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#276
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It was supposed to be.  iirc, the original concept was that the Inquisitor would find him living as a hermit somewhere.  Afterwards, they'd take him back to Skyhold and decide what to do with him.  He lost his right arm after being attacked by Templars or someone else after Kirkwall, I think.

 

Aaaa! I saw that pic earlier but didn't realize it was Anders! Even with him getting mentioned, I thought it was just a mistake or joke. Aren't I in denial. I'd love to just forget Anders and move on. Because I thought his storyline was done either way. What would there be left?

 

I found the hermit picture intriguing, without recognizing him as Anders, and I wish intriguing characters would bring a strong story with them, instead of something depending on player's previous character's possible whims. I guess what I'm saying is, while I love cameos and canon rumors and seeing growth and changes and alternative consequences to players' choices, in some cases they might turn into even better new characters and new storylines.

 

But yeah this is a biased post since Anders is not my personal fave. :rolleyes: And there are Bioware characters I'm never going to see in action, like Padok or Stroud, because I'm so invested in certain playthroughs and don't have time for playing any game unlimited times. This feels kind of sad...



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So, no one thought of this when seeing that picture?

 

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You didn't condemn her actions. Which means you condone them. 

 

So, if one does not repeteadly condemn an historical event when commenting on it, that means we are condoning it?

Must I emulate Cato? Should I now finish all my posts with "Orlais delenda est"?



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Well,  my Hawke romanced him and he says he's fine so...

 

 

 

And furthermore, I really doubt he'd allow the inquisitor to judge him anyway. My inquisitor wouldn't execute himanyway though, he's an atheist elven mage who , while not condoning crazy mages, would prefer not to spill magical blood and would probably put Anders to work. Secretly of course. 



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I hope he comes back. He should be judged.

A tricky matter, that. Who's being judged? Anders, Justice, or their composite entity? If they were split apart again, would the people be the same as they were together?

 

Either way, my sentence would be, as is the case for most of my prisoners, recruitment.



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Anders of course. Because he should have known better than to let himself possessed and for dragging it for so long, knowing he was losing control.



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Anders of course. Because he should have known better than to let himself possessed and for dragging it for so long, knowing he was losing control.

Sort of like drunk driving. Though when one of those people kills someone, they get charged with manslaughter, not murder.



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Anders is more or less a stereotype of Giordano Bruno. If you've read all the history and history's circumnstances, with all the supplied information, you will know that giving Anders that death is preservative for future lives in the game, and doesn't lead to the same atrocious (but, except the atrociousness, ultimately justified) death Bruno had to suffer from the secular justice.



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Sort of like drunk driving. Though when one of those people kills someone, they get charged with manslaughter, not murder.

 

It's not really like drunk driving. A alcoholic can be rehabilitated, but Anders is basically an abomination. The "alcohol" in this case is an entity that's permanently bound to him and affects his thinking and his actions. It's like an infection that totally changes his outlook and can cause him to spin wildly out of control if the urge strikes, and no amount of assurance of his can be trusted.


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Anders is more or less a stereotype of Giordano Bruno. If you've read all the history and history's circumnstances, with all the supplied information, you will know that giving Anders that death is preservative for future lives in the game, and doesn't lead to the same atrocious (but, except the atrociousness, ultimately justified) death Bruno had to suffer from the secular justice.

Er, wasn't he murdered outright for making theological arguments?

 

 

It's not really like drunk driving. A alcoholic can be rehabilitated, but Anders is basically an abomination. The "alcohol" in this case is an entity that's permanently bound to him and affects his thinking and his actions. It's like an infection that totally changes his outlook and can cause him to spin wildly out of control if the urge strikes, and no amount of assurance of his can be trusted.

Then we work on finding a way to separate them. In any case, there are only two major incidents of this, and only one can't be stopped.



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Sort of like drunk driving. Though when one of those people kills someone, they get charged with manslaughter, not murder.


And they usually are still given prison time (and that's by modern standards, which are generally far more forgiving than those of Thedas).

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And they usually are still given prison time (and that's by modern standards, which are generally far more forgiving than those of Thedas).

In my view, helping the Inquisition would work as that.



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Sort of like drunk driving. Though when one of those people kills someone, they get charged with manslaughter, not murder.


When was the last time a drunk driver killed hundreds of people and caused major damage to a large city?

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I'm really curious how exactly will Anders/Vengeance, but mostly Vengeance, keep their cool and not turn on the Inquisition because they don't meet their idea of "justice".



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Er, wasn't he murdered outright for making theological arguments?

