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[Catche Jagger]

In my view, helping the Inquisition would work as that.

I would agree, as long as he acknowledged that his actions went too far. (Which I assume he would, upon being seperately from Vengence)

[esper]

Eh, that would a can of worms better not opened, espically since an romanced Hawke can still potentially be shielding him and then bioware would have to deal with how Hawke would react to that. (Mine wouldn't have accepted it, but then again she was a culpable as him in this).

 

 

If you want to judge Anders you can do so in da2.

[mat_mark]

Anders is more or less a stereotype of Giordano Bruno. If you've read all the history and history's circumnstances, with all the supplied information, you will know that giving Anders that death is preservative for future lives in the game, and doesn't lead to the same atrocious (but, except the atrociousness, ultimately justified) death Bruno had to suffer from the secular justice.

 

 

 

I have a whole bunch of this stuff... Bruno was also a conspirator, a terrorist and the sum of the previously mentioned activities as wizard, heretic and denier of science and human reason.

Copernicus was never being put into trial, Nicola Cusano either and so many others that really did scientific and theological improvements.

 

oh look! a biased view of history! 

 

Comparing Anders with Giordano Bruno is just wrong: the only thing they have in common is that they dared to challange the status quo.

 

[trevelyan_shep]

Anders is a terrorist. Most terrorist don't get treated very well when they kill a bunch of innocent people. Why should Anders be given leeway to do whatever he wants if the Inquisition captures him? He should be killed for his crimes. 

[LOLandStuff]

But it's perfectly relevant. You created a false equivalency. No drunk driver has ever killed that many people, or caused that much property damage. There is no comparison between a drunk driver who kills five people in a car wreck and a bombing that very likely killed more people, and certainly did more damage, than the Oklahoma City Bombing.

 

Unlike a drunk driver, Anders had the whole thing planed from the start.

And since when are drunk drivers are devious enough to come up with a plan to mass murder innocent people in an attempt to demonstrate a point?

[X Equestris]

Unlike a drunk driver, Anders had the whole thing planed from the start.
And since when are drunk drivers are devious enough to come up with a plan to mass murder innocent people in an attempt to demonstrate a point?

Precisely. But these are points Xil would like to ignore.

[Vit246]

*sigh*.....I thought I was done with debating Anders, but I can't help myself.....

 

I never got the impression that Anders killed "hundreds of innocent people" when he destroyed the Chantry. More like a Grand Cleric and a few Templars, but those people are hardly "innocent". Hell, I could even argue they were legitimate targets, but do I really want to open that can of worms?

[X Equestris]

*sigh*.....I thought I was done with debating Anders, but I can't help myself.....
 
I never got the impression that Anders killed "hundreds of innocent people" when he destroyed the Chantry. More like a Grand Cleric and a few Templars, but those people are hardly "innocent". Hell, I could even argue they were legitimate targets, but do I really want to open that can of worms?

Varric and Vivienne both confirm hundreds of dead. You blow up a building that big, throw rubble into the air and across the city, and there WILL be collateral damage. There are embers landing in Lowtown. That means there are probably fires all over Hightown.

[Catche Jagger]

*sigh*.....I thought I was done with debating Anders, but I can't help myself.....

I never got the impression that Anders killed "hundreds of innocent people" when he destroyed the Chantry. More like a Grand Cleric and a few Templars, but those people are hardly "innocent". Hell, I could even argue they were legitimate targets, but do I really want to open that can of worms?

Probably not, since it's canonically stated that he killed hundreds, and it's highly unlikely that the Grand Cleric and some templars were the only ones in the chantry.

[LOLandStuff]

Just because we see like five people in the cutscene, doesn't mean there are like five people in the Chantry.

And the Chantry exploded, it didn't implode.

[Xilizhra]

Unlike a drunk driver, Anders had the whole thing planed from the start.

And since when are drunk drivers are devious enough to come up with a plan to mass murder innocent people in an attempt to demonstrate a point?

The point of that analogy was a reference to the merger with Justice.

[KaiserShep]

*sigh*.....I thought I was done with debating Anders, but I can't help myself.....

 

I never got the impression that Anders killed "hundreds of innocent people" when he destroyed the Chantry. More like a Grand Cleric and a few Templars, but those people are hardly "innocent". Hell, I could even argue they were legitimate targets, but do I really want to open that can of worms?

 

If the Chantry was isolated in a remote location, sure. If you blew up St. Patrick's Cathedral at any time of the day or night, you're going to have many many casualties.

[thats1evildude]

Yeah, half the city was devastated by Anders' explosion. This was confirmed in DAI.

[X Equestris]

The point of that analogy was a reference to the merger with Justice.

Except that even when they are drunk, a drunk driver usually has no intention of killing or injuring anyone. On the friendship path, Anders quite willingly goes along with Justice's plan, and even on the Rivalry path he goes along with it until and unless Hawke persuades him otherwise, which is when Justice outright stops him from taking action. So the analogy doesn't really work.

[Kingthlayer]

Maybe due to the fact he can be killed in-game but they did bring back Leliana which I think was a one-off by BioWare so could happen but doubt it. 

