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[LOLandStuff]

The same Leliana whose advice is to cut off a bard's tongue because she was spreading false rumors.

[Master Warder Z_]

The same Leliana who's advice is to cut off a bard's tongue because she was spreading false rumors.

Demented former bards aside.

I do believe she'd do something creative with Anders.

Maybe put that abomination through a half and half.

Oh that's a execution designed to be more painful then lethal.

Like a the rather infamous Chinese thousand cuts or the Prussian water barrel.

[ShadowLordXII]

And he will be pardoned.

 

If Anders stands before my Inquisitor, he'll die.

 

And that's just for pragmatic reasons and even more PR for the Inquisition.

[Sifr]

If Anders stands before my Inquisitor, he'll die.

 

And that's just for pragmatic reasons and even more PR for the Inquisition.

 

If I could remove Justice from him, I'd spare Anders and have him serve the Inquisition as penance.

 

Justice meanwhile, will be fed back into the Fade in tiny little chunks.

[Xilizhra]

If I could remove Justice from him, I'd spare Anders and have him serve the Inquisition as penance.

 

Justice meanwhile, will be fed back into the Fade in tiny little chunks.

Justice has the right idea, he just needs to be removed from the vicinity of darkspawn taint.

[Master Warder Z_]

Truly I find that spirit insufferable.

It's arrogance is offensive.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Not that I want him gone forever from Dragon Age games if he is alive but I have to admit it was very satisfying undoing all his hopes and ensuring his self righteous suicide was in vain with my Inquisitor. Even his former friends seemed on board with it.

 

It was much better payback than in the second game where I reluctantly still gave him what he wanted.

[Kakistos_]

It was a pretty old post, from last year. And really you can't say he most likely won't return cuz you can kill him. Well alot of ppl killed Leliana and she returned and according to the Anders short story he can't be killed while possessed by Justice. Someone (forgot the characters name) sunk their sword into him hilt deep and Justice was like "really, that's all you got." Ok not exactly I was being sarcastic but yea...

Good point. I can understand being frusterating at so many characters seemingly coming back from the dead like Leliana and Oghren but Anders has a legitimate loophole, similar to how Wynne was kept alive by her own Spirit.

 

Not only do I think Anders will return, I would be extremely disapointed if he didn't. For one thing Anders is two characters in one. Anders/Justice. It is conceivible that Justice could reappear without Anders but I'm unsure if lore would permit that. Off all the characters that COULD return I think that Anders/Justice is the most likely and rewarding. Consider the many themes that could be explored in future games that tie directly to A/J:

 

1. The Spirits as a cure for Tranquility. Recall how Karl, Anders friend, was briefly cured in DA2 before reverting? Who better to spearhead this concept in future games? How could Justice and Anders not resist righting this wrong? It is said that a Tranquil can be cured my having their mind touched by a Fade Spirit via a Spirit Medium. I do not know if Anders/Justice qualify as such but thinking back to Karl this seems to be the case. Just imagine Anders/Justice rolling up in Tevinter and reversing all the Tranquil created through political strife. The Scandal!

 

2. He is a Grey Warden. And potentially a lover of Hawke(Varric says he won't stay put for long)/friend of Stroud who go to Weisshaupt in the ANDERfels. His very name suggest his time with the Grey Wardens is not over. And I strongly suspect that Ander's "friend" in Amaranthine with whom he had to leave Sir-Pounce-A-lot is non other than The Hero of Ferelden him/herself who recruited Anders and Justice and was potentially a Circle Tower mate with the former. Also Anders and Justice were both directly involved in the events surrounding The Architect, The Mother and the new enlightened Darkspawn. Whatever is going on with the Grey Wardens as of DA:I and even back to DA2 it is hard not seeing Anders/Justice becoming involved one way or another.

 

3. Expanding on Mage/Spirit unions. The union and relationship between Anders/Justice is a fascinating concept that should be expanded upon. The concept of Mage/Spirit or anyone/Spirit, i.e "Spirit Warriors" should be explored more in gereral but I would like to see how the Anders/Justice union plays out within the context of a relationship/friendship/rivalry with Hawke and others. Also the union between Wynne and her Spirit seem  to be different. Lets explore why. Further, how, why and howmuch did Justice change when he bonded with Anders? We should see this play out. Will Anders be driven mad or will Anders/Justice find balance and harmony?

