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[Grieving Natashina]

 

And as for "real life sexuality" - I am not saying you are straight because you are married to a man. I am not saying you "erased" who you are by the wedding day. That's nonsense. You know who you are and that's all that matters, no? Or you have a feeling you have to somewhat "justify" yourself? I know you had to overcome many difficulties in your life, that you have met a lot of thickheaded people, but maybe you should stop kicking around you... no one here is "judging" or mocking you or your sexual preferences   We are just talking, right? 

 

If you thought I took any offense by your words, then I apologize if I came across that way.  I'm just tired of having to go over this.  Why this "playersexuality" line of thinking is harmful and has a greater impact.

 

You're welcome.  If you're curious, they talked about it at the GaymerX panel from 2014.  It's up on youtube.  It's a really good panel, with Karen and Patrick Weekes, as well as David Gaider.

 

I'm not trying to justify anything to you, especially my sexuality.   At my age, I don't give a crap.   Nor am I asking for sympathy or pity.  I'm asking that you not interpret my words as a personal attack.  I don't know you from anyone, so it was directly purely at your stance.  I'm addressing your words and while I'm dissecting them, it isn't a reflection of my feelings about you, personally.  I'm not trying to state that you are doing the same.  I know you're not out to be offended, but stating your case.  That's what I'm doing as well.

 

The only thing I'm really I'm asking you to put yourselves in the shoes of another for a moment, and try to see where myself (and some others) are coming from.

 

By insisting on "playersexuality," it does have an impact on me and others that aren't straight.  Why?  Because video games aren't created in a cultural vacuum.  Video games have been around for over 30 years as a mainstream source of entertainment.  Nothing is around on such a widespread level without having a cultural impact.  TV, books, films, and video games all can subtly influence how we think.  This can bleed into our <Western> society with real world consequences.

 

This thread in particular is largely full of good people.  However, I've had to defend my sexuality before, on this site and others.  So if you don't think that bisexuals aren't made fun of, or attacked on the BioWare forums, please think again.  For now, people have had other complaints about the games, so they aren't dwelling on that.  It was an entirely different story last fall though.   

 

This kind of thinking (not you, as you've stated your views but in general,) that it's so hard to understand that bisexuals are like anyone else, sucks.  I got lucky compared to some of the people I know, so I don't feel sorry for myself.  It made me into who I am today.  If anything, it taught me to never back down from what I believe. 

 

I will never understand why someone is uncomfortable with dating someone that's bisexual.  I can't, and I'm glad I can't.  I can accept it because of human nature being what it is, but don't ever ask me to support it.  I won't ask someone to agree with me.  However, I will never agree with that line of thinking.  

[DSiKn355]

Yes just talking expressing our desires for how we would like the love interests to be according to our preference for the characters

 

But people do make misunderstanding and take things personal.

 

I think we should focus on our talks as talking about a game and not bring it into real life as that is where people will take offense

[carlo angelo]

 

Well you absolutely didn't understand what I was trying to say... again. But ok. I am used to it, it is hard to express exactly what I want in language which lacks so many expressions I am used to use Let's move on

 

I haven't read about them from writers - thanks for clarification. It was very unlucky decision in DA2, at least we agree on that.

I don't mind what are their preferences, I am fine with romancing bisexual - but I understand those who aren't - and it is their right no matter what others think. And you have to accept, that there are players who just would like more straight options like Cass or Cullen. That is all...

 

 

I'll see if I can try and explain this as gently as I can.

 

In terms of romance- subplots, luckily Bioware had enough resources for eight options as opposed to only four the last few games. I'm not sure what you meant by more straight options, but if you did mean that there should be more characters and romances restricted to only opposite sex relationships, we would have some issues.

 

Considering that resources are limited and there can only be so many characters that could fit into the story without it becoming a roster for a fighting game like Tekken (and Inquisition seemed to be pushing it), they'd probably be stretching their resources very thin (that is, if in the case they're also including same-sex relationships). Otherwise, they'd be taking a step backwards and people who want same-sex romance subplots in their game are left with fewer options (or none, heaven forbid).

 

If you meant that you want more options for straight relationships and not straight characters, then please ignore the above paragraph. That being said, I think there are only so many romanceable characters that could be put in game and still have in-depth content each whilst connecting to the main story of the game.

[DSiKn355]

The only reason they ran out of resources during inquisition according to the devs is because of the mistakes made with the new system they didn't fully know

 

That's why originally a lot more was planned with the story and Solas but then they ran out of resources.

 

Having a straight/bi/gay characters set separately wouldn't really strain resources any differently as opposed to every character being bi as you would still need the straight and gay dialogue put in for all the characters. Whereas if the characters are separate then the dialogue is broken up and not every characters has to say romance dialogue for both genders that way saving your word/sentence limit to then be used on other things.

[Ilwerin]

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I should keep in mind that here are people from different parts of world, from different communities, with different beliefs and prejudices... some more liberal, some less... and I get your point...