 

"Giordano Bruno was executed in 1600 in Campo dei Fiori in Rome, following the verdict of heresy uttered by the Roman Inquisition. He was tried by the methods of compulsion common at that time, and the verdict, in accordance with the law at the time, was inevitably a harbinger of a terrible death.

 

 

Bruno was executed because he rejected the Christian foundations on which was based the whole society, the death of the heretic was considered an extreme form of defense. The ecclesiastical apparatus felt this action necessary for the survival of the company.

Bruno had nothing to do with rational thinking, he wasn't neither a champion of the world of science, nor of the philosophical. As explained by the historian of religions Mircea Eliade, "if Giordano Bruno greeted with much enthusiasm the discoveries of Copernicus, it was also because he believed that heliocentrism had a deep religious meaning and magic; when he was in England Bruno prophesied the imminent return of the magical religion of the ancient Egyptians which was described in the Asclepius. Bruno played the Copernican diagram as the hieroglyph of divine mysteries "(M. Eliade," History of beliefs and religious ideas ").

 

Bruno, as we have already had occasion to point out, was one of many wizards of the sixteenth century who believed in horoscopes and determinism of the stars, and he saw in heliocentrism not a scientific theory, an astronomical fact, but confirmation of his magical, astrological vision, which contemplated an animist heliolatry of Egyptian mold. The book "Giordano Bruno" (Fazi 2013), written by Bertrand Levergeois, has spoken recently of it, which calls him a "Kabbalist".

 

 

Bruno is the author of De vinculis, written after a lifetime of diving deep into the magical and occult traditions. With the volume, according to the review published in Italy today, aims to illustrate the techniques to manipulate individual and the masses, individuals as entire peoples, an art so black and lout that "to understand it and appreciate it," says Ioan P . Couliano in Eros and magic in the Renaissance (Basic Books, 1989), "one should be aware of the various trusts activity, the various ministries of propaganda. It would help to take a look in the manuals of schools of espionage. The magician of De vinculis typically is the prototype of the impersonal systems of mass media, the manipulation of global and indirect censorship, the prototype of the various brain trusts that exercise their occult control over the western masses."

 

I have a whole bunch of this stuff... Bruno was also a conspirator, a terrorist and the sum of the previously mentioned activities as wizard, heretic and denier of science and human reason.

Copernicus was never being put into trial, Nicola Cusano either and so many others that really did scientific and theological improvements.



#291
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Funnily, I never said anything about science. I said he was murdered for making theological arguments, which he was.



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Funnily, I never said anything about science. I said he was murdered for making theological arguments, which he was.

Heresy isn't theology (especially true in the case of Bruno), hence what you stated is inaccurate. :)



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Heresy isn't theology, hence what you stated is inaccurate. :)

"The only valid argument is one I agree with, and killing everyone who argues otherwise is justifiable?"



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Whether you liked or hated Anders, he is a high profile character and would have provided a multitude of interesting plot developements - even as a major antagonist.

 

The option just murder knife him like a sucker ruined that for no reason. For committing such a grand crime, he got shanked like a bronze age apple thief instead of maybe becoming an interesting villain, because "here's your RP".


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"The only valid argument is one I agree with, and killing everyone who argues otherwise is justifiable?"

 

One thing is having an argument and disagreeing. People did it even before Bruno, and they have gone through unscathed.

One another is being a public enemy for the people, their faith and their countries. Bruno didn't simply made up an opinion and said "I think this" and got killed. He went obfuscating and thwarting people's beliefs, moreover being a subversive plotter on the same levels, secular and religious.

 

Anyway, I'm done with it. Believe what you prefer, but you can't read history in such simplicistic manner, or apply your judging criteria to the ones of four centuries ago.



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Anyway, I'm done with it. Believe what you prefer, but you can't read history in such simplicistic manner, or apply your judging criteria to the ones of four centuries ago.

Given that there were people 400 years ago who dared to oppose the Catholic Church and consider it right, I don't have to.


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When was the last time a drunk driver killed hundreds of people and caused major damage to a large city?


Still waiting for an answer to this question.

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Still waiting for an answer to this question.

Continue waiting, because the question isn't relevant to my point, and I already said what I would do with Anders.



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Continue waiting, because the question isn't relevant to my point, and I already said what I would do with Anders.


But it's perfectly relevant. You created a false equivalency. No drunk driver has ever killed that many people, or caused that much property damage. There is no comparison between a drunk driver who kills five people in a car wreck and a bombing that very likely killed more people, and certainly did more damage, than the Oklahoma City Bombing.

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Not sure how drunk drivers got brought up but one did get charged with murder recently and was sentenced to 30 years in jail.