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[BansheeOwnage]

 

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For one, LGBT movement is not a joke.  I think you're looking at a few extremists as the reflection of a whole group.  Same with feminism.  I would do some research on the history of these things before setting your opinion in stone.  They shouldn't quit either asking for equal rights as non-straight people, neither should women or people that are Western minorities.  It's folks that are trying to use a few jerks to color their perceptions that are the problem.  It's the fact that people can't get over it.  Not the fault of those that are seeking equal rights, whether they be non-white, non-straight, transgender, female or mix of the above.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "femnazi" in the LGBT community.  Someone that's an extremist of any ideal comes from all walks of life.  I've seen feminists like me (hiya!)  that don't hate men, that are LGBT, and that roll their eyes at the extremists.  Those are the feminists I've encountered and had personal conversations with in the past more often than anyone else.

 

I don't argue that a few LGB+ people are meaning unnecessarily mean without cause towards transgender folks.  That's not even most of the community, just a few jerks.  Same as anywhere else.

 

I agree with your on topic idea.

 

 

I'd noticed that before.  So many brunettes, and one red head.  One elven lady available for the male PC to romance too.

 

Thanks for saying all that. Like I said, I think I have a word limit per day or something A couple of things to add: I'm not sure where the comment about women shirking responsibility with pregnancy came from (not you, Natashina). Generally, women still work while pregnant, it's after that that they take maternity leave. But paternity leave is becoming a thing now, luckily, and often parents alternate to take care of the child the best they can. Point is, it has nothing to do with gender. I also doubt "gay" and "lesbian" will become derogatory in the same way many other words do. They already have been, but are embraced by their communities, and with things slowly and steadily getting better, I doubt those words will become derogatory. I could be wrong though.

[DSiKn355]

Thanks for saying all that. Like I said, I think I have a word limit per day or something A couple of things to add: I'm not sure where the comment about women shirking responsibility with pregnancy came from (not you, Natashina). Generally, women still work while pregnant, it's after that that they take maternity leave. But paternity leave is becoming a thing now, luckily, and often parents alternate to take care of the child the best they can. Point is, it's has nothing to do with gender. I also doubt "gay" and "lesbian" will become derogatory in the same way many other words do. They already have been, but are embraced by their communities, and with things slowly and steadily getting better, I doubt those words will become derogatory. I could be wrong though.

 

I think in the PC's course of getting rid of labels they will eventually want to get rid of gay and lesbian.

 

It just follows their way of thinking.

 

I mean I get a condition/sexuality/worldly view shouldn't define a person but it can effect what a person is capable of.

 

And if I try treat them fairly I can also become the victim just from my choice of words

 

for example...

 

Say I am a tutor with a class of 30 and one of them has Down's.

I am teaching math and ask multiple students the answer to a high level sum and when they get it wrong my response is

 

"Are you stupid? clearly that is not the answer, try again"

 

Now everyone might see me as harsh or "a dick"

 

But once I give this same equal response to the child with Down's I become a bully or "out of order"

 

Things just can't always be equal.

 

With pregnant women working

 

1. It depends on the job as certain jobs don't want a pregnant woman in public view as a representation of their company and with some it's physically a health hazard (like air stewardess).

2. The pregnant woman's maternity leave starts usually from the last 2 or 3 months of pregnancy (which men don't do) to the child being about 2 or 3 months old (total 6 months max).

 

And the responsibility (again) is a separate issue as is the age of retirement but they all tie in to work so I mentioned them.

 

For me political correctness is about making all equal or rather none stand out.

 

Did you know someone who is autistic you cannot actually call autistic just like someone who is schizophrenic you cannot call schizophrenic.

 

It's weird.

 

I am no longer half casted I am now mixed race lol.

 

Give it time and everyone will become something different lol.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

for example...

 

Say I am a tutor with a class of 30 and one of them has Down's.

I am teaching math and ask multiple students the answer to a high level sum and when they get it wrong my response is

 

"Are you stupid? clearly that is not the answer, try again"

 

Now everyone might see me as harsh or "a dick"

 

But once I give this same equal response to the child with Down's I become a bully or "out of order"

 

Things just can't always be equal.

Regardless of the child's condition, a teacher calling a student stupid would be out of order. So in that case, it is already equal. 

