First idea I thought of is a Dalish warrior hell-bent on revenge against Tevinter slavers for slaughtering her friends and family, and ending up being captured along with you en route to Tevinter. Yes...
Like the unholy lovechild of Velanna and the City Elf Warden. I love it.
That's exactly what I was envisioning when I read it. And my follow up thought was, "And we thought Sera was hated......"
That's exactly what I was envisioning when I read it. And my follow up thought was, "And we thought Sera was hated......"
Because the child would be bi or.... A Transsexual lmao 
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Read the whole article when you can.
Because the child would be bi or.... A Transsexual lmao
Wait....what?
Wait....what?
"And we thought Sera was hated......"
So aren't bi characters usually hated?
Wouldn't a transsexual get even more?
I was making a joke rolling with it but I guess it went over your head lol
Wait....what?
...I don't know, dude.
Moving on...
What I'd like to see has already been discussed in the Gay Knight thread...
But Porkins didn't say 'stay on target'.
That's exactly what I was envisioning when I read it. And my follow up thought was, "And we thought Sera was hated......"
"And we thought Sera was hated......"
So aren't bi characters usually hated?
Wouldn't a transsexual get even more?
I was making a joke rolling with it but I guess it went over your head lol
Yeah, I didn't get that joke but I guess I see where you were going with it. Also, bi characters aren't hated, but keep telling yourself that.
*autocorrect tried to make "character" into "bara" and I'm not sure what that says about me
Only the best things, my friend. Only the best things.
Yeah, I didn't get that joke but I guess I see where you were going with it. Also, bi characters aren't hated, but keep telling yourself that.
So I shouldn't see you blowing up anytime soon over someones opinion on a bi character then?
That's good to know lol
So I shouldn't see you blowing up anytime soon over someones opinion on a bi character then?
That's good to know lol
You shouldn't see me blowing up anytime soon about anything on the boards. It's a game.
But, yeah, if people don't like a bisexual character, that's fine. No one has to like everything. The only thing that is shitty is when people don't like a bisexual character because he (and let's face it, 90% of the time, it's going to be a he......) is bisexual. That's not cool.
Basically, hate Anders because he's an arrogant, hypocritical, douchebag terrorist. Don't hate Anders because he's into dudes.
Or, hate Isabela because she's a self-interested sell-out. Don't hate Isabela because she openly enjoys sex with men and women.
You shouldn't see me blowing up anytime soon about anything on the boards. It's a game.
But, yeah, if people don't like a bisexual character, that's fine. No one has to like everything. The only thing that is shitty is when people don't like a bisexual character because he (and let's face it, 90% of the time, it's going to be a he......) is bisexual. That's not cool.
Basically, hate Anders because he's an arrogant, hypocritical, douchebag terrorist. Don't hate Anders because he's into dudes.
Or, hate Isabela because she's a self-interested sell-out. Don't hate Isabela because she openly enjoys sex with men and women.
Well to be fair Anders gets hate for being gay (coz that is how it is for male players that don't play as women) and it being forced upon you.
For example.
If Anders was just Bi like Fenris then there wouldn't have been an issue.... As there is no issue with Fenris right? 
But the fact that when you first meet Anders he tries to make an advance towards you and then when you kindly turn him down it's an instant -15 and he is in a mood.
Fine people of the LGBTQ community want "understanding" and "acceptance" without "Ignorance" about their sexual preference and whatnot but it works both ways.
You can't make me feel like the bad guy because I am a straight guy and say no to a seemly gay but could be bi guy's advances.
That is ignorant with no understanding and doesn't accept that I just mite not "swing that way."
Understand?
Kaiden was never an issue neither Fenris because it wasn't forced upon you from the first meeting and especially from already knowing the character previously (Awakening DLC) and absolutely no indication was shown for it to be that way. (Maybe bi/gay people saw the signs early on dunno lol)
But the "forced" feeling is where the problem comes from I believe
Well to be fair Anders gets hate for being gay (coz that is how it is for male players that don't play as women) and it being forced upon you.
For example.
If Anders was just Bi like Fenris then there wouldn't have been an issue.... As there is no issue with Fenris right?
But the fact that when you first meet Anders he tries to make an advance towards you and then when you kindly turn him down it's an instant -15 and he is in a mood.
Fine people of the LGBTQ community want "understanding" and "acceptance" without "Ignorance" about their sexual preference and whatnot but it works both ways.
You can't make me feel like the bad guy because I am a straight guy and say no to a seemly gay but could be bi guy's advances.
That is ignorant with no understanding and doesn't accept that I just mite not "swing that way."
Understand?
