a nation we're never seen firsthand before by going to Antiva because of a shady business deal worthy of the PC's attention in a DLC.  Or her sister could end up as a damsel in distress, and it takes Josie's diplomatic skills as well as the player to rescue her.  Stuff like that. 

 

I've got a lot of ideas.  

 

No I meant currently it's like she is there for the sake of just being there.

 

But yeah those ideas would help characterization and possibly help bring some depth to her

[Grieving Natashina]

No I meant currently it's like she is there for the sake of just being there.

 

But yeah those ideas would help characterization and possibly help bring some depth to her

Sorry for misunderstanding you there then.  

 

I disagree a little bit.  I don't think she was just "there," because I felt like my characters had developed a friendship with her.  Which is more than I can say for Cullen in the last game.  Otherwise, yeah, the writers need to do her some more justice.  

[DSiKn355]

Sorry for misunderstanding you there then.  

 

I disagree a little bit.  I don't think she was just "there," because I felt like my characters had developed a friendship with her.  Which is more than I can say for Cullen in the last game.  Otherwise, yeah, the writers need to do her some more justice.  

 

I feel like if you couldn't romance her she is hardly there or matters apart from the assassin mission that all she has really.

[Grieving Natashina]

I feel like if you couldn't romance her she is hardly there or matters apart from the assassin mission that all she has really.

<shrug>  We had different experiences, but I can see what you mean.  Regardless of the details, she didn't get as much characterization as she really needed.  Some DLC would be nice for her and her fans.  

[DSiKn355]

<shrug>  We had different experiences, but I can see what you mean.  Regardless of the details, she didn't get as much characterization as she really needed.  Some DLC would be nice for her and her fans.  

 

Agreed on both accounts

[Grieving Natashina]

Agreed on both accounts

May I take this moment to compliment you on your Sheploo/Tali avatar?  It's very cute.  

[DSiKn355]

May I take this moment to compliment you on your Sheploo/Tali avatar?  It's very cute.  

 

Thank you very much

 

I enjoyed that ship to the maximum

 

Just wished I go my ideal ending of Tali and Shep snuggled up on a bench on the porch of their home on Rannoch looking out on the setting evening sun with their child playing with a robo dog in a field....

 

Oh well

 

Had to go with indoctrination theory and head cannon the rest as being possible lol.

[Grieving Natashina]

EC with High EMS Destroy does equal Shepard lives, so I know that helps me.  It would have been nice to have more closure, but oh well.  I was a Garrus fan myself.  What can I say?  That loyalty and that voice.  I might roll up a Sheploo for Tali, but truthfully the male running animation like an exaggerated stomp, and I couldn't stop laughing.  I'm a late fan to the series.  I got into it after being encouraged to on the forums last spring.  Worth it.  

 

For anyone having trouble early on: Pistols and biotics are your friend.  Biotics can help with overcoming the need to shoot things, and pistols as well as sniper rifles do have an ability you can spec into that stabilizes aiming.

 

To take this back more along the topic (since we've been talking about romances in general,) you know what I wouldn't mind in some form in a DLC?  The chance to ask Iron Bull questions about mages in the Qun.  Sten seemed mostly indifferent, the Arishok's men were pretty fanatical, you're not allowed to ask Tallis despite her idealistic view of the Qun (with a mage v templar main story, which was a big WTH moment for me,) and Bull just barely brings it up.  I think it would be nice for both the romance and friendship arcs.  

 

I think it could be a nice touch if a mage romancing the Bull could ask them about that, and maybe have reactions for the PC like, "Why aren't you afraid of me?  I read Varric's Tale of the Champion, and when I got about Katosh <either being killed by the Qunari or immolating himself,> it seems like Qunari had some set views of the Qun.  What made you different?  Are all Ben Hassarath different than the Arishok, or is this an accepted practice?  

 

For the romances:  "I'm into some kink hun, but I think that's going too far." 

[DSiKn355]

EC with High EMS Destroy does equal Shepard lives, so I know that helps me.  It would have been nice to have more closure, but oh well.  I was a Garrus fan myself.  What can I say?  That loyalty and that voice.  I might roll up a Sheploo for Tali, but truthfully the male running animation like an exaggerated stomp, and I couldn't stop laughing.  I'm a late fan to the series.  I got into it after being encouraged to on the forums last spring.  Worth it.  