[DSiKn355]

Regardless of the child's condition, a teacher saying what you said would be out of order. Calling a child stupid is a good way to lose your job as a teacher. 

 

Yes but it would be made an issue of if the child is down's. (hope you aint thinking child like kindergarten lol. Why would they be learning high level maths? )

 

Put it into a university lecturer situation.

 

Again only when said to a down's person does it get that backlash.

 

It's hypocrisy because you got to treat them equal but still be mindful of their condition/preference/gender/etc etc

 

It can never be fully equal it just doesn't work like that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes but it would be made an issue of if the child is down's.

 

Put it into a university lecturer situation.

 

Again only when said to a down's person does it get that backlash.

 

It's hypocrisy because you got to treat them equal but still be mindful of their condition/preference/gender/etc etc

 

It can never be fully equal it just doesn't work like that.

It would be made an issue regardless. A teacher calling a student stupid is a good way for that teacher to lose their job. Their job is to teach how to reach the answer, not belittle and insult a student who gets it wrong. There would always be a backlash to the teacher if they did that. 

 

You call it hypocrisy. I call it empathy. 

[DSiKn355]

It would be made an issue regardless. A teacher calling a student stupid is a good way for that teacher to lose their job. Their job is to teach how to reach the answer, not belittle and insult a child who gets it wrong. There would always be a backlash to the teacher if they did that. 

 

You call it hypocrisy. I call it empathy. 

 

No you see empathy is understanding something from the person's point of view (thoughts/feelings etc)

 

But when you have to actually change what you are doing or restrict something because it isn't fair on student X but then Student X is saying "I wanna be treated equally" that is the hypocrisy in the problem.

 

Because if you are empathizing with them then you will let them freely be treated like everyone else as that is what they want and are feeling.

 

understand?

[SardaukarElite]

Remember kids, every time someone complains about political correctness it's a drink and feminazi is a scull.

[BansheeOwnage]

I think in the PC's course of getting rid of labels they will eventually want to get rid of gay and lesbian.

 

It just follows their way of thinking.

 

Things just can't always be equal.

 

With pregnant women working

 

1. It depends on the job as certain jobs don't want a pregnant woman in public view as a representation of their company and with some it's physically a health hazard (like air stewardess).

2. The pregnant woman's maternity leave starts usually from the last 2 or 3 months of pregnancy (which men don't do) to the child being about 2 or 3 months old (total 6 months max).

1. I'm not against labels, but I wish people wouldn't take too much out of them. They're a general indication of one of your traits, not an in-depth analysis of it. I wish people would take the gist of it and suspend anything deeper until they've talked to you. How can the LGBT community be against labels? It's right there in the name, so I don't think we want to get rid of them. I'm all for labels becoming less important, too, but I still want them to exist, because it's a lot easier to explain something about myself in one word than 50.

 

For example if I said I was a socialist, that opens a huge can of worms. I don't want people to assume every policy I support, but if interpreted properly, it can give people a (very) general view of my politics. The same can be said for "atheist", "lesbian" etc. though those are a bit more specific.

 

2. Those may be the standard where you come from, but believe me, it varies tremendously depending on your country, territory and your employer. I've heard of maternity/paternity leave being a year or more after birth.

[DSiKn355]

1. I'm not against labels, but I wish people wouldn't take too much out of them. They're a general indication of one of your traits, not an in-depth analysis of it. I wish people would take the gist of it and suspend anything deeper until they've talked to you. How can the LGBT community be against labels? It's right there in the name, so I don't think we want to get rid of them. I'm all for labels becoming less important, too, but I still want them to exist, because it's a lot easier to explain something about myself in one word than 50.

 

For example if I said I was a socialist, that opens a huge can of worms. I don't want people to assume every policy I support, but if interpreted properly, it can give people a (very) general view of my politics. The same can be said for "atheist", "lesbian" etc. though those are a bit more specific.

 

2. Those may be the standard where you come from, but believe me, it varies tremendously depending on your country, territory and your employer. I've heard of maternity/paternity leave being a year or more after birth.

 

1. You have one word that describes both "gay" and "lesbian" it's "Homosexual" right?   lol.

And maybe you are confused but LGBT do not govern political correctness so they can't decide what is or isn't PC.