Kaiden was never an issue neither Fenris because it wasn't forced upon you from the first meeting and especially from already knowing the character previously (Awakening DLC) and absolutely no indication was shown for it to be that way. (Maybe bi/gay people saw the signs early on dunno lol)
But the "forced" feeling is where the problem comes from I believe
Not to make you feel awful, but you have to understand that that's similarly what LGBTQ+ players go through when it comes to romance subplots in roleplaying video games.
It's a heterosexual protagonist we're controlling? Oh. Oh, okay. Cool.
Well to be fair Anders gets hate for being gay (coz that is how it is for male players that don't play as women) and it being forced upon you.
You do know that it is entirely possible to get through the dreaded Anders conversation without entering into a romance with him OR getting rivalry points, right?
Also, it is actually very realistic for a character to get upset if you reject their advances. Anders gets a little snitty but gets over it very quickly and there's no long term damage to the relationship. Just like real life.
And, I can't even count the number of times that my gay characters have been hit on by women without provocation. My poor gay Shepard was dodging lady advances left and right for two games before finally getting to flirt with a dude.
Kaiden was never an issue neither Fenris because it wasn't forced upon you from the first meeting and especially from already knowing the character previously (Awakening DLC) and absolutely no indication was shown for it to be that way. (Maybe bi/gay people saw the signs early on dunno lol)
Confirmed already by the Lead Writer who wrote Anders in DA: A that he was always conceived of as a bisexual man.
Fine people of the LGBTQ community want "understanding" and "acceptance" without "Ignorance" about their sexual preference and whatnot but it works both ways.
You can't make me feel like the bad guy because I am a straight guy and say no to a seemly gay but could be bi guy's advances.
That is ignorant with no understanding and doesn't accept that I just mite not "swing that way."
Any LGBT person who makes someone feel like the bad guy just because they are straight is a douche. Just like anyone who makes an LGBT person feel like the bad guy just because they are LGBT is equally a douche.
That being said, being hit on is just something that almost every human on the planet will encounter. And, unfortunately, many times it comes from someone that you aren't interested in. Most people see it as flattering and move on. Mainly because it's not a big deal.
Like the unholy lovechild of Velanna and the City Elf Warden. I love it.
I want to play as such a character
Not to make you feel awful, but you have to understand that that's similarly what LGBTQ+ players go through when it comes to romance subplots in roleplaying video games.
It's a heterosexual protagonist we're controlling? Oh. Oh, okay. Cool.
No that's completely different context as you are playing as a Heterosexual and DA" the complaint isn't "I am playing as a bi sexual"
That is just different.
And not to be funny but it is usually the norm for the character to be heterosexual and has been for a long time in gaming so tbh it should be expected just like it's expected that you don't see many black people being the hero in mainstream media.
It's to be expected and you roll with it lol.
You do know that it is entirely possible to get through the dreaded Anders conversation without entering into a romance with him OR getting rivalry points, right?
Also, it is actually very realistic for a character to get upset if you reject their advances. Anders gets a little snitty but gets over it very quickly and there's no long term damage to the relationship. Just like real life.
And, I can't even count the number of times that my gay characters have been hit on by women without provocation. My poor gay Shepard was dodging lady advances left and right for two games before finally getting to flirt with a dude.
Confirmed already by the Lead Writer who wrote Anders in DA: A that he was always conceived of as a bisexual man.
Any LGBT person who makes someone feel like the bad guy just because they are straight is a douche. Just like anyone who makes an LGBT person feel like the bad guy just because they are LGBT is equally a douche.
That being said, being hit on is just something that almost every human on the planet will encounter. And, unfortunately, many times it comes from someone that you aren't interested in. Most people see it as flattering and move on. Mainly because it's not a big deal.
Nope never knew I could avoid it as when I played the game it just happened and I was not expecting it lol.
Maybe for some people it is realistic but not for me.
Lmao isn't that realistic? But also its the norm at play there just like how you don't see mixed race couples.
You can see a fricking alien with a white human but not a black guy with a white woman lol.
Please the ignorance on that needs to pass already lol.
Doesn't matter what devs post as the dev isnt with you when you play these games and you wouldn't know what dev's have said unless you go looking for it.
Experience wise from the player's standpoint there is no inclination of it so it comes as a shock in DA2.
Understandable about the douche comment I just hope people on both sides understand to be more understanding to either sides standpoints.
And Like I said i think its the shock value and the added rival points that makes it feel forced like "Did I need to say yes to make sure he doesn't get rival points?"
Some people don't play games with walkthroughs to know what each dialogue option leads to so a majority of players experience this feeling whether it could be avoided or not and that is why the complaints were there for Anders and not Fenris I believe.
And not to be funny but it is usually the norm for the character to be heterosexual and has been for a long time in gaming so tbh it should be expected just like it's expected that you don't see many black people being the hero in mainstream media.
