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[Domiel Angelus]

Oh yes. It's the same type of not-logic they used when people asked them why templar NPCs in DA2 never tried to collect mage-Hawke for the Gallows, and their reply was that at the time of writing they didn't know whether blood mage would be a spec available to players. As if templars were only after blood mages and ignored all other mages. "We screwed up" are among the hardest words to say or write known to mankind.

 

I miss when Blood Magic was an actual decision to make and not just another specialization. In DA:O you had to make a deal with the Desire Demon to unlock it for the first time, which meant you had to commit something super heinous; when the expansion came out it added two more ways you can do something just as heinous and work with the wicked Baroness or track down a bookseller and get it the punk way for 8g out of pocket.  In DA 2 you didn't even need to buy a book, it sort of threw the whole Blood Magic is serious business and taboo out the window, and in DA:I we got Necromancy which is Blood Magic for the Good two shoes because our Inquisitor can never defeat those shades of grey neutrality to gain a persona as an evil overlord.

[Shechinah]

(to Domiel Angelus) I wish we could have learned our specializations directly from our companions and with a quest about that process since they all have the specializations you can learn as far as I can remember. It could provide additional insight into the character by how they attempt to teach you and the methods they employ.

[Kierro Ren]

I would already be happy with a male Quarian like Kal'Reggar (I'd prefer to romance him with a female, throught. But if he was male only, I would be more than Ok to roll a male character.)

 

Sadly, Kal died. Him and his squad died heroically.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Kal'Reggar? isn't he the guy with the southern american accent, which is weird since the rest of the Quarian's mostly sound european

[Felya87]

Sadly, Kal died. Him and his squad died heroically.

I know. (one big disappointmant from ME3) that's why I said a male Quarian like him. Not him. Just a similar character.

[Felya87]

Kal'Reggar? isn't he the guy with the southern american accent, which is weird since the rest of the Quarian's mostly sound european

 

I don't know about the accent. Italian voice didn't have a different accent.

[Terodil]

Folks, the last page was a fascinating read. I stand corrected on the Asari issue (thanks DaveLiam for pointing me at the codex, where I really should have looked from the beginning. The Mass Effect Wiki seems to be vague or even incorrect in their Asari entry), and the little excursion into biology territory was surprising too. Thanks.

[Kierro Ren]

I know. (one big disappointmant from ME3) that's why I said a male Quarian like him. Not him. Just a similar character.

 

Ah, apologies

[Felya87]

Ah, apologies

 

No harm done.   english is not my first language, so sometimes I don't express myself in a understandable manner.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

 

Is there a problem? Can I alleviate it with unfunny tumblr .jpegs and .gifs?

 

Would you have the same complaint if romances were tipped in favor of male characters? That has always been the case in the past. Why is it an issue if Bioware decides to favor female characters? The next ME game will probably favor male characters again, and no one will complain -- because that's standard ("normal").

 

I would! If my lesbian Inquisitor had only two female options to choose from, while a male Inquisitor had four, I wouldn't be pleased about that. Now that I think about it, the gay Inquisitors have the same amount of potiential LI's to choose from, and it's the bi and straight Inquisitors who have a huge imbalance. And while I, personally, wouldn't be terribly annoyed at a straight imbalance, simply because I don't play that way, I'd understand those who are and I'd support them in getting more choices in the future.

 

I mentioned that I'd like there to be the same amount per LI and orientation. The best way to go about that would be to remove any gating (unless it's for character reasons) from the LI's. Only downside to that is you'd have to put up with all the whiners complaining about how "everyone being bisexual is unrealistic," yadda, yadda, yadda. I also mentioned that if they keep an imbalance, it'd only be fair if they alternated that imbalance from game to game. In this case, female PC's win this round, and males would win the next, rinse and repeat.

 

Thanks for all the fascinating input and discussion, everyone! It pleases me greatly, and I've learned a lot! I hope we can keep the conversation going! On the subject of the thread, I'd like to see everyone's ideas about equal amounts of LI's to choose from (one way or the other) per sex, and what you'd like the LI's to be like! This can be for DA or ME (what the heck, or both!) Bonus points if the character descriptions don't remind us of other Bioware characters!