 

2. I did say it depends on the job and you further prove why women don't get paid the same. How can you pay someone who will (the majority) likely take a year out of work. Some employers just let them go if the leave is going to be too long for them and then reinstate them when they are ready to return. generally a man only gets 22 days off for holidays a year. So if someone who can take a year out then says "but I want to get paid the same as you" generally the feeling is "then put in the same time." this isn't being sexist or funny in anyway it's just being "equal."

 

If a woman can have a year off then let a man have a year off.

 

But if that can't happen how can you expect equal treatment in that subject? That would be "special treatment" not equal because both parties are not treated the same.

[Abelas Forever!]

That's kinda obvious, isn't it? But that wasn't the issue we discussed about - the issue is whether there's anybody suitable to replace previous Inquisitor in case he/she would find themselves in a situation, in which they'd have to choose whether they stay with Inquisition, or - say - embark on new adventure (btw. I assume that the DLC would be substantial and won't focus on romance TOO much, considering that not everyone chose to play female elf or romance Solas. There HAS to be some sort of option for, say, befriended Inquisitors as well - or all of them, whether approved or not, considering that they still wield the Anchor).

It seems that we have been discussing about different things I was discussing about whether somebody else could lead the inquisition. I wasn't talking about how suitable they are or not for the job. But if we talk about who is suitable for the job after the main events then it's possible that somebody else could be even more suitable for the job than you. I think it's hinted in the epilogue that not everybody approves that you are leading the inquisition. When times goes on people might forget what you have done and they might start to question whether you did all those things what you did. In that case you might not be the best person to lead the inquisition and it might be wise to give the position to somebody else.

I haven't been talking about a DLC concentrating on romanced Lavellan and her adventures with Solas. I have been talking about a situation which could happen in the DAI's last DLC where it could be possible for romanced Lavellan to join Solas. So their story is resolved in a DLC and DA4 could start with a new protagonist. It also wouldn't be an adventure. It would be a decision where Lavellan would leave the inquisition for good and move on with her life.

 

 

I didn't say that he'd disapprove of any choice, in case they'd find themselves in a situation that would require Inquisitor's assistance. I simply said that he'd disapprove if Lavellan made a choice based predominantly on picking ancient elves over humans or something like that. 

 

Also - whether he'd want it or not may be irrelevant. He does leave her after all and claims that he can't be with her - what's the reason for it we don't yet know, but it may encompass everything: from him not wanting to see her eventually wither a die, to not waning to risk her life or maybe her seeing him do something terrible... and might as well be all those things

You could still explain why you chose elves over humans to Solas and he would understand and I believe that he wouldn't disapprove if you would do that in the first place.

This is about their last romance scene (http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Solas):
"When he kisses the Inquisitor, he is fully ready to lose himself in her and forget about the mission he has dedicated himself to. However, when he pulls back, he realizes that he cannot do that lest he betray himself. He decides right then that he needs to break off his emotional entanglement with the Inquisitor, as much as it hurts him. Solas cares deeply for the Inquisitor, in more ways than he is able to express."

His mission comes first but it doesn't meant that he doesn't love Lavellan or doesn't want to be with her.

 

 

It has everything to do with steering suspicions away from the elves - he even said that, after talking with Inquisitor before finding Skyhold. Just pay attention to what he says when he takes your Inquisitor to the side, where he reveals that the orb was of elven origin.

 

Also: Skyhold lies in a place that was of tremendous importance to ancient elves - you'd think Solas would just give away its location, simply because it was "suitable for Inqusition"?

 

I thought that you were talking about steering suspicions away from elves because Solas would want to restore elves by changing the people's attitudes towards them.  I was disagreeing on that because the reason why he wants you to get allies is because the orb is elven and when people find out about that it might have some negative consequences if you haven't proved that you are a good ally.

I think Solas is desperate and he needs inquisition to get his orb back and he sees that if he helps inquisition and inquisition succeeds in defeating Corypheus then he can get his orb back. That is the most important thing for him because he needs that orb to help his people. He would do whatever it takes to help them so revealing Skyhold to people is quite minor price to pay for achieving his goal.

 

 

How's that different to what modern elves are to ancient elves?

 

I wasn't talking in general. I was just talking about my inquisitors. That's how they feel.