 

For anyone having trouble early on: Pistols and biotics are your friend.  Biotics can help with overcoming the need to shoot things, and pistols as well as sniper rifles do have an ability you can spec into that stabilizes aiming.

 

To take this back more along the topic (since we've been talking about romances in general,) you know what I wouldn't mind in some form in a DLC?  The chance to ask Iron Bull questions about mages in the Qun.  Sten seemed mostly indifferent, the Arishok's men were pretty fanatical, you're not allowed to ask Tallis despite her idealistic view of the Qun (with a mage v templar main story, which was a big WTH moment for me,) and Bull just barely brings it up.  I think it would be nice for both the romance and friendship arcs.  

 

I think it could be a nice touch if a mage romancing the Bull could ask them about that, and maybe have reactions for the PC like, "Why aren't you afraid of me?  I read Varric's Tale of the Champion, and when I got about Katosh <either being killed by the Qunari or immolating himself,> it seems like Qunari had some set views of the Qun.  What made you different?  Are all Ben Hassarath different than the Arishok, or is this an accepted practice?  

 

For the romances:  "I'm into some kink hun, but I think that's going too far." 

 

same here. I got into and completed the ME trilogy late last year (September)

i liked Garrus but the funny thing is because BW set it that Tali and Garrus would hook up in ME3 if you wasn't romancing either one of them they shared alot of dialogue time and even flirted together so when I was getting brushed off because BW couldn't be bothered putting in any LI dialogue time I found myself quite pi$$ed and jealous of Garrus lol.

 

For me I was upset with what DAI had made of the Qunari.

 

Iron Bull for me was a mockery of the Qunari and was only classed as one by appearance as his character seriously lacked any feel of Qunari as opposed to their portrayal in DA:O and DA2.

 

Sera I would have liked to know more of if her speech pattern wasn't so annoying lol

[Tayah]

There are people in Val Royeaux who actually talk about how the embargo was lifted after you complete the quest. But I can see how it would be better coming from her mouth instead of randomly being triggered by random NPCs. 

 

I'm hoping in a future DLC this comes up. Her VA is all for Josephine getting married. Maybe the new Divine will change the Chantry's view on marriage.

 

*reads the Rainier/Josephine pairing brought up*

*goes into corner and cries* 

Yeah I forgot about them, I didn't hear that in my playthrough and only heard it on the forums so it's easily missed another reason why it would be better hearing it from Josie. I hope a future DLC does add a lot to Josie and give her more growth.

 

And yeah sorry about that, I feel pretty similar to you on Rainer as far as I can tell which is why seeing those messenger scenes (also here on the forums) really disappointed me because Josie seemed more interested in that than in the inquisitor for most of the romance. 

 

That's a really good reply. Summed up lots of my thoughts. To add to that though, I would have really liked to see a side of her that didn't have to do with diplomacy or politics. I haven't done her romance (but according to what you said, I wouldn't like how one-sided it seems), but you really only have one conversation with her that isn't about that. The one on the balcony. It's not a particularly long exchange either.

 

I just feel like she's a bit of a one-dimensional character, unfortunately. Hear me out. To me, she's polite, and only polite. Being polite does not make her kind or noble. It just makes her polite, which is her job, and it's honestly a bit scary that she never turns that off. Obviously, she is not mean or evil or anything either, but I just have trouble seeing much of her that isn't her being diplomatic. It probably would have helped if her personal quest showed a different side of her instead of the exact same side. I barely know any of her opinions. Does she support mages etc.?

I agree seeing other sides to her would be nice as well though I actually like that she's polite and scary polite because it's different to most characters. I also suspect she'd be the queen of all guilt trippers.  There are notes around Skyhold and dialogue with Harding that leads me to think Josie is genuinely a kind person and she does seem to take good care of the people who have joined the inquisition but it would be nice to see this in other ways too. And her opinions would be really nice to hear because I was playing a qunari mage so how she felt about both qunari (Vashoth) and mages would have been nice to know. 

 

@Nat, I really like your ideas on expanding Josie's character arc and I hope you feel better soon.

[Monster20862]

Apologies if a thread like this was already made once upon a time.

Why do female Inquisitors have six romance options (negating race-gating) to choose from, while male Inquisitors have only four?

Is it because of the whole "Cullen and Egg were initially going to be bisexual" thing, but when Bioware pansied out of it/"didn't have enough time," they didn't realize that now there's an unbalanced amount of potential LI's per sex?