[daveliam]

Thanks for all the fascinating input and discussion, everyone! It pleases me greatly, and I've learned a lot! I hope we can keep the conversation going! On the subject of the thread, I'd like to see everyone's ideas about equal amounts of LI's to choose from (one way or the other) per sex, and what they'd like the LI's to be like! This can be for DA or ME (what the heck, or both!) Bonus points if the character descriptions don't remind us of other Bioware characters!

 

I personally like the idea of a variety of sexualities (versus the everyone is bisexual approach).

 

I like them working with a 2/2/2 approach where there are two options each for straight guys & gals, gay guys and lesbians.  I also don't mind if some groups get a few more options than others in any particular game.  I just like it to be mixed up where different demographics the 'extras' each time. 

 

I think we all know which character type is my number one request for the next DA game.......

[sandalisthemaker]

From the asari codex in ME:

 

 

Basically, the team didn't think about and/or want to put in m/m options in the series, but wanted to put f/f options in.  Instead of just saying that, they tried to use these twisted chains of semi-logic to make arguments for why FemShep could get with girls, but maleShep couldn't get with guys.  It just ended up making them look stupid and, ultimately, they ended up putting them in (thankfully since in my mind maleShep/Kaidan is the only way to play the game).  It was embarrassing to experience. 

 

 

 

 

Wat.

 

I had no idea it was like that.

 

*Vomits*

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

I personally like the idea of a variety of sexualities (versus the everyone is bisexual approach).

 

I like them working with a 2/2/2 approach where there are two options each for straight guys & gals, gay guys and lesbians.  I also don't mind if some groups get a few more options than others in any particular game.  I just like it to be mixed up where different demographics the 'extras' each time. 

 

I think we all know which character type is my number one request for the next DA game.......

 

I prefer that, too, (immensely, even) but for me the "almost everyone is bisexual" system is more of a compromise I'm willing to make, if we simply don't get enough options per orientation and sex. To get a better understanding of 2/2/2, is that like two straight men and women, two bisexual men and women, and two gay and lesbian? Or is it a bit simpler than that? One straight man and woman, one bisexual man and woman, one gay and lesbian? The latter would certainly prevent an overabundance of choices, lol. And while I love to have more choices in every way, it typically comes at the cost of development.

 

Ah, yes, the KISA?    That has been my desire for a long time. If they do implement one (either in DA or ME somehow), I'd like it if he (or she, or maybe even both of them!) was/were same-sex exclusive. It might sound selfish, but I rather think female characters have had more than enough male KISA, and males have had none. Meanwhile females have had no female KISA, and I think, if you count Cassie, males have had only one. The KISA is still in the women's favor, IMO.

[daveliam]

Wat.

 

I had no idea it was like that.

 

*Vomits*

 

To be fair, I'm being slightly flippant about it and paraphrasing alot of it, but it was pretty damned cringeworthy.  I still do not think fondly of some of those devs who made those comments, even these years later because it was pretty annoying and, frankly, insultingly stupid. 

 

I prefer that, too, (immensely, even) but for me the "almost everyone is bisexual" system is more of a compromise I'm willing to make, if we simply don't get enough options per orientation and sex. To get a better understanding of 2/2/2, is that like two straight men and women, two bisexual men and women, and two gay and lesbian? Or is it a bit simpler than that? One straight man and woman, one bisexual man and woman, one gay and lesbian? The latter would certainly prevent an overabundance of choices, lol. And while I love to have more choices in every way, it typically comes at the cost of development.

 

Ah, yes, the KISA?    That has been my desire for a long time. If they do implement one (either in DA or ME somehow), I'd like it if he (or she, or maybe even both of them!) was/were same-sex exclusive. It might sound selfish, but I rather think female characters have had more than enough male KISA, and males have had none. Meanwhile females have had no female KISA, and I think, if you count Cassie, males have had only one. The KISA is still in the women's favor, IMO.