 

They could pull a Mass Effect that put in a substitute in place for people who killed him and people who didn't would see him in future content.

 

Or just have content for those that kept Anders alive.

 

It's really not difficult, if I hated Anders and killed him off, I don't care that he shows up and hands out a short side quest because I don't care about the character because I killed him.

[DirkJake]

Eh, that would a can of worms better not opened, espically since an romanced Hawke can still potentially be shielding him and then bioware would have to deal with how Hawke would react to that. (Mine wouldn't have accepted it, but then again she was a culpable as him in this).

 

 

If you want to judge Anders you can do so in da2.

 

Agreed. My Hawke would have nothing to do with the inquisition if the inquisition is going to capture him.

 

But how's about having a war table mission about him? One advisor can capture him and then give the inquisitor options to re-judge and/or punish him. Another advisor can invite him as a guest and treat him nicely. Another advisor can suggest having nothing to do with him, "We don't want the Chantry incident to happen to Skyhold, do we, inquisitor?" 

[esper]

It could be like Zev's mission, I guess.  If romanced it just doesn't show up. I wouldn't be oppossed to that. (I just really, really don't want bioware to react to how a romanced Hawke should react to Anders being captured. There are too many possible way for a Hawke to react to that and the Whole thing is suhc a mess.)

 

But quite honestly I just don't think it is the Inquisitors busniness. Anders was the spark that started the fire and the Inqusitors job is the fire. (But then Again, I also think that mayor whose crime was under the blight is not our busniness)

 

If it was important for the player to punish, why not do so in da2?

[Ravenmyste]

I hope so..... Considering I killed him. Mwahaha!

if he comes back from me stabbing him in the back, then he will have to have spirit in him to live again.../where my flaming sword

[LightningSamus]

I will wait to see if Bioware say this themselves.

Someone misquoted Gaider before about wardens and darkspawn as he said they are not going to have a huge role in DA:I.
Someone instead was saying Gaider said there will be no Wardens or Darkspawn in DA:I and people were upset, many people are gullible.

Gaider confirmed he was misquoted in a thread.

So if they do actually not include him in future games then that will be a huge disappointment but i just hope it is nonsense.

I love to see old characters return, i have been a fan since the first game came out.

[Redcat1974]

Anders is an important character in my playthrough(starting in awakening and especially da2) in da 2 he is my love interest for good or ill because my fem hawke fell for him inspite of herself. If he's written out of inquisition it's a big deal!! It is bioware who opens all the possible doors in a story. This is one major reason I play bioware games. If bioware thinks they can ween fans off the one promise that dragon age origins started... That we as players get the illusion of being in charge then they are sadly mistaken. If they don't return to player choses and choses that matter then I will not come back. I'm here to play and emerge myself in a world as my Character not baby sit a bunch of bioware characters or be upstage by bioware characters. Biowares story line should support players character first. Bioware seems to have forgotten who the supporting actors are and who is the star.

[Redcat1974]

Anders is an important character in my playthrough(starting in awakening and especially da2) in da 2 he is my love interest for good or ill because my fem hawke fell for him inspite of herself. If he's written out of inquisition it's a big deal!! It is bioware who opens all the possible doors in a story. This is one major reason I play bioware games. If bioware thinks they can ween fans off the one promise that dragon age origins started... That we as players get the illusion of being in charge then they are sadly mistaken. If they don't return to player choses and choses that matter then I will not come back. I'm here to play and emerge myself in a world as my Character not baby sit a bunch of bioware characters or be upstage by bioware characters. Biowares story line should support players character first. Bioware seems to have forgotten who the supporting actors are and who is the star.

[TheDovah]

Whilst it would have been interesting to have Anders appear in Inquisition, i think Bioware couldn't fit in any interactions between him and Hawke without upsetting everyone. It does seem odd that he didn't get involved with the Mages of the Hinterlands or with Fiona's lot but i suspect Bioware may be saving him for DA 4 or have put him on the sidelines. I am hoping they won't do an Oghren with him and forget about him along with the rest of the Awakening Wardens that didn't get mentioend or appear in DA2. It is a bit surprising that Vengance didn't turn him into an abomination or reports of a grey warden mage coming across Cullen's or Leilana's desk as that would have been more viable then the whole HOF is missing arc being resolved by Leilana going "I know i should have done it months ago but he is my friend. He's still alive and i know where he is. I'll contact him. Oh, he's looking for a cure. Tough luck, Inquisitor." As that was just poor and chances are, most Wardens would do more then look for a cure for the calling.. I could see him investigating the Warden Prison in Kirkwall and being sent on a hunt for Corypheus or looking for more awakened Darkspawn to determine if a new blight was about to happen or wworking with the Architect to stop another blight from happening and needed to travel far without letting anyone outside his inner circle know.

[Obadiah]

Best Anders ending...

[TK514]

I would be quite satisfied to have official confirmation that Anders will never again appear.

[Xilizhra]

I'd quite enjoy seeing Anders again, actually. I would want to give him a chance to see the new world.