 

4. Fallout from the Mage-Templar War. Anders/Justice, regardless if he/they lived or "died" at the end of DA2, are major figures in a major event in Thedas that will undoubtedly have far reaching ramifications in the story and future games. Whatever comes now of Mage-Templar-societal relations, I'm sure the transition to the various outcomes will not be completely smooth. I think Anders/Justice still has a part to play in the war they started.

 

Love them or hate them Anders/Justice, in my opinion, are way too intertwined with major events and specific characters to have them just disappear or relegated to banter. And for my part his bae Hawke and bff THOF have their back.

[Catche Jagger]

It is rather annoying that people act as though Vengence is solely responsible for Anders' actions. You do realize that Justice was corrupted by Anders' own flawed perspectives and beliefs. They are mutually at fault for those actions.

[Master Warder Z_]

o.o degenerates like him belong on a cross

[DirkJake]

Good point. I can understand being frusterating at so many characters seemingly coming back from the dead like Leliana and Oghren but Anders has a legitimate loophole, similar to how Wynne was kept alive by her own Spirit.

 

Not only do I think Anders will return, I would be extremely disapointed if he didn't. For one thing Anders is two characters in one. Anders/Justice. It is conceivible that Justice could reappear without Anders but I'm unsure if lore would permit that. Off all the characters that COULD return I think that Anders/Justice is the most likely and rewarding. Consider the many themes that could be explored in future games that tie directly to A/J:

 

1. The Spirits as a cure for Tranquility. Recall how Karl, Anders friend, was briefly cured in DA2 before reverting? Who better to spearhead this concept in future games? How could Justice and Anders not resist righting this wrong? It is said that a Tranquil can be cured my having their mind touched by a Fade Spirit via a Spirit Medium. I do not know if Anders/Justice qualify as such but thinking back to Karl this seems to be the case. Just imagine Anders/Justice rolling up in Tevinter and reversing all the Tranquil created through political strife. The Scandal!

 

2. He is a Grey Warden. And potentially a lover of Hawke(Varric says he won't stay put for long)/friend of Stroud who go to Weisshaupt in the ANDERfels. His very name suggest his time with the Grey Wardens is not over. And I strongly suspect that Ander's "friend" in Amaranthine with whom he had to leave Sir-Pounce-A-lot is non other than The Hero of Ferelden him/herself who recruited Anders and Justice and was potentially a Circle Tower mate with the former. Also Anders and Justice were both directly involved in the events surrounding The Architect, The Mother and the new enlightened Darkspawn. Whatever is going on with the Grey Wardens as of DA:I and even back to DA2 it is hard not seeing Anders/Justice becoming involved one way or another.

 

3. Expanding on Mage/Spirit unions. The union and relationship between Anders/Justice is a fascinating concept that should be expanded upon. The concept of Mage/Spirit or anyone/Spirit, i.e "Spirit Warriors" should be explored more in gereral but I would like to see how the Anders/Justice union plays out within the context of a relationship/friendship/rivalry with Hawke and others. Also the union between Wynne and her Spirit seem  to be different. Lets explore why. Further, how, why and howmuch did Justice change when he bonded with Anders? We should see this play out. Will Anders be driven mad or will Anders/Justice find balance and harmony?

 

4. Fallout from the Mage-Templar War. Anders/Justice, regardless if he/they lived or "died" at the end of DA2, are major figures in a major event in Thedas that will undoubtedly have far reaching ramifications in the story and future games. Whatever comes now of Mage-Templar-societal relations, I'm sure the transition to the various outcomes will not be completely smooth. I think Anders/Justice still has a part to play in the war they started.

 

Love them or hate them Anders/Justice, in my opinion, are way too intertwined with major events and specific characters to have them just disappear or relegated to banter. And for my part his bae Hawke and bff THOF have their back.