 

 

In terms of romance- subplots, luckily Bioware had enough resources for eight options as opposed to only four the last few games. I'm not sure what you meant by more straight options, but if you did mean that there should be more characters and romances restricted to only opposite sex relationships, we would have some issues.

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Me personally, I am fine both with the number and variability of romances in DA:I. As well as race restricted options. I was glad we have here only homosexual options - that is great improvement and I hope this trend will continue in DA4. Btw, Dorian is my favourite character from all DA games, he is... flawless

[Grieving Natashina]

I should keep in mind that here are people from different parts of world, from different communities, with different beliefs and prejudices... some more liberal, some less... and I get your point...

 

 

Me personally, I am fine both with the number and variability of romances in DA:I. As well as race restricted options. I was glad we have here only homosexual options - that is great improvement and I hope this trend will continue in DA4. Btw, Dorian is my favourite character from all DA games, he is... flawless

Hey, thanks for the discussion and I'm sorry again for any misunderstanding.  I'm good if you are.  

 

Dorian isn't my #1 favorite DA character of all time (sorry, but Varric and Shale are still tied for #1) but I think he's fantastic.  David Gaider wrote one of my all time favorite BW characters with this guy.  I'll admit to having a twinge of envy that he was homosexual, but I knew that nothing was stopping me from rolling a guy.  

 

Regardless, he's quickly growing on my list of top BioWare friendships of all time.  The more I play the game, the more I adore the character for who he is.   Plus, I was ecstatic for my gay friends on the forums that really hoping that Dorian was at least bisexual.  I'm not saying all gay men that enjoy DA:I cheered, but I'm surprised they didn't hear the "Thank You!" shouts all the way in Canada.

 

As an aside, the friendships in BioWare games have an impact on my purchasing power more than the romances ever could.  Long before I really had any options as a lady player that I could stand, I found the friendships the most compelling.  This is just me personally, but the reason why I like Iron Bull and enjoy his romance is because I got that feeling from him that my PC was friends with him first, as well as being in love with him.  The romance was a wonderful bonus, but I know I wouldn't have enjoyed it as much if I didn't want to be friends with the guy.  The same applies to Garrus from ME as well.  

 

Romances?  They're nice.  Well written friendships?  To use a meme, "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"

[Wyvernet]

I am sorry for assuming that those who weren't satisfied with the LIs being bisexual wanted them to be heterosexual. I had been keeping up with this topic but today I kinds just skipped ahead.

 

I agree with the idea that maybe the developers only recently became aware of demisexuality and pansexuality, and maybe when they announced all the DA2 LIs they meant it as in the LIs were capable of being attracted to both genders and weren't straight or gay on different playthroughs. If you feel like Merril, for example, is demisexual, then I believe it works fine in both canon and what the developers intended (I've never romanced her so I don't know what her romance is like).

 

I also feel like Liara from Mass Effect has only experienced attraction towards Shepard, so maybe that could be interpreted in a certain way.

 

I am very pleased with the amount and variety of romances, though the only bad thing means I have to do so many playthroughs 

[Shechinah]

I also feel like Liara from Mass Effect has only experienced attraction towards Shepard, so maybe that could be interpreted in a certain way.

 

I think, I think, Liara is implied to be attracted to Feron but I'll have to dig up the conversation you'll have with her about it.
 

[Panda]

I think, I think, Liara is implied to be attracted to Feron but I'll have to dig up the conversation you'll have with her about it.
 

 

From the wiki:

 

Shepard can ask Liara if she is romantically involved with Feron, and her answers will differ slightly depending on whether or not Shepard is in a relationship with Liara, but both result in Liara denying it. However, her response is somewhat ambiguous if Shepard is not romancing Liara. She points out that at this time, Feron is too emotionally unstable for a relationship and that it would be irresponsible "to take advantage" of the situation. Asking Feron about his relationship with Liara will result in him saying that Liara is a far better friend than he deserves.

 

Although they don't seem to be in relationship, they might have had thing going on before Feron was captured and they might be intrested about it too. I think the dialogue at least implies that Liara is into guys even if there is nothing going on with them ^^

[Felya87]

From the wiki:

 

Shepard can ask Liara if she is romantically involved with Feron, and her answers will differ slightly depending on whether or not Shepard is in a relationship with Liara, but both result in Liara denying it. However, her response is somewhat ambiguous if Shepard is not romancing Liara. She points out that at this time, Feron is too emotionally unstable for a relationship and that it would be irresponsible "to take advantage" of the situation. Asking Feron about his relationship with Liara will result in him saying that Liara is a far better friend than he deserves.

 

Although they don't seem to be in relationship, they might have had thing going on before Feron was captured and they might be intrested about it too. I think the dialogue at least implies that Liara is into guys even if there is nothing going on with them ^^

 

I always found them very cute together. I would have liked to see a non romanced Liara having a relationship with Feron. (and I would have liked much more having Feron in the team than Liara... but that's just me and my love for all the Dreel)

[Panda]

I always found them very cute together. I would have liked to see a non romanced Liara having a relationship with Feron. (and I would have liked much more having Feron in the team than Liara... but that's just me and my love for all the Dreel)

 

I ship them

 

I will take all the Drells I can take, they are most intresting alien race there is in ME

[RINNZ]

I ship them

I will take all the turians I can take, they are most intresting alien race there is in ME

FTFY

[Grieving Natashina]

Krogan fan here.  What are they, chopped liver?  They can be poets, scientists, mechanics, mercs....um...okay, that's about it.  No reason to overlook them though!  