 

 

I think any smart and insightful Inquisitor suspects that Solas is more than he chooses to give away. In fact, the game hints at it - the approved Inquisitor (not just elven one) asks "there's more to that, isn't it?" after Solas laments over broken orb and can say to Leliana that something else must be going on for him to leave so suddenly.
 

I think it depends on the inquisitor whether they suspected anything. Some of the inquisitors are  probably confused at the end about his disappearance and they didn't suspect anything while others might have some suspicions earlier.

 

 

There's a ton of reasons why they also wouldn't approve, aside form those I mentioned earlier. She IS an outsider and she is a mortal - that itself separates her from her ancestors, in more than one way.

 

Having a mark or being with Solas may not also mean much, as far as we know - I mean, what if there are fighting factions, even among the remnants? What if even ancient elves don't know that Solas is (apparently) Fen'Harel and for whatever reason he can't reveal himself as such? What if having the mark would only bring resentment, or somebody would try to kill her because of it?

 

As for elves not approving at first, but changing their mind after learning that she's on their side... how's that different for humans of Thedas? Wouldn't, in fact, a revered elf Inquisitor be a perfect ambassador for her people? That task alone - representing her people among other races of Thedas, might require her to stay in Inquisition, even if only on behalf of reinstating ancient elves back to Thedas.

I suspect that Abelas knew who Solas is so most likely the ancient elves would know who he is. Anyway if he wouldn't lead or has a very powerful position among the ancient elves I don't see any reason why he would be among them if he even wants be with them or lead them. All he wants to do is to help them and that doesn't necessarily require for him to lead them or be with them.

There is probably fighting factions among ancient elves. But how does that differ from humans on Thedas? There are also fighting factions among them. I believe that it's also possible that you are not safe even if you are inquisitor. People might try to assassinate you regardless where you are. What comes to mark it can be a good thing or a bad thing.

It's most likely that the ancient elves wouldn't approve you at first and this doesn't differ  from the situation what you had when you became inquisitor so what are you trying to say? Besides it's more likely that some of the ancient elves would approve you eventually.

What I'm trying to say is that whether you are inquisitor or you are among the ancient elves there is always going to be people who don't approve you and you might be in danger.

I think inquisitor would a bad ambassador for ancient elves. Why would they want an elven inquisitor to represent them? Why would they trust her when she is not ancient elf? People on Thedas would loose their trust in you if you would be inquisitor and ambassador for ancient elves at the same time.
 

[Tayah]

I think in the PC's course of getting rid of labels they will eventually want to get rid of gay and lesbian.

 

It just follows their way of thinking.

 

I mean I get a condition/sexuality/worldly view shouldn't define a person but it can effect what a person is capable of.

 

And if I try treat them fairly I can also become the victim just from my choice of words

 

for example...

 

Say I am a tutor with a class of 30 and one of them has Down's.

I am teaching math and ask multiple students the answer to a high level sum and when they get it wrong my response is

 

"Are you stupid? clearly that is not the answer, try again"

 

Now everyone might see me as harsh or "a dick"

 

But once I give this same equal response to the child with Down's I become a bully or "out of order"

 

Things just can't always be equal.

 

With pregnant women working

 

1. It depends on the job as certain jobs don't want a pregnant woman in public view as a representation of their company and with some it's physically a health hazard (like air stewardess).

2. The pregnant woman's maternity leave starts usually from the last 2 or 3 months of pregnancy (which men don't do) to the child being about 2 or 3 months old (total 6 months max).

 

And the responsibility (again) is a separate issue as is the age of retirement but they all tie in to work so I mentioned them.

 

For me political correctness is about making all equal or rather none stand out.

 

Did you know someone who is autistic you cannot actually call autistic just like someone who is schizophrenic you cannot call schizophrenic.

 

It's weird.

 

I am no longer half casted I am now mixed race lol.

 

Give it time and everyone will become something different lol.

I figure I might as well try and give this a go. In the first example if you're default response to a wrong answer is to call the student stupid that's probably more a reflection on you than on them, further if most of the students are getting the question wrong you're clearly not explaining the way to get the right answer very well so again the problem is your teaching style and at that point all your students are equally disadvantaged. You may have needed a better example here for what you're really talking about.