 

Yeah, I was thinking of 2 straight people (one guy, one gal), 2 bisexual people (one guy, one gal), and 2 gay people (one guy, one gal).  Kind of like what they did with DA: I (minus the "extra" additions). This way it's only 6 LI's, which is totally within the scope of a normal Bioware game.

 

And, yeah, I'm talking KISA.  Damn me and my single-mindedness!

[sandalisthemaker]

What still bothers me is the notion that Cullen and Solas were kept straight because "it didn't fit their character" to be bisexual. 

 

That is annoying because it implies that there are certain characteristics and personality traits that are incompatible with being bisexual or gay.  That is BS and really annoys me. 

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

What still bothers me is the notion that Cullen and Solas were kept straight because "it didn't fit their character" to be bisexual. 

 

That is annoying because it implies that there are certain characteristics and personality traits that are incompatible with being bisexual or gay.  That is BS and really annoys me. 

 

Like how Bioware seems to think most bisexual people will boink anything that moves, including at least one of "those" in each game (Zevran, Isabela, IB)? I hate that so much. If one of "those" finally manages to be absent from the next DA, I'm going to eat my shoe.

 

I'm so desperate for what really represents the average gay man. Just a normal, masculine guy who speaks like a normal (preferably intelligent) person, and in DA, is a lawful/neutral good knight and devoted lover. As long as they don't make him boring, anyway. I think a bashful knight would be really cute, personally...

[Domiel Angelus]

The weirdest part is the breakdown in Dragon Age in comparison to Mass Effect, we've done the ME split to death already but here's the DA one:

 

Dragon Age Origins: 1 male only, 1 female only, 2 bisexual EDIT We bang okay option: 1 

Dragon Age Origins Awakening: No Romances (head canon excluded), its also the only one where they straight out kill a character that they allow you to gain favor with. (Mhairi, prototype Cassandra, we hardly knew ye; I would have gladly given up Oghren up to keep you longer, and maybe Velanna) Too many teasers!!!!!!

Dragon Age 2: 1 female only, 4 bisexual and two teasers. EDIT We bang okay option 1 (special)

Dragon Age The Last Court: 2 bisexual

Dragon Age Inquisition: 2 male only, 2 female only, 1 female elf/human only, 1 female elf only, 1 bisexual, 1 pansexual (because Bull would bang a Dragon) and two very teasing dwarves. EDIT We bang okay option 1

 

We've shifted in a very weird direction based on the previous installments of the series from having a large amount of male/female romance options to having the more prioritized mixture that we saw in Mass Effect. I have a feeling that's why a lot of people were taken aback by the changes. Dragon Age Origins had one more base romance than Mass Effect because in ME we got one Blueberry, and in DA:O we got a feisty redheaded bard and a dance with no pants loving elf.

 

This by the way shows that bisexuals followed by females had a trend of having been spoiled for options in DA which is the exact opposite of ME.

 

EDIT added the "We bang okay" section. 

[Mihura]

The funny thing about LIs, is that if you do not have enough companions of certain genders it is impossible to balance. Which is the problem with DA:I, there are too many dudes and most of them are straight. My number one complain before the game was even release was exactly that, they needed at least one more female companion to balance the party.

My problem is not that some get more options, I really do not care since I RP different characters. The problem here is, what if things never change? is the next game gonna to have again more guys and so again more male LIs? because I not seeing bioware putting a party of 6 lesbian, bisexuals and so on... with only three straight guys and that is exactly what they did, if it was reversed.

I for one miss DA 2 system of friendship and romance.

[daveliam]

The weirdest part is the breakdown in Dragon Age in comparison to Mass Effect, we've done the ME split to death already but here's the DA one:

 

Dragon Age Origins: 1 male only, 1 female only, 2 bisexual

Dragon Age Origins Awakening: No Romances (head canon excluded), its also the only one where they straight out kill a character that they allow you to gain favor with. (Mhairi, prototype Cassandra, we hardly knew ye; I would have gladly given up Oghren up to keep you longer, and maybe Velanna) Too many teasers!!!!!!