Females have Josie, Ser-ugh, Irritable Bowel IB, Beardy, Egg, and Cullen. That's six.

Males have Dorian ( ), Cassie, Josie, and IB. That's four. And I'm not counting Harding for obvious reasons, but even if I did, females would still have two more options than men do.

I understand that had Bioware not backed out (like a punk) of making Cullen and Egg romanceable to men, a lot of players would be fanny-troubled over having more gay options for their men than straight, but still. (As an unnecessary aside: I would be quite happy, as I always play gay heroes anyway. Well, I'd be happy to have Cullen, not so much Egg, but at least I have Dorian. If IB was the only male romance option for my Inquisitor, he would be a very sad and lonely man. Much like my poor Aedan was pre-Awakening.)

So, um, anyway... opinions?

PS: Sorry if I slandered your chosen romances' "good names," but... Well, no, actually that's about all I've got. And I'm not really even that sorry, tee-hee!

I have no idea who you're talking about with those nicknames. Sorry I'm not one of the cools kids who knows every cool nickname.

[Grieving Natashina]

I have no idea who you're talking about with those nicknames. Sorry I'm not one of the cools kids who knows every cool nickname.

Josephine, Sera Iron Bull, Blackwall (Beardy), and Solas (Egg, for a shiny bald head like an egg; as well as he's an "egghead," which is slang for a very smart and well read person.)  It took me a glancing at Solas' fan thread translate it.  I think "Egg," and "Beardy" are the only ones I've seen, other than Josie course.   I don't know if it's a cool kids thing.  I think that it's just a character fan thing, and we can all be silly about our favorite characters to one extent or another.  

 

_{<politely ignores the jab against Iron Bull>}

[Panda]

For me I was upset with what DAI had made of the Qunari.

 

Iron Bull for me was a mockery of the Qunari and was only classed as one by appearance as his character seriously lacked any feel of Qunari as opposed to their portrayal in DA:O and DA2.

 

Well to me Iron Bull was first Qunari character who didn't make me want to go Holy crusade against whole Par Vollen so I actually liked how Bioware dealth with qunari with him ^^;

 

He's pretty good character personality-wise too, though the romance has some weird scenes (I'm talking smelling his arm in tavern and other scenes like that not the BDSM ones..).

[Grieving Natashina]

 

He's pretty good character personality-wise too, though the romance has some weird scenes (I'm talking smelling his arm in tavern and other scenes like that not the BDSM ones..).

 

I thought that was just the character getting drunk and kinda bumping into his arm.  Maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but I don't remember any "armpit smelling."

 

...I just typed that in as a serious statement.  Well played, well played.

[Shechinah]

 

I thought that was just the character getting drunk and kinda bumping into his arm.  Maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but I don't remember any "armpit smelling."

 

...I just typed that in as a serious statement.  Well played, well played.

It happens regardless of whether or not you are in a romance with him if I remember correctly so it seems to just be the Inquisitor being drunk and unable to sit right.

[Grieving Natashina]

It happens regardless of whether or not you are in a romance with him if I remember correctly so it seems to just be the Inquisitor being drunk and unable to sit right.

That's what I thought too.  Iron Bull was the first romance I did, and the most recent (til this elf I'm currently playing,) with Cullen somewhere in the middle.  So I wasn't 100% certain if it was romance only or friendship as well as romance.  Thanks for clearing that up.  

 

My elf is headed straight for heartbreak with Solas.  It's a slow process.  I picked up Vivienne, and I'm about to go get Sera and the Bull.  

[DSiKn355]

Well to me Iron Bull was first Qunari character who didn't make me want to go Holy crusade against whole Par Vollen so I actually liked how Bioware dealth with qunari with him ^^;

 

He's pretty good character personality-wise too, though the romance has some weird scenes (I'm talking smelling his arm in tavern and other scenes like that not the BDSM ones..).

 

I didn't like it as his ethnicity was gone and he had become just a common bruiser type character with no real identity.

 

His speech pattern never sounded like he was raised following the Qun or even among other Qunari.

 

Even Sera was weird for an elf, she seemed to not like elves lol.

 

And for a group of people that have been persecuted for hundreds of years you would at least expect some type unity among the elves.

 

Nah I think the characters and their original portrayals of their races got messed up with DA:I personally.