 

Secondly with regard to women, yes many are at some point going to want to start a family but when you hire a woman you don't have the right to immediately underpay her because she might get pregnant in a few years. Let's say two people are doing the exact same job and they do it equally well, one is a man and the other is a woman. At this point why should one be paid more than the other? You don't know if she's going to get pregnant or if he's going to break his leg in an accident on holiday for example. If either were working less than the other they should make less yes? But it is blatantly unfair to penalise someone based on something that hasn't even happened. Also in Australia the retirement age is the same for men and women (and it's going up if you're curious) so as Banshee said some things very greatly from country to country.

 

Also for the hell of it, women and men compete equally in equestrian events, female jockeys now compete in many races too and there continues to be debate about women competing in the MLB (Baseball, they already compete with men in the AAA and lower levels, it's more culture and discrimination than talent or ability keeping them out) and you can make pretty good money playing mixed doubles in tennis too. Oh and there's one or two female NASCAR drivers (I think that's how you spell it and potentially other drivers as well) so there's that too.

 

Having said all that yes things can be taken to ridiculous lengths including PC language and so on but that doesn't mean the original argument behind something is wrong and sometimes those being blamed for things aren't even the ones using the terms you're talking about anyway. Before it became about being PC the original reason for some of the changes to terms used was to give people more respect because the original words describing them were derogatory and lead to dehumanising people, racist slurs and calling people with mental or learning disabilities names made it easier to not think of the person and just treat them badly or as less human. It's also important to remember that some of the people pushing ridiculous terms or 'feminist' views may be extremists or may be opponents of whatever cause trying to discredit it. 

 

Ultimately for me there's a difference between equality and fairness, I always want fairness (and yes I know life isn't fair but people can be) but equality is situational. I want equal pay for equal work but if I need a higher desk or whatever because I'm taller than everyone else I want that rather than all desks at equal heights. Terminology just comes down to respect, if I know someone with dwarfism prefers the term little person then fine, that's just a little basic manners and respect. And I have no problem with being described as a lesbian and I don't see that label changing soon. I think that's pretty much everything I wanted to say...

 

Oh yeah, on topic I think a DLC that added more to the companions and advisors would be fantastic. 

And Harding... more Harding please.

[SardaukarElite]

1. You have one word that describes both "gay" and "lesbian" it's "Homosexual" right?   lol.

And maybe you are confused but LGBT do not govern political correctness so they can't decide what is or isn't PC.

 

Maybe you're confused but political correctness isn't some all powerful UN agency that can control what words people use.

[DSiKn355]

I figure I might as well try and give this a go. In the first example if you're default response to a wrong answer is to call the student stupid that's probably more a reflection on you than on them, further if most of the students are getting the question wrong you're clearly not explaining the way to get the right answer very well so again the problem is your teaching style and at that point all your students are equally disadvantaged. You may have needed a better example here for what you're really talking about.

 

Secondly with regard to women, yes many are at some point going to want to start a family but when you hire a woman you don't have the right to immediately underpay her because she might get pregnant in a few years. Let's say two people are doing the exact same job and they do it equally well, one is a man and the other is a woman. At this point why should one be paid more than the other? You don't know if she's going to get pregnant or if he's going to break his leg in an accident on holiday for example. If either were working less than the other they should make less yes? But it is blatantly unfair to penalise someone based on something that hasn't even happened. Also in Australia the retirement age is the same for men and women (and it's going up if you're curious) so as Banshee said some things very greatly from country to country.

 

Also for the hell of it, women and men compete equally in equestrian events, female jockeys now compete in many races too and there continues to be debate about women competing in the MLB (Baseball, they already compete with men in the AAA and lower levels, it's more culture and discrimination than talent or ability keeping them out) and you can make pretty good money playing mixed doubles in tennis too. Oh and there's one or two female NASCAR drivers (I think that's how you spell it and potentially other drivers as well) so there's that too.

 

Having said all that yes things can be taken to ridiculous lengths including PC language and so on but that doesn't mean the original argument behind something is wrong and sometimes those being blamed for things aren't even the ones using the terms you're talking about anyway. Before it became about being PC the original reason for some of the changes to terms used was to give people more respect because the original words describing them were derogatory and lead to dehumanising people, racist slurs and calling people with mental or learning disabilities names made it easier to not think of the person and just treat them badly or as less human. It's also important to remember that some of the people pushing ridiculous terms or 'feminist' views may be extremists or may be opponents of whatever cause trying to discredit it. 

