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[Sunnie]

I would love to see Anders again, just to be able to murder-knife him all over again, for nostalgia!

[DuskWanderer]

He's dead. Unlike say, Bethany or Carver, there is no "other placeholder character" you could use to bring him back, so, he's kaput. 

[ModernAcademic]

Imagine a meeting between Cullen and Anders...

[Shadow Fox]

Eh, even if that is the case I'm am sure we will get the pleasure of disposing of him once again.

Though, if he comes back with plot armour I think I might develop an eye twitch.

...*slaps on head*

 

Don't give them ideas fool!

[KaiserShep]

Imagine a meeting between Cullen and Anders...

 

Personally I'd go for a meeting between Cassandra and Anders. I have no doubt she wouldn't waste time talking and just run him through.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Personally I'd go for a meeting between Cassandra and Anders. I have no doubt she wouldn't waste time talking and just run him through.

Imagine Leliana and Anders. The war he ignited resulted in the death of the woman she saw as friend, mother, mentor, etc. 

[mat_mark]

He's dead. Unlike say, Bethany or Carver, there is no "other placeholder character" you could use to bring him back, so, he's kaput. 

Maybe Justice could possess Anders' corpse...

 

Imagine Leliana and Anders. The war he ignited resulted in the death of the woman she saw as friend, mother, mentor, etc. 

 

Well, tecnically she was killed by Corypheus, not by the mage-templar war...

[Shadow Fox]

You achieve both those by achieving military victory.

You dictate terms after you win the field, not before.

Pretty much.

 

It's very rare for a war to end without one side decimating the other.

[Sifr]

 

And the Chantry exploded, it didn't implode.

 

Actually, it was an implosion.

 

The debris from the Chantry was shown to collapse inwards and upwards into the red beam, before being crushed and compacted in the swirling maelstrom above the Chantry, before finally detonating and being thrown across Kirkwall.

 

If it'd had been an explosion, the force would have just blasted the building apart?

[Ujop]

So I'm browsing Facebook and in one of the DA pages someone says they have just been informed that Anders will never be in any of the games ever again. I need confirmation on this. Does anyone have a reliable source proving this?

Yea I know alot of people hated Anders in DA2 and we all know bioware caters to their fans but to be fair alot of people also love him and want to see him return. Including me. I've searched and searched the internet but haven't found anything about it, I don't use twitter so I can't tweet one of the devs asking. So I'm coming here as a last resort. If anyone has any legitimate proof I would really appreciate it.

http://forum.bioware...-9#entry9566339

 

Basically if you kill Anders he stays dead and yes, than he's probably cut from DA permanently (a zombie reanimation excluded )

 

My own opinion is, that if you don't kill him, he may still play a role in some future events. ( possibly a shared appearance with standalone Justice, if Anders get killed )

[LOLandStuff]

Actually, it was an implosion.

 

The debris from the Chantry was shown to collapse inwards and upwards into the red beam, before being crushed and compacted in the swirling maelstrom above the Chantry, before finally detonating and being thrown across Kirkwall.

 

If it'd had been an explosion, the force would have just blasted the building apart?

 

The fact that it didn't collapse on itself but spreads across Kirkwall, destroying other buildings makes it an explosion. There were chunks of rocks falling all over the place which damaged the city. It wasn't local.

 

Are we really getting into details over the red beams emerging from the Chantry, detaching building parts and making them swirl around etc etc? It was a fancy magical explosion.

[Sifr]

The fact that it didn't collapse on itself but spreads across Kirkwall, destroying other buildings makes it an explosion. There were chunks of rocks falling all over the place which damaged the city. It wasn't local.

 

Are we really getting into details over the red beams emerging from the Chantry, detaching building parts and making them swirl around etc etc? It was a fancy magical explosion.

 

It'd probably be more accurate to say that it's a bit of both.

 

The Chantry itself was destroyed when it imploded, we clearly see it collapsing into itself and the red beams. The explosion came afterwards, after the energy had built up and reached critical mass, which is what ended up blasting outwards and damaging Kirkwall?

 

In terms of Anders, if he's not coming back then I'd like at least some passing reference that he finally got seperated from Justice.

 

Honestly, I always felt it was that damnable Spirit that was the cause of all the problems and who all the vitriol should be directed towards, not Anders, who was just the bloke who happened to be running a timeshare in his meatsuit with him? Besides, Anders did try to keep him under control, it's not really his fault that it was an uphill battle that he eventually lost?