Dragon Age 2: 1 female only, 4 bisexual and two teasers.

Dragon Age The Last Court: 2 bisexual

Dragon Age Inquisition: 2 male only, 2 female only, 1 female elf/human only, 1 female elf only, 1 bisexual, 1 pansexual (because Bull would bang a Dragon) and two very teasing dwarves. 

 

We've shifted in a very weird direction based on the previous installments of the series from having a large amount of male/female romance options to having the more prioritized mixture that we saw in Mass Effect. I have a feeling that's why a lot of people were taken aback by the changes. Dragon Age Origins had one more base romance than Mass Effect because in ME we got one Blueberry, and in DA:O we got a feisty redheaded bard and a dance with no pants loving elf.

 

This by the way shows that bisexuals and females had a trend of having been spoiled for options in DA which is the exact opposite of ME. 

 

Bisexuals will always have more options than straight and gay people.  That's kind of the point.

 

With regard to total numbers for the games:

 

DA

straight guys - 6

straight gals - 9

gay guys - 5

lesbians - 5

 

ME (only counting those who grant paramour)

straight guys - 6

straight gals - 5

gay guys - 2

lesbians - 3

 

So, you can see that while straight gals have had more options in DA, straight guys have had more options in ME.  Overall, though, yes, straight gals have had 14 options in the two series, which is the most.  Straight guys have 11; lesbians have 8; and gay guys only have 7 (half the amount of straight gals).

[Domiel Angelus]

The funny thing about LIs, is that if you do not have enough companions of certain genders it is impossible to balance. Which is the problem with DA:I, there are too many dudes and most of them are straight. My number one complain before the game was even release was exactly that, they needed at least one more female companion to balance the party.

My problem is not that some get more options, I really do not care since I RP different characters. The problem here is, what if things never change? is the next game gonna to have again more guys and so again more male LIs? because I not seeing bioware putting a party of 6 lesbian, bisexuals and so on... with only three straight guys and that is exactly what they did, if it was reversed.

I for one miss DA 2 system of friendship and romance.

 

 

I miss the rival meter. I think there were far more plans for love interests based on how you can talk to a few of the other people around the keep but they didn't have time to pan them out.

[Domiel Angelus]

Bisexuals will always have more options than straight and gay people.  That's kind of the point.

 

With regard to total numbers for the games:

 

DA

straight guys - 6

straight gals - 9

gay guys - 5

lesbians - 5

 

ME (only counting those who grant paramour)

straight guys - 6

straight gals - 5

gay guys - 2

lesbians - 3

 

So, you can see that while straight gals have had more options in DA, straight guys have had more options in ME.  Overall, though, yes, straight gals have had 14 options in the two series, which is the most.  Straight guys have 11; lesbians have 8; and gay guys only have 7 (half the amount of straight gals).

 

The sadder part is they have the test voices for more gay romances within those, and they cut romances completely out of Awakening even though you could A.) complete the first game without a romance or B.) You're playing a brand new character if your Warden died (and you didn't let it reboot his/her death) or you chose to just do so. That's rather sad that the Orlesian is left without. 

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

The sadder part is they have the test voices for more gay romances within those, and they cut romances completely out of Awakening even though you could A.) complete the first game without a romance or B.) You're playing a brand new character if your Warden died (and you didn't let it reboot his/her death) or you chose to just do so. That's rather sad that the Orlesian is left without. 

 

As far as Awakening goes, at least we can have our "headcanons." ;_;

 

Nathaniel, you will be mine...!

[devSin]

Yeah, this was a giant mess when it happened.
 
Here's the synopsis:

You forgot when they said Shepard had no gay options because they wanted to keep it PG-13.

That was fun.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

You forgot when they said Shepard had no gay options because they wanted to keep it PG-13.

That was fun.

 

...

 

You're kidding me.

[Grieving Natashina]

You forgot when they said Shepard had no gay options because they wanted to keep it PG-13.

That was fun.

Wut.