 

Ultimately for me there's a difference between equality and fairness, I always want fairness (and yes I know life isn't fair but people can be) but equality is situational. I want equal pay for equal work but if I need a higher desk or whatever because I'm taller than everyone else I want that rather than all desks at equal heights. Terminology just comes down to respect, if I know someone with dwarfism prefers the term little person then fine, that's just a little basic manners and respect. And I have no problem with being described as a lesbian and I don't see that label changing soon. I think that's pretty much everything I wanted to say...

 

Oh yeah, on topic I think a DLC that added more to the companions and advisors would be fantastic. 

And Harding... more Harding please.

 

Harding is lovely

 

I hear what you're saying and I agree for a job or task the pay should be the same.

I aint disputing that with my own personal beliefs I am merely stating the general consensus as to why this equality hasn't been met lol.

 

And your first point just challenges my example but doesn't actually address the issue lol.

 

As for your mixed sports just take a look and see that none of them are a direct physical contest or a contact sport.

Because it cannot be equal as there are limitations between the sexes.

Just like you don't have able bodied players playing against those who use a wheelchair.

 

And yeah I said the original intentions are usually good but the problem is once it reaches an "organization" level things tend to get out of hand as either people with this new "power" start wanting to control everything or get extreme, or those not ready for the change fear those with the power and rebel and protest causing situations to erupt.

 

Yeah I believe people tend to get equality and fairness mixed up and just call it equality without realizing the full ramification equality entails.

 

 

 

Maybe you're confused but political correctness isn't some all powerful UN agency that can control what words people use.

 

I'm not confused but I know LGBT doesn't control political correctness lol.

Am I wrong?

 

For example my race has gone from being called "Half casted" to "Mixed Race"

 

I had no say in this and neither did the NAACP.

So if the same was done for the words gay and lesbian what say would the LGBT have?

Unless they get "special treatment"?

[SardaukarElite]

I'm not confused but I know LGBT doesn't control political correctness lol.

Am I wrong?

 

And political correctness doesn't control what people who are attracted to the same gender call themselves, or what other people call them.

[DSiKn355]

And political correctness doesn't control what people who are attracted to the same gender call themselves, or what other people call them.

 

Have you missed the point?

 

you can personally call yourself whatever the hell you like lol.

But IF it is said that the politically correct term for gay's and lesbian's is homosexual then THAT will be the politically correct term whether you use it or not lol.

 

Please understand

[Panda]

2. I did say it depends on the job and you further prove why women don't get paid the same. How can you pay someone who will (the majority) likely take a year out of work. Some employers just let them go if the leave is going to be too long for them and then reinstate them when they are ready to return. generally a man only gets 22 days off for holidays a year. So if someone who can take a year out then says "but I want to get paid the same as you" generally the feeling is "then put in the same time." this isn't being sexist or funny in anyway it's just being "equal."

 

If a woman can have a year off then let a man have a year off.

 

But if that can't happen how can you expect equal treatment in that subject? That would be "special treatment" not equal because both parties are not treated the same.

 

That's why there is paternity leave and genderless parental leave. Because women do get discriminated against in workforce in terms of even getting the job cause they seen as likely to get pregnant and leave take care of children. That's why policymaking has been trying to make system where men would also leave to take care of kids and things would balance out better and women wouldn't be as discriminated against work-wise. Though this needs also change from society's view that still view as woman as someone who takes care of kids while husband works, even if both work husband is usually seen as main worker and wife as main caretaker. But really these things progress very slowly sadly.

 

That's at least here in Finland, social system is probaply pretty different where you are from.

[DSiKn355]

That's why there is paternity leave and genderless parental leave. Because women do get discriminated against in workforce in terms of even getting the job cause they seen as likely to get pregnant and leave take care of children. That's why policymaking has been trying to make system where men would also leave to take care of kids and things would balance out better and women wouldn't be as discriminated against work-wise. Though this needs also change from society's view that still view as woman as someone who takes care of kids while husband works, even if both work husband is usually seen as main worker and wife as main caretaker. But really these things progress very slowly sadly.

 

That's at least here in Finland, social system is probaply pretty different where you are from.