 

I think a lot of Anders hate is down to audience perception more than actual fault of the character, stemming from the direction they took him in DA2?

 

If they'd have Velanna be the one in his place as the new host of Justice as they were tempted to do, then we'd probably not have nearly as much flack for her? We were already familiar with her fiery temperment, so her personality would probably not have been changed that much as a result, plus her murder-spree at the beginning of Awakening (while she was tricked into it) is why we could probably see her going all Guy Fawkes and blowing up the Chantry if she felt it had to be done?

 

But with Anders, the change from the fun-loving and flirty guy in Awakening to the tortured apostate who's possession has resulted in a supernatural equivalent of manic-depression (he has episodes of both that we see), coupled with the percieved betrayal at the end of the game, is probably the reason he's become so hated?

 

Killing Anders really doesn't work for me, because it negates the actions and role that Justice had to play in the destruction of the Chantry and the deaths of those hundreds of people, in favour of making Anders the easy scapegoat (regardless of how complicit he might have been)?

[LOLandStuff]

It'd probably be more accurate to say that it's a bit of both.

 

The Chantry itself was destroyed when it imploded, we clearly see it collapsing into itself and the red beams. The explosion came afterwards, after the energy had built up and reached critical mass, which is what ended up blasting outwards and damaging Kirkwall?

 

Yeah, it started as an implosion and ended in an explosion.

[Xilizhra]

Personally I'd go for a meeting between Cassandra and Anders. I have no doubt she wouldn't waste time talking and just run him through.

Not much point in the meeting, then. I'd prefer one where Cassandra is in the Inquisitor's party and thus can't just attack Anders without orders.

 

Imagine Leliana and Anders. The war he ignited resulted in the death of the woman she saw as friend, mother, mentor, etc. 

Leliana wants the mages to be free.

[jlb524]

Imagine Leliana and Anders. The war he ignited resulted in the death of the woman she saw as friend, mother, mentor, etc.

Why would she blame him when she doesn't seem to have any issues with Fiona?

Other than Coryphyface, the only one Leliana blames is The Maker for letting Justinia die.

[X Equestris]

Not much point in the meeting, then. I'd prefer one where Cassandra is in the Inquisitor's party and thus can't just attack Anders without orders.
 

Leliana wants the mages to be free.

Wanting mages to be free does not mean support for Anders and his actions. In fact, virtually everyone who isn't a Resolutionist disapproves of his actions.

[MisterJB]

 

Publicly, anyway.

[Master Warder Z_]

Wanting mages to be free does not mean support for Anders and his actions. In fact, virtually everyone who isn't a Resolutionist disapproves of his actions.

Well those didn't even get to see the war if you recall.

A good majority died in Kirkwall well before the rebellion began.

They died like ants beneath the jack boot of the champion.

Man I enjoyed that DLC!

[Sunnie]

 

Leliana wants the mages to be free.

Mages, yes.

Anders the abomination? He It wouldn't last 3 seconds.

[LOLandStuff]

Just because you're a mage that doesn't give you a pass.

[Xilizhra]

Mages, yes.

Anders the abomination? He It wouldn't last 3 seconds.

It's Leliana. Who else in the Inquisition is more tolerant of shady means and allies?

[The Hierophant]

A hardened Leliana would probably have Anders killed because he's an unstable nutter who'd tarnish the image of the newly free mages.

[Lethaya]

Leliana may be tolerant and want what's best for (innocent!) mages, but she was also a higher up in the Chantry. She didn't seem to be the biggest fan of the Resolutionist movement in the Circles, either, and what Anders did was more along their lines of a solution than anything I think she would have liked. And Leliana typically punishes those who deserve it over innocent bystanders when she's looking to make a point, no?

 

I think Leliana would want to see him punished no matter what, really. Hardened would kill him, yeah. Softened might want to give him a chance of redemption at best, but I still don't think she would approve of his actions?

[congokong]

Characters with such diverse fates are less likely to return in any case. Ex: The Hero of Ferelden. Hawke was brought back in DA:I because they survived in DA2 no matter what. Granted, there are exceptions, such as those who killed Leliana or didn't make Anders a Grey Warden in Awakening. Bioware only makes such retcons though when it suits their needs.

[The Baconer]

It's Leliana. Who else in the Inquisition is more tolerant of shady means and allies?

 

Probably not a guy who "helped" his fellow mages by volunteering them to painful death by Templar blades and Tranquility.