It's to be expected and you roll with it lol.
That's a pretty terrible argument. Yes, it's reality and 'to be expected'. But that doesn't mean that people who aren't in the majority group should be expected to just "roll with it". In fact, if anything, the fact that it's just played off as 'expected' by the majority is exactly why people in the minority should challenge it to some extent.
Lmao isn't that realistic? But also its the norm at play there just like how you don't see mixed race couples.
You can see a fricking alien with a white human but not a black guy with a white woman lol.
Please the ignorance on that needs to pass already lol.
I agree that I'd like to see more mixed race human couples in DA. It's not uncommon to see in Mass Effect, but there aren't that many that I can think of off the top of my head in DA. Outside of Vivienne and Bastien, obviously.
Doesn't matter what devs post as the dev isnt with you when you play these games and you wouldn't know what dev's have said unless you go looking for it.
Experience wise from the player's standpoint there is no inclination of it so it comes as a shock in DA2.
While you might not understand the writer's intention while experiencing it the first time, it doesn't negate that intention altogether. Particularly when they make that intention public. You can choose to ignore any clarifications on intention if you choose to, but it doesn't mean that they don't exist and are, in fact, reality. In this case, you might have perceived Anders as straight, but he was always bisexual. Perception is not, in fact, reality when it comes to situations like this.
And Like I said i think its the shock value and the added rival points that makes it feel forced like "Did I need to say yes to make sure he doesn't get rival points?"
Some people don't play games with walkthroughs to know what each dialogue option leads to so a majority of players experience this feeling whether it could be avoided or not and that is why the complaints were there for Anders and not Fenris I believe.
I have seen a ton of complaints about Steve and Kaidan in ME 3 as well. Neither of them have 'forced' rivalry points/consequences.
I think it's interesting to look at the trends across the characters. There have only been 8 gay or bisexual male LI's in Bioware games ever. (To put it in perspective, there are more than that just for straight men in SWTOR alone....) Of those, there are regular complaints about how 'forced' the interactions with Steve, Kaidan, Dorian, and Anders are. There are not those same complaints about Sky, Zevran, Bull, and Fenris. To me, the difference is that the first group is the group that has the 'audacity' to openly flirt with male characters without being prompted by the PC. That's the issue. What's being 'forced' is simply the acknowledgement that there are men who are attracted to men. We don't see the same complaints about Fenris because he doesn't talk about his sexuality at all if you don't romance him. And you don't see the same complaints about Zevran because he actually asks for permission before he flirts with you (outside of the guys who agree to have a 'backrub' from him in their tent and then get up in arms that it's not just a 'backrub'......smh).
Basically, my point is this: what's good for the straight goose is good for the gay goose (since ganders aren't really relevant in this metaphor.....). If it's okay to have a bunch of lady characters flirt with male PCs without prompting, then it's okay for male characters to flirt with male PCs without prompting too. The only people who should have problems with male characters flirting with their male PCs are the people who have problems with any character flirting with their PCs. Otherwise, my advice to them is suck it up, buttercup. At least that's my view on it.
And what about liking a male character less because they're "into dudes." That's "cool," yes?Basically, hate Anders because he's an arrogant, hypocritical, douchebag terrorist. Don't hate Anders because he's into dudes.
Or, hate Isabela because she's a self-interested sell-out. Don't hate Isabela because she openly enjoys sex with men and women.
And what about liking a male character less because they're "into dudes." That's "cool," yes?
Since I do appreciate a good romance, but can't appreciate male-male romance. So that's obviously going to gravitate me towards straight male characters.
I'm not interested in romancing female characters with male PCs. Cassandra's a straight woman. Her sexuality doesn't make me like her any less. It simply takes her out of the pool of characters that I will romance. If I liked her less because she's 'into dudes', then I'd be a bit of an *******, no? In fact, I like Cassandra way more than I like Iron Bull.
And what about liking a male character less because they're "into dudes." That's "cool," yes?
Since I do appreciate a good romance, but can't appreciate male-male romance. So that's obviously going to gravitate me towards straight male characters.
Cassandra's a woman, mate.
Anyway, this is far bigger than who I choose to romance a tiny fraction of fiction. I watch a movie, I can appreciate and value a male character's romantic relationship and dialogue and whatnot with a female character. Or even dialogue about romance and such in general. With a male romance, it's really just not the same at all.
Cassandra's a woman?!?!!?!? But have you seen that jawline.......?
Seriously, though, yeah. I know she's a woman. She's also a romanceable character for male PCs. Which is kind of the point, no? But if you insist on playing it the other way, fine.
Blackwall's a straight man. His sexuality doesn't make me like him any less. It simply takes him out of the pool of characters that I will romance. If I liked him less because he's 'not into dudes', then I'd be a bit of an *******, no? In fact, I like Blackwall way more than I like Iron Bull.