[Panda]

 

I thought that was just the character getting drunk and kinda bumping into his arm.  Maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but I don't remember any "armpit smelling."

 

...I just typed that in as a serious statement.  Well played, well played.

 

Sure looked for me like quizzy was sniffling his arm with flirty look in her eyes..

 

But I guess it's up to interpretation

[Shechinah]

I didn't like it as his ethnicity was gone and he had become just a common bruiser type character with no real identity.

 

1) His speech pattern never sounded like he was raised following the Qun or even among other Qunari.

 

2) Even Sera was weird for an elf, she seemed to not like elves lol.

 

3) And for a group of people that have been persecuted for hundreds of years you would at least expect some type unity among the elves.

 

Nah I think the characters and their original portrayals of their races got messed up with DA:I personally.

1) Iron Bull was a Qunari spy so him acting or talking anything like someone from the Qun would make his job very difficult even if his disguise was as a mercenary since other mercenaries might have fought qunari before. The less like a qunari he acted, the more his disguise worked and the more like a qunari he acted, the more suspecious and unnerving he would be.

 

2) I actually liked that Sera had a dislike of being defined within a racial identity especially if she did not grow up amongst other elves or their culture - she'd have little in common with them.

 

3) Actually, it would only make sense that there would be those who cared little for racial identities especially since there can be so large cultural gaps and we have even encountered an elven slaver named Devera in DA:O during the Alienage subplot. She identified herself as a Tevinter first and foremost if you bring up her elven heritage so this is nothing new and only make sense.

 

I consider the characters and their original portrayal as fitting with the rest of the franchise and expanded upon but not change. Well, they've been changed physically but otherwise not though I'll admit I prefer the DA:II look for the Kossith Qunari Horned people especially the black eyes. Those were just badass.

[DSiKn355]

1) Iron Bull was a Qunari spy so him acting or talking anything like someone from the Qun would make his job very difficult even if his disguise was as a mercenary since other mercenaries might have fought qunari before. The less like a qunari he acted, the more his disguise worked and the more like a qunari he acted, the more suspecious and unnerving he would be.

 

2) I actually liked that Sera had a dislike of being defined within a racial identity especially if she did not grow up amongst other elves or their culture - she'd have little in common with them.

 

3) Actually, it would only make sense that there would be those who cared little for racial identities especially since there can be so large cultural gaps and we have even encountered an elven slaver named Devera in DA:O during the Alienage subplot. She identified herself as a Tevinter first and foremost if you bring up her elven heritage so this is nothing new and only make sense.

 

I consider the characters and their original portrayal as fitting with the rest of the franchise and expanded upon but not change. Well, they've been changed physically but otherwise not though I'll admit I prefer the DA:II look for the Kossith Qunari Horned people especially the black eyes. Those were just badass.

 

DA2 Qunari did look better lol

 

Nah see for me I didn't think it needed to be over done like that with Iron bull as in DA2 we saw Qunari that had left the Qun but still spoke in their ethnic way.

 

And I guess overall the races are made to not matter in DA:I as their differences and cultural aspects have been taken away.

 

It's down to DA:I's writing.

 

The main thing that set things into motion was the templars / mage war and that is underplayed and over with by the time of the attack on Haven.

 

Corypheus and his goal to become a god just feels empty

 

So when there is other things lacking like character depth or personality and culture that sets them apart I just personal don't like it as there is nothing to be immersed in because it's all just hollow.

 

You might have found things to your liking but for me it was just not good enough hence I only played the game twice to see the difference between choosing the mages and the templars and never bothered playing again as there is nothing to bring me back or keep me interested.

[Shechinah]

*snip*

 

That's perfectly understandable

I hope that if you decide to buy the next installment that you'll find it more enjoyable and satisfying.
 

[DSiKn355]

That's perfectly understandable

I hope that if you decide to buy the next installment that you'll find it more enjoyable and satisfying.
 

 

BioWare will really need to be on the ball before I spend money on their products again lol

 

So far from playing ME series and DA series I see BioWare can build a good story at times but they are also very lazy most of the time and the endings can then suffer as they try to concentrate on dramatics rather than substance.

 

It's like having an action movie with a whole load of explosions which look cool but then if someone asks "whats happening?" the response is "I dunno, but its awesome." I just expect from my stories when a story starts well.

 

"Start as you mean to go on"