 

_{I don't think I could romance a Krogan unless Krogan ladies ever became a playable race in ME.  However, Tunchunka is still pretty/pretty dangerous and Eve is still awesome.} 

[DSiKn355]

Still just waiting for a female Qunari love interest....

 

Maybe there could be a mod somewhere which turns Iron Bull into a female Qunari perhaps?

[RINNZ]

Krogan fan here. What are they, chopped liver? They can be poets, scientists, mechanics, mercs....um...okay, that's about it. No reason to overlook them though!

_{I don't think I could romance a Krogan unless Krogan ladies ever became a playable race in ME. However, Tunchunka is still pretty/pretty dangerous and Eve is still awesome.}

You don't know how much i'd give to romance a Krogan in the next game.

Not much, but still. There are some dudes that'd like to romance the rougher aliens, Bioware. Make it happen! >:-[

[Grieving Natashina]

You don't know how much i'd give to romance a Krogan in the next game.

Not much, but still. There are some dudes that'd like to romance the rougher aliens, Bioware. Make it happen! >:-[

Wrex.

[SardaukarElite]

Wrex.

 

Shepard.

[RINNZ]

Shepard.

Grunt.

[Grieving Natashina]

Grunt.

Shepard.

[Panda]

I don't think I'd be up to Krogan romance myself, but I'd really love to see romanceable Drell, Salarian, Turian and Quarian in next ME game. I'd rather have more alien options than human options too. And having female Drell and Turian squamates, maybe male Quarian as well would be cool too. Turian and Drell especially when we haven't really seen females of them (well there was one DLC with female Turian where american female Inquisitor voiced her I think, but haven't played it).

[Felya87]

I don't think I'd be up to Krogan romance myself, but I'd really love to see romanceable Drell, Salarian, Turian and Quarian in next ME game. I'd rather have more alien options than human options too. And having female Drell and Turian squamates, maybe male Quarian as well would be cool too. Turian and Drell especially when we haven't really seen females of them (well there was one DLC with female Turian where american female Inquisitor voiced her I think, but haven't played it).

 

I loved Neera. Good character, and I would love a female Turian as companion. Even more as female. No matter the sexuality.

 

And I'd love a male Quarian from the first time I met in ME2 Kal'Reegar. I still can't forgive the "death by mail" ME3 delivered for him. One of the many big disappointmant I have with ME3. (first the endings, second the forced death of Thane, and overall the insults to the straight female Shepard. Third is Kal death by mail.)

[RINNZ]

Alyx or whatever voiced the female turian? Git outta here.

[Panda]

And to stay on topic, the same goes with DA. I'd like to see more non-human LI's than human one's, especially qunaris and dwarves.

[DSiKn355]

I loved Neera. Good character, and I would love a female Turian as companion. Even more as female. No matter the sexuality.

 

And I'd love a male Quarian from the first time I met in ME2 Kal'Reegar. I still can't forgive the "death by mail" ME3 delivered for him. One of the many big disappointmant I have with ME3. (first the endings, second the forced death of Thane, and overall the insults to the straight female Shepard. Third is Kal death by mail.)

 

Thane was dying from ME2 so it wasn't exactly forced.

 

On Topic

 

I wonder if they plan any new races for DA

Or anymore mixed race people like in DA2.

 

A Qunari dalish elf mix would look interesting

[Felya87]

Thane was dying from ME2 so it wasn't exactly forced.

 

On Topic

 

I wonder if they plan any new races for DA

Or anymore mixed race people like in DA2.

 

A Qunari dalish elf mix would look interesting

 

Actually, Thane's death was forced. In ME2 he said he was going to feel the first synthoms of the illness in a year. Six month after ME2 he should have been dead by months? WTF?!?! And in Shadow Broker DLC there where files where it was explained there was the chance of a transplant to give him more time to live. When he romanced Shepard, he is willing to fight and live. But in ME3 his charcter grow has been destroyed to have him again ok with dyng. Again. WTF?!?!

 

And there was a mission that was scrapped where Shep could find a cure for him in ME3. Still, even without a cure, Thane should not have been already dyng in ME3, but starting only to have the very first syntoms of the illness. At least he should have been present for the entire game without problems. But Bio decided the game wasn't already depressing enought, and that straight female players actually loved being left in the dust by a jerk that can't keep it in his pants and doesn't know what a contraceptive is, and see their loved one die jumping on a blade.

 

But enought, I've decided a lot of time ago the only LI for my Shepard is Garrus.

 

I'd like to see more different culture in the next DA, than actually races. Non andrastian humans, actual city elves, Kal Sharok's dwarfes. There are many chance to expand the actual races without creating new ones.