 

No it's the same and I believe it's the same everywhere especially the view from society.

 

I have seen not just gender but race play a part in work related issues for females too.

 

A care home my aunt was managing had to then stop employing young Indian girls as they would often leave at the age of 18 to get married and become housewives so the board instructed my aunt that it is not beneficial to employ these people that are just temporary workers and will cause the company to then later spend more to employ others to replace them.

 

I guess that spending works the same when replacing someone on paternity leave.

 

In England the underhanded trick they try to do is cut paternity leave short by giving you a less than minimum wage while on leave which then forces you to cut the leave short (usually the man) and get back into work otherwise you cannot support yourselves.

[Panda]

No it's the same and I believe it's the same everywhere especially the view from society.

 

I have seen not just gender but race play a part in work related issues for females too.

 

A care home my aunt was managing had to then stop employing young Indian girls as they would often leave at the age of 18 to get married and become housewives so the board instructed my aunt that it is not beneficial to employ these people that are just temporary workers and will cause the company to then later spend more to employ others to replace them.

 

I guess that spending works the same when replacing someone on paternity leave.

 

In England the underhanded trick they try to do is cut paternity leave short by giving you a less than minimum wage while on leave which then forces you to cut the leave short (usually the man) and get back into work otherwise you cannot support yourselves.

 

The thing just is that people can't stop having children and they can't stop working either. Most modern societys already suffer from too low birth-rates. Free day-care system does offer some help to situation though and policies that encourage men to take paternity leaves too. Costs that come to employer should just seen as mandatory since society can't survive without people giving birth to kids. System where women are discriminated for pay and selection of job is just too unfair to be maintained in my opinion.

[DSiKn355]

The thing just is that people can't stop having children and they can't stop working either. Most modern societys already suffer from too low birth-rates. Free day-care system does offer some help to situation though and policies that encourage men to take paternity leaves too. Costs that come to employer should just seen as mandatory since society can't survive without people giving birth to kids. System where women are discriminated for pay and selection of job is just too unfair to be maintained in my opinion.

 

Basically it's called "Greed" which is the cause of the issue but also its a monetary system so greed is bound to take place unfortunately.

 

I don't know about other countries but here in England generally women and men are paid the same but it's when its a specialized job or higher position that the difference can be felt.

 

Employers like profits more than costs so many will rather let you go and re-employ you once you are able to work again rather than pay you maternity leave.

 

Yep give birth to kids should be seen as a norm and accepted on every level and give great understanding but unfortunately the world is full of stupidity.

 

There are even people that complain about breastfeeding in public which I find disgraceful and retarded as breast milk is the best thing to give your child and completely natural (I have two both breast fed).

 

Bottle feeding has only been around for about 160 years or so.

To some of you kids that will seem long lol

 

On topic:

 

Harding should get a quest of her own in a DLC with the option to romance her properly

[SardaukarElite]

Have you missed the point?

 

you can personally call yourself whatever the hell you like lol.

But IF it is said that the politically correct term for gay's and lesbian's is homosexual then THAT will be the politically correct term whether you use it or not lol.

 

Please understand

 

Aww you're trying to be condescending, how cute.

 

Political correctness is not a political movement. It doesn't have a policy platform, a website, a postal address, uniforms or even members. It cannot think, it cannot act, it cannot create change.

 

If people who are attracted to the same gender call themselves gay, lesbian, homosexual, bisexual, whatever, then it creates a force in society pushing for those names to become and stay the accepted terms. For those names to change other people have to create an opposing and greater force for different terms. *If* that happens it is because people, individuals did something, not some abstract entity.

[DSiKn355]

Aww you're trying to be condescending, how cute.

 

Political correctness is not a political movement. It doesn't have a policy platform, a website, a postal address, uniforms or even members. It cannot think, it cannot act, it cannot create change.

 

If people who are attracted to the same gender call themselves gay, lesbian, homosexual, bisexual, whatever, then it creates a force in society pushing for those names to become and stay the accepted terms. For those names to change other people have to create an opposing and greater force for different terms. *If* that happens it is because people, individuals did something, not some abstract entity.

 

And again you are arguing the wrong point lol.

 

LGBT is an organization just like the NAACP is.

 

Every gay,lesbian,bi or transgender that steps on the road isnt a member of LGBT or a representative of it just like every person of colour isnt a representative of the NAACP.