Better?
There's also a difference between "this makes me like the straight character more" and "this makes like the gay character less". Yes, in relation to each other, they lead to the same functional outcome. But the object of the like/dislike has vastly different origins. One of which is about positives and the other is about negatives. Surely you can see that, no?
That's a pretty terrible argument. Yes, it's reality and 'to be expected'. But that doesn't mean that people who aren't in the majority group should be expected to just "roll with it". In fact, if anything, the fact that it's just played off as 'expected' by the majority is exactly why people in the minority should challenge it to some extent.
I agree that I'd like to see more mixed race human couples in DA. It's not uncommon to see in Mass Effect, but there aren't that many that I can think of off the top of my head in DA. Outside of Vivienne and Bastien, obviously.
While you might not understand the writer's intention while experiencing it the first time, it doesn't negate that intention altogether. Particularly when they make that intention public. You can choose to ignore any clarifications on intention if you choose to, but it doesn't mean that they don't exist and are, in fact, reality. In this case, you might have perceived Anders as straight, but he was always bisexual. Perception is not, in fact, reality when it comes to situations like this.
I have seen a ton of complaints about Steve and Kaidan in ME 3 as well. Neither of them have 'forced' rivalry points/consequences.
I think it's interesting to look at the trends across the characters. There have only been 8 gay or bisexual male LI's in Bioware games ever. (To put it in perspective, there are more than that just for straight men in SWTOR alone....) Of those, there are regular complaints about how 'forced' the interactions with Steve, Kaidan, Dorian, and Anders are. There are not those same complaints about Sky, Zevran, Bull, and Fenris. To me, the difference is that the first group is the group that has the 'audacity' to openly flirt with male characters without being prompted by the PC. That's the issue. What's being 'forced' is simply the acknowledgement that there are men who are attracted to men. We don't see the same complaints about Fenris because he doesn't talk about his sexuality at all if you don't romance him. And you don't see the same complaints about Zevran because he actually asks for permission before he flirts with you (outside of the guys who agree to have a 'backrub' from him in their tent and then get up in arms that it's not just a 'backrub'......smh).
Basically, my point is this: what's good for the straight goose is good for the gay goose (since ganders aren't really relevant in this metaphor.....). If it's okay to have a bunch of lady characters flirt with male PCs without prompting, then it's okay for male characters to flirt with male PCs without prompting too. The only people who should have problems with male characters flirting with their male PCs are the people who have problems with any character flirting with their PCs. Otherwise, my advice to them is suck it up, buttercup. At least that's my view on it.
First of all.... I think you have been the most civil person and understanding that I have spoken to on here so thank you lol.
But back to our discussion...
You may see it as a terrible point but that is how "the norm" is selected. It's essentially the majority vote. That is our reality.
Challenging the majority for a fair standing is perfectly fine and should be done but also understanding should come with it that it will take time for people to accept it if they do at all.
Like I said about mixed race characters/couples. It just doesn't happen unless it is on their "white supremacist" terms.( don't be alarmed now people lol)
If we look at slavery times it was ok for the white guy to sleep with the black woman right? But a black man could never do the same right?
Then we have your Vivienne x Bastian example which still follows this trend. But when will we see a black man with a white woman?
Anyone remember the reaction in the US to the Cheerios advert with the mixed race child?
That is how bad it is for mixed race people like me to be recognized as "acceptable" lol.
And erm I wasn't "choosing to ignore any clarifications" when they weren't there in my playthrough of Awakening or DLC explanation for it or manual of DA2.
I was never presented with such clarifications. After experiencing the feeling I got from it and then coming here I have now got clarification for it (and even knowledge that it can be avoided altogether) so now I know I can reason with it and accept it but for those who never got the clarification and feel that "telling them now doesn't change how it made them feel" still have that right to feel that way as it wasn't clear beforehand so it is understandable if some are shocked by it before the clarification.
But that being said I understand that you are right that some people can't handle the openness about being gay just being given to you like "it is perfectly normal" as some people are still prudish about such topics and some just don't see it as normal whether from a religious view or community view. So yeah I think you are somewhat right with your opinion on how others feel about the "audacity" of it lol.
And yeah both gooses must learn to suck it up but it will take time for the "less normal" occurrences to get used to in general.
And me waiting for mixed race relationships and options just won't happen in my lifetime so at least you folks of the LGBTQ have it better than some lol
Your prerogative. No discussing about it with you, then.
There's also a difference between "this makes me like the straight character more" and "this makes like the gay character less". Yes, in relation to each other, they lead to the same functional outcome. But the object of the like/dislike has vastly different origins. One of which is about positives and the other is about negatives. Surely you can see that, no?
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