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That is nothing other than a clear hint that Bioware isn't done with Inquisition or Inquisitors yet - and that were going to see new adventures, with new enemies and probably new problems to solve. It says very little about overall approval of Inquisitor in Thedas, because that's not the point of this part of epilogue.

I'm aware of the purpose of that part of the epilogue. I quoted that text because it's hints that not everybody approves of the inquisitor which is no surprise of course. It's also hinted that whatever inquisitor did or how popular or approved of she/he was, she/he has become a target to some people. What this means could be anything. It definitely means that we are going to face new enemies. But does that also mean that somebody is trying to assassinate inquisitor? Is somebody going to dethrone inquisitor? I guess we'll have to wait and see. Anyway my point is that because we don't know what will happen in the following DLCs it's not known how popular or approved of inquisitor is in the last DLC. It's not known can we continue being inquisitor and that is what I have been trying to say.

 

 

 

Yes, but I never said there that he doesn't love her or wouldn't want to be with her. And we both seem to agree that for him, his mission comes first.

 

As for "he's definitely didn't leave her because he doesn't want to see her wither and die" - we don't know that yet. It could be at least part of reason why. For all we know he is immortal - she is not. And unless this changes for either of them, such is the inevitable end.

I haven't said that you had said that Solas didn't love Lavellan. Or did I? Anyway that wasn't my intention. I was just commenting that he loves her very much.

I believe it's quite clear that Solas didn't leave Lavellan because he doesn't want to see her wither and die because he almost abandoned his mission because of her. That's why I think it's quite clear  that the only reason why he left Lavellan is his mission.

 

 

Oh, I agree that it will change the world forever and will likely have terrible consequences, but I don't think the solution is as easy as getting the orb/Mythal's power - it's all part of some sort of bigger plan. Whatever task he has, it likely isn't as easy than just restoring ancient elves/elven gods, because that itself likely changes very little.

 

It also can't be just straightforward tearing of the Veil again - if it was it, why would he help Inquisition, instead of helping Corypheus? Obviously, even if the world without Veil is a distant dream of his, it's not going to be achieved easily.

Have I said that whatever Solas would do would be easy? Because I don't think I have said that. I was just saying that his plans doesn't necessarily mean that there is need for changing people's attitudes because his plans could entail something that will change the whole world whether that would be ripping the veil off or bringing the old gods back or something else.

I think bringing back old gods would definitely change a lot. They are very powerful beings and would definitely  change the balance of power in Thedas. Flemeth was very powerful when we saw her and yet she had only a fraction of her power left. So when those gods will come back being probably the most powerful beings on Thedas it will change everything. After the mage templar war and after the breach Ferelden and Orlais are vulnerable and won't probably have forces to defeat the old gods if they would want to start a new war. Combined with ancient elves these gods and elves would definitely be a powerful force if they can agree to work together. The other possibility is that the elven gods could start a war against each other and if they would ally with different nations then it could lead to a new war between these nations.

I think it depends how many ancient elves there are to change the world. If Solas is able to gather all those ancient elves in one place they could form a powerful force. Maybe some nations would want to ally with them while others might want to start a war againts them.

Solas would have never wanted to help Corypheus because Corypheus  wants to become a god and restore Tevinter imperium. That is something that Solas would never want. Besides Corypheus isn't going to rip the veil open and Solas wouldn't achieve anything by helping him because I don't think that Corypheus would just give his the orb back.

 

 

Well if Inquisitor is concentrated on Corypheus I don't think she'd have time for romances :P As for being blinded with love... fair, considering that it's probably what happened to Solas xD

 

Though honestly, blinded or not, it's hard to argue about how badly he's handled it all. It might as well be "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, but goddamn - if there's going to be some reconciliation, it won't be a smooth one.

Inquisitor could be concentrated on Corypheus and his actions but she could still have time for love but because she is so concentrated on Corypheus and other problems she might not see the signs that Solas is something more than just an apostate mage.

I agree that Solas handled the romance very badly. Although I don't think there could have been a good outcome for that in the main story because he has to leave. Anyway my Lavellans would welcome Solas with open arms. :wub:

 

 

Um, no he doesn't and no he's not. Abelas wasn't angry when he said that, plus he asks if there are elvhen such as him, when Solas reveals that his people yet linger. There was nothing in that dialogue that suggests Abelas knows anything about Solas being anything other than elvhen.

I think the exact words are "Elvhen such as you?" in which Solas responds to "Elvhen such as I". There is a little bit of anger in Abelas' voice when he asks that question and there is also a little bit of sadness and guilt in Solas' voice when he responds. Solas also moves his gaze on the ground when he says that as if he would be ashamed. Because of those things I suspect that Abelas knows who Solas is.