 

Political correctness is a governmental scheme much like "Affirmative Action"

 

Did the general public think it was wrong to say "black coffee", "Blackboard" or "Baa Baa Black sheep"?

 

No.

 

The influence and decision came from a higher source which the public had no say in.

 

It's like the word "Queer" is seen as politically incorrect yet many gay people still use the word.

 

"The use of this word to mean "homosexual" was formerly, and is often still, considered pejorative. However, in the way that all language is dynamic and pliable, the word is also sometimes now used as a neutral or even positive descriptive term, including by some (primarily younger) homosexuals. In its pejorative use, it is applied almost solely to males. In its modern neutral use, it can be applied to all genders.

Some GLBT youth now use the term as an "all-inclusive" term for the GLBTIQ (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgendered, Intersex, Queer) etc. community.

'Queer' is also used as a positive term for people who reject mainstream-gay values and culture. People who identify with this version of queer distance themselves from the commercialization and (relatively) conformist values of the gay mainstream and embrace fluid and unconstrained definitions of sexuality and gender. There is some common ground between this definition of queer and the punk and DIY scenes." ~Wiki

 

Not being condescending, just trying to get you to understand lol

[Ilwerin]

Please, enough of this! Romances! This is the last place where I want to read about "political correctness" and other crap.

I am really sick of this. 

 

Btw, DSiKn355, did you ever work? You don't sound like that... and what about your mother when you were a baby? I am now on parental leave for almost 4 years (+2 years ahead of me), I have less than 250 € a month (funny right?)... children can here go to kindergarten at the age of 3 (if there is place for them, otherwise at 4 - we are low on kindergartens - thanks, capitalism), common family cannot pay a nanny or some private owned day nursery (which even aren't many, state owned were closed - thanks again, capitalism). Right, I ended my carrier in order to have family, I studied all my schools for nothing (as it could seem)... But I would NEVER prefer going back to work to make money instead. I love my children, I want to be with them now - when they need me the most, they are babies for such a sort time! It is in first years of our lives when we are making relationships with our parents - miss it and you never find way to each other (like I was never close to my father, because he was all my childhood at work day and night). And as a woman I really don't want to be pushed by my employer to choose between family and well payed job. Don't say me anything about preferences in employing men and women... 

[SardaukarElite]

Not being condescending, just trying to get you to understand lol

 

Irony.

[DSiKn355]

Please, enough of this! Romances! This is the last place where I want to read about "political correctness" and other crap.

I am really sick of this. 

 

Btw, DSiKn355, did you ever work? You don't sound like that... and what about your mother when you were a baby? I am now on parental leave for almost 4 years (+2 years ahead of me), I have less than 250 € a month (funny right?)... children can here go to kindergarten at the age of 3 (if there is place for them, otherwise at 4 - we are low on kindergartens - thanks, capitalism), common family cannot pay a nanny or some private owned day nursery (which even aren't many, state owned were closed - thanks again, capitalism). Right, I ended my carrier in order to have family, I studied all my schools for nothing (as it could seem)... But I would NEVER prefer going back to work to make money instead. I love my children, I want to be with them now - when they need me the most, they are babies for such a sort time! It is in first years of our lives when we are making relationships with our parents - miss it and you never find way to each other (like I was never close to my father, because he was all my childhood at work day and night). And as a woman I really don't want to be pushed by my employer to choose between family and well payed job. Don't say me anything about preferences in employing men and women... 

 

Yes I work and here in England things just work differently to wherever you are in Europe.

 

Over here if you was on parental leave for 4 years you would be on state benefits as no company would pay you for that long.

 

The Security company I was working for only gave me a month off to be there for my family and so I ended up out of work as like you I put family first.

 

Irony.

 

At least you have learned something new about the word queer right?   lol

 

But on topic...

 

Making Hardin fully romance capable would be nice lol

[Ilwerin]

bla bla bla...

My employer payed me the first 6 months - maternity leave. Since then, I am on "parental leave" (as I said) - state benefits. But my employer has to employ me on the same position if I return within 4 years, after that he can employ me elsewhere and then possibly terminate employment. We have that guarranteed, you do not? But enough of that.

 

 

Harding + some dwarf male with sexy chest hair (oh, Varric...).