 

 

That is assuming that we will be give such an option. For all we know, we may not meet ancient elves at all, as wherever Solas goes, it might be away from everyone.

 

I thought we ware discussing about whether ancient elves would approve Lavellan if she would decide to join them and I was pointing out that I think it's possible. Of course it's possible that this would never happen or the option is given to all inquisitors. But I think were weren't discussing about that or were we?

 

 

I'm not talking about OFFICIAL ambassador position, but one that is more symbolic - a "bridge", if you'd like. And whether Lavellans want it or not, they - and their every action - represent their people. It's like that with everyone - whatever somebody is and what they do (especially when we're talking about position like that of Inquisitor) cast light or shadow on people they originate from (should I even mention what an uproar picking Vivienne - the first mage to be a divine - can cause?). That's not to say that they have to just represent elves. My elf is a mage and represents mages as well.

I thought you were talking about official ambassador because I think that is what the word means. Of course every inquisitor represents their race/class etc and I agree that inquisitor could help elves because she/he is inquisitor and if inquisitor is mart then she is capable of creating better relationships between elves and humans for example. But it wouldn't be wise to intefere too much because that would most likely have negative consequences. If inquisitor would want to help elves then I think it would be for the best to not do it publicly because when inquisitor would interfere on that matter then the nobles wouldn't like it. But if inquisitor doesn't help elves publicly then the elves would probably think that the inquisitor would have abandoned them. So I think that it's not a good idea to help elves publicly even though elves would want that. I think the best way to help elves is do that secrectly but then inquisitor wouldn't be seen as a bridge between elves and humans.



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Guys, I'm not trying to be impolite but I think this is starting to veer a little off-topic and getting into an Dalish PC/Solas debate.  A Solas DLC in terms of romance content isn't very off-topic, but this is a thread for the a variety romances for the Inquisitor, particularly for the male PCs.  Would you guys mind taking that discussion to PM?   :)


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Mm, I think if Cullen and Cassandra were made bisexual options, people wouldn't complain so much about the romance options. Personally, I would had loved to romance Cullen as a male character.  :ph34r:


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Mm, I think if Cullen and Cassandra were made bisexual options, people wouldn't complain so much about the romance options. Personally, I would had loved to romance Cullen as a male character.  :ph34r:

I think you'd enjoy the gay KISA thread quite a bit.  It's a fun conversation, and you can just jump right in.  Someone along the lines of Cullen has been one of the inspirations of the thread.   ;)



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Mm, I think if Cullen and Cassandra were made bisexual options, people wouldn't complain so much about the romance options. Personally, I would had loved to romance Cullen as a male character.   :ph34r:

And I am so happy, they aren't... like it is still hard for me to accept Fenris and Merill as bi option. I just take it it was the only possible solution to make everyone happy and quiet - thus I really appreciate they haven't done the same in DA:I, our sexual preferences are part of who we are after all  ;) I can't imagine Isabela less promiscuous :D



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And I am so happy, they aren't... like it is still hard for me to accept Fenris and Merill as bi option. I just take it it was the only possible solution to make everyone happy and quiet - thus I really appreciate they haven't done the same in DA:I, our sexual preferences are part of who we are after all   ;) I can't imagine Isabela less promiscuous :D

I can accept both Fenris and Merrill as bisexual because I've known bisexuals that are pretty deep in the closet, or otherwise quiet about their sexuality.  Particularly among bi men.  Someone doesn't have to be open about their sexuality in order to bisexual.   :)  I agree that the current approach is much better for future DA games, and the stories that can come out of this are going to be great.  It'll also be nice to see stereotypes becoming more and more diminished.

 

By the way, and I hope you forgive the nitpick, but Isabela would be as open about loving sex no matter if she was bisexual or not.  It's just apart of her, but just because someone is bisexual doesn't mean they'd be more like 'Bela or Bull as far as enjoying a lot of sex.  Plenty are like Leliana, and some are even more quiet about it like Fenris or Merrill would be.  Plenty are like me, that are in happy monogamous relationships with members of the opposite sex and are still bisexual.   ;)


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I can accept both Fenris and Merrill as bisexual because I've known bisexuals that are pretty deep in the closet, or otherwise quiet about their sexuality.  Particularly among bi men.  Someone doesn't have to be open about their sexuality in order to bisexual.   :)  I agree that the current approach is much better for future DA games, and the stories that can come out of this are going to be great.  It'll also be nice to see stereotypes becoming diminished.

 

By the way, and I hope you forgive the nitpick, but Isabela would be as open about loving sex no matter if she was bisexual or not.  It's just apart of her, but just because someone is bisexual doesn't mean they'd be more like 'Bela or Bull.  Plenty are like Leliana, and some are even more quiet about it like Fenris or Merrill would be.  Plenty are like me, that are in happy monogamous relationships with members of the opposite sex and are still bisexual.   I don't usually announce it like 'Bela does, at least not to those that don't know me well.    ;)

I agree, I wasn't saying anything like bisexual are more promiscuous than others. Don't get me wrong ;) Besides I am sure bisexuality is far more common in population than it is "claimed to be", it seems logical. Hmm... Now I see your point more clear... Btw, my close friend is bisexual and is married with a man who lived all his life only with other men - and they have a baby and are happy together :)



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I agree, I wasn't saying anything like bisexual are more promiscuous than others. Don't get me wrong ;) Besides I am sure bisexuality is far more common in population than it is "claimed to be", it seems logical. Hmm... Now I see your point more clear... Btw, my close friend is bisexual and is married with a man who lived all his life only with other men - and they have a baby and are happy together :)

Ah, okay.  Well then, thanks for being cool about me pointing that out.   :D

 

Congrats to your friend!  That's awesome.  No kids for me and my husband due to some lousy genetics, but I am a very proud aunt.   :)

 

This might sound a little unpopular...okay, really unpopular with some folks.  Just hear me out.  I've noticed in every DA game, there has always been that one party member that likes sex a lot.  Zevran, 'Bela, Bull.  Is it a bad thing that I would like maybe the next more randy character to be a straight woman, that was taken as seriously as any straight male character that might be really into sex?  I'm a feminist and I think that straight women that like sex should be there right along side with everyone else.  Not get shamed or treated badly because they like sex as much as a straight man would and they can certainly leave STD jokes out of it (thanks DA2.)  Equality for women's roles in media.  I love it.   ;)

 

I mean, one of the only things I still like about Sex and the City was the character Samantha.  She was straight, loved sex, and wasn't painted in a bad light by the other characters or by the writers because of it.  I think that the DA writers should ease away from making the most openly bisexual characters the most sexually active ones.  They did a good job with Josie, but still the token sexually active person is the other bisexual character.  I'd like them change this up.   A straight guy being into sex is commonly accepted, but a straight woman doesn't get the same treatment.  It can be done without it being sexist or way too over the top, at least by BioWare.

 

Just tossing out some ideas.  Please don't bring the torches and pitchforks.  :ph34r: 


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I Know I'm in the minority, but I was very glad Cassandra was straight. Is so hard find straight female in games that aren't the usual "femme fatal with Perfect makeup and hair even if they slaughter stuff".
Usually if a female character is strong and indipendent, with short hair and a Warrior, with nothing to be less than their male companion in Arms, is rare she have feminine romantic desires or is even attracted to man.
Usually the character is depicted as butch and is usually lesbian, maybe BI.
Or she is the irrealistic lady who can do anything on high heels without even a little of ruined make up.

I was very glad to see in Cass a tomboy female who haven't forgot she is a woman and likes man.

I think is one of the motives I love so much both Cassandra and Aveline.

Of course I would have had no problem if she was BI. And I didn't see the movie, so for me she was a blank slate, no expectation about her sexuality like with Cullen, that I can't see as anything but straight.
But it was a pleasant surprise personally.


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You're not that far into the minority.  I talked to women on the forums, one of which was a former Marine and the other an auto-mechanic, that were very happy that a straight woman like Cass represented them.  The folks that are disappointed don't begrudge them that at all, as far as I can tell.  :) They aren't that upset these days that Cassandra is straight, but they are getting mighty fed up with a few loud self-proclaiming straight men talking about how "ugly" Cass is.  

 

For the folks that were disappointed, it's also because that the media here over the last 10+ years has moved so far away from butch/tomboy = lesbian that now companies are very reluctant to try it in their stories.  According to some of the lesbians I talked to, it's almost gotten to the point where the women that are like that are barely seen in media at all.  From what I read (and using the same words they did,) Cassandra would have been a good "soft butch," for many of the same reasons why straight women are happy to see her.  Someone that takes on a role more traditionally assigned to a man, that doesn't futz with makeup or the like, but has a gentle heart and loves things like poetry, ect.

 

I can't see any lesbian fans of Cass being upset that straight women are being represented with Cassandra.  I mainly see bi/lesbian Cass fans a little hurt and very annoyed by the complaining about her looks that, I stress again, a few straight men have been doing.  Some of those posters are so damned loud, unfortunately.


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Cass was the only one I wanted to romance, and so I did both times lol.

 

As for high sex drive characters and std's....

 

Isabella was just too much. She would literally want to **** anything that walked.

I don't know why anyone would find that attractive personally.

 

You can be a femme fatal without needing a high sex drive.

 

Std's? Yeah I think Isabella has had all the ones floating around in Thedas lol.

 

A straight woman with a high sex drive is fine so long it is done right and not "hey how are you? wanna have sex?" every time she meets a male.

I mean doesn't she have standards at all? She wants to sleep with every guy regardless?

 

And as for the sexuality of characters I think having difference is better otherwise there will be the complaints that DA has just turned gay because all the characters are bi so there are no straight characters anymore blah blah blah and all the rest of it.

 

It will just bring a unnecessary headache that no-one needs lol.



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You're not that far into the minority.  I talked to women on the forums, one of which was a former Marine and the other an auto-mechanic, that were very happy that a straight woman like Cass represented them.  The folks that are disappointed don't begrudge them that at all, as far as I can tell.  :) They aren't that upset these days that Cassandra is straight, but they are getting mighty fed up with a few loud self-proclaiming straight men talking about how "ugly" Cass is.  

 

For the folks that were disappointed, it's also because that the media here over the last 10+ years has moved so far away from butch/tomboy = lesbian that now companies are very reluctant to try it in their stories.  According to some of the lesbians I talked to, it's almost gotten to the point where the women that are like that are barely seen in media at all.  From what I read (and using the same words they did,) Cassandra would have been a good "soft butch," for many of the same reasons why straight women are happy to see her.  Someone that takes on a role more traditionally assigned to a man, that doesn't futz with makeup or the like, but has a gentle heart and loves things like poetry, ect.

 

I can't see any lesbian fans of Cass being upset that straight women are being represented with Cassandra.  I mainly see bi/lesbian Cass fans a little hurt and very annoyed by the complaining about her looks that, I stress again, a few straight men have been doing.  Some of those posters are so damned loud, unfortunately.

 

Yeah, I can't stand those childish jerks. Cass is good looking, I don't understand what kind of woman they have around them. She isn't the usual beauty where the character is suffocated by the need to be appreciate by (mostly) man eyes, but she is still a very good looking woman.

The imbalance in one hand to not present a certain thrope (lesbian butch) and in the other to make every female character appealing to the mayority of man, have make so mostly of the female characters around are all the same. Perfectly dressed, perfect make up, hight hells, long always perfect hair (never tied up) with very little variations on the character.

 

Basically, a thope have been taken away just to have another thrope  :P

 

By the way, I think the only others game where I have seen variations on the usual thropes about sexuality and romances outside BioWare, are the Winter Wolves games. but those are mostly hybrid visual novel/RPG (but I found them quite cute and the gameplay is simple but fun. I found those are my to-go games when I want something more relaxing and romantic.) so a little of a niche.



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This might sound a little unpopular...okay, really unpopular with some folks.  Just hear me out.  I've noticed in every DA game, there has always been that one party member that likes sex a lot.  Zevran, 'Bela, Bull. 

It seems BioWare is trying to "balance" them a little by adding virgin options - and they are all men - Alistair, Fenris, Cullen ;) 

 

I think is one of the motives I love so much both Cassandra and Aveline.

They are both great characters. I love them. Most complaining men would only like Cass from DA2 in DA:I, I can see their point... but I am also glad BW change her a little, she is more real, more... believable.



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For the children:

 

Spoiler

 

Like her more now! lol :D

 

In Orlais at the ball she could have worn:

 

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They are both great characters. I love them. Most complaining men would only like Cass from DA2 in DA:I, I can see their point... but I am also glad BW change her a little, she is more real, more... believable.


Actually, I found all the female characters in DA2 very similar looking and very plain. Barbie Like plain. The facial variations wereminimal :/
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They are both great characters. I love them. Most complaining men would only like Cass from DA2 in DA:I, I can see their point... but I am also glad BW change her a little, she is more real, more... believable.

 

 

Following her imagery in DA2 i would have expected her to look like this which is still "real":

 

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In Orlais at the ball she could have worn:

 

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Oh dear gods, don't get me started.  There was a lot of unhappy women like me that were angry that we couldn't wear a gown and that all of the party was going to be in the Nutcracker Prince uniform.  Not to mention that's one of my favorite pieces of Cass fan artwork out there.  <sigh>  What could have been.    -_-

 

I'll save my thoughts about that for the appropriate thread.

 

I also agree with your pictures from your other post.  In fact, a lot of people noticed that comparison early on.   :D


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I Know I'm in the minority, but I was very glad Cassandra was straight. Is so hard find straight female in games that aren't the usual "femme fatal with Perfect makeup and hair even if they slaughter stuff".
Usually if a female character is strong and indipendent, with short hair and a Warrior, with nothing to be less than their male companion in Arms, is rare she have feminine romantic desires or is even attracted to man.
Usually the character is depicted as butch and is usually lesbian, maybe BI.
Or she is the irrealistic lady who can do anything on high heels without even a little of ruined make up.

I was very glad to see in Cass a tomboy female who haven't forgot she is a woman and likes man.

I think is one of the motives I love so much both Cassandra and Aveline.

Of course I would have had no problem if she was BI. And I didn't see the movie, so for me she was a blank slate, no expectation about her sexuality like with Cullen, that I can't see as anything but straight.
But it was a pleasant surprise personally.

 

I kinda hoped that she would be bisexual so I could do f/f romance with her.. but in other hand I really liked  that character like her, that I some extent identify to, is heterosexual like me. So I'm really glad to see Bioware doing character like her. Someone who you can look up to and think wow this female character is so cool, just like I want to be :P (Though I don't like every part of her, but she's still feels more close as character to me than any other female character by BW).


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And I am so happy, they aren't... like it is still hard for me to accept Fenris and Merill as bi option. I just take it it was the only possible solution to make everyone happy and quiet - thus I really appreciate they haven't done the same in DA:I, our sexual preferences are part of who we are after all   ;) I can't imagine Isabela less promiscuous :D

I prefer DA2's system over set sexualities. 



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I prefer DA2's system over set sexualities. 

 

Nah DA2 felt awful from a straight guy perspective.

 

I felt forced to romance Merrill and even after doing so I felt I would have been better off not romancing anyone at all.

 

Romance wise the game had no 100% straight option.

 

It was all bi or nothing.

 

I really didn't like it as it felt tacky, rushed and lacking overall.

 

It's the only game where I thought its best to not romance anyone which really says it all.

 

DA:O was not like this so I didn't expect it and was quite shocked at how it was forced on you tbh



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Nah DA2 felt awful from a straight guy perspective.

 

I felt forced to romance Merrill and even after doing so I felt I would have been better off not romancing anyone at all.

 

Romance wise the game had no 100% straight option.

 

It was all bi or nothing.

 

I really didn't like it as it felt tacky, rushed and lacking overall.

 

It's the only game where I thought its best to not romance anyone which really says it all.

 

:huh:  :huh:

This doesn't make sense, how was you forced to romance Merrill because of the DA2 route?

 

And bi females still count as straight options



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Nah DA2 felt awful from a straight guy perspective.

 

I felt forced to romance Merrill and even after doing so I felt I would have been better off not romancing anyone at all.

 

Romance wise the game had no 100% straight option.

 

It was all bi or nothing.

 

I really didn't like it as it felt tacky, rushed and lacking overall.

 

It's the only game where I thought its best to not romance anyone which really says it all.

From your views on Isabela, you'd have to romance Merrill or nobody anyway. 

They are still straight options. Is Josephine not an option since she is bi? Did straight men only have Morrigan as an option because Leliana is bi? 

 

And how can you say nah to someone's preferences? I never said it was better, but that I prefer it over how other Bioware games did it. 



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:huh:  :huh:

This doesn't make sense, how was you forced to romance Merrill because of the DA2 route?

 

And bi females still count as straight options

 

Isabella comes across as a bi ****** who will sleep with anything that moves.

So as a straight guy the only option is Merrill.

 

Well it comes across bi when they are talking about doing girls as well so like I said...

 

"Romance wise the game had no 100% straight option"

 

From your views on Isabela, you'd have to romance Merrill or nobody anyway. 

They are still straight options. Is Josephine not an option since she is bi? Did straight men only have Morrigan as an option because Leliana is bi? 

 

And how can you say nah to someone's preferences? I never said it was better, but that I prefer it over how other Bioware games did it. 

 

I was expressing my preference lol.

 

And read above to understand ;)



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Isabella comes across as a bi ****** who will sleep with anything that moves.

So as a straight guy the only option is Merrill.

 

Well it comes across bi when they are talking about doing girls as well so like I said...

 

"Romance wise the game had no 100% straight option"

 

And it wasn't all Bi, you'd still probably be "forced" to romance Merrill, or Isabela if Merrill was a lesbian romance :P



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The fact remains, I see no positives with the set sexuality system over the ambiguous sexuality system.