 

I like your reasoning. I don't think it is likely that he will be back, but I will be so happy seeing him back and getting into actions again. I could see him get involve in a few ways.

 

I don't think the DA Keep differentiates between Anders in friendship and rivalry path? Because it seems the thing he and Justice/Vengeance in each path is quite different by the end of DA2.

 

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We see that Avvar mages are possessed so that spirits could help them learn magic and then the possession is reversed afterward. Does this mean that it is possible to separate Justice from Anders?

 

 

And yes my Hawke and my Amell are totally on his side. 

[The Hierophant]

It is rather annoying that people act as though Vengence is solely responsible for Anders' actions. You do realize that Justice was corrupted by Anders' own flawed perspectives and beliefs. They are mutually at fault for those actions.

Exactly, Justice sharing the same consciousness with a guy who allowed a rage demon to possess his first cat in order to kill his templar guards, and escape was bound to corrupt it.

[Xilizhra]

It is rather annoying that people act as though Vengence is solely responsible for Anders' actions. You do realize that Justice was corrupted by Anders' own flawed perspectives and beliefs. They are mutually at fault for those actions.

I'm pretty sure Justice was corrupted by Anders' darkspawn taint.

 

 

o.o degenerates like him belong on a cross

So the historical figure you most identify with is Pontius Pilate?

[Master Warder Z_]

Pilate according to all four books of the bible that actually cover it in the new testament didn't want to crucify Jesus.

I on the other hand I have no qualm with dispensing slow execution to him if it was a proffered method.

So no.

I guess not.

[Sah291]

2. He is a Grey Warden. And potentially a lover of Hawke(Varric says he won't stay put for long)/friend of Stroud who go to Weisshaupt in the ANDERfels. His very name suggest his time with the Grey Wardens is not over. And I strongly suspect that Ander's "friend" in Amaranthine with whom he had to leave Sir-Pounce-A-lot is non other than The Hero of Ferelden him/herself who recruited Anders and Justice and was potentially a Circle Tower mate with the former. Also Anders and Justice were both directly involved in the events surrounding The Architect, The Mother and the new enlightened Darkspawn. Whatever is going on with the Grey Wardens as of DA:I and even back to DA2 it is hard not seeing Anders/Justice becoming involved one way or another.

Hmm. I think the wardens is the most plausible scenario for bringing him back, if they ever decide to. Especially if Hawke went with them to Weisshsupt. Something ugly obviously went down there, and there is a potential story waiting to be told... Plus the Wardens are more likely to accept someone like him back despite his past (they are known to burn down entire villages to fight the blight after all, and the HoF may have possibly done this themselves). Therefore they could incorporate him into the story without it seeming too unrealistic.

[Xilizhra]

Pilate according to all four books of the bible that actually cover it in the new testament didn't want to crucify Jesus.

I on the other hand I have no qualm with dispensing slow execution to him if it was a proffered method.

So no.

I guess not.

All four books are total crap in that regard, written to implicate the Jewish authorities. According to actual historical records, Pilate was a brutal oppressor who was sent to Judea specifically for his talent in putting down rebellions, and almost certainly never blinked at killing Jesus.

[Master Warder Z_]

All four books are total crap in that regard, written to implicate the Jewish authorities. According to actual historical records, Pilate was a brutal oppressor who was sent to Judea specifically for his talent in putting down rebellions, and almost certainly never blinked at killing Jesus.

That's historical conjecture dear.

There's no evidence either way.

It is what it is.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's also entirely irreverent to this zombie thread topic anyway

Seriously.

Anders? Who cares.

It's like wondering about the fate of the dog.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Mmmm, I would care more about the fate of a dog. 

[Catche Jagger]

I'm pretty sure Justice was corrupted by Anders' darkspawn taint.

That's an assumption. It's more likely Anders' character and the intentions he had when he became one with Justice, as such things were confirmed by Solas to corrupt spirits.

[The Baconer]

It's like wondering about the fate of the dog.

 

From Resident Evil 4?

[Master Warder Z_]

From Resident Evil 4?

Mhm.

He helps you and then you never see him again

[Hellion Rex]

That's an assumption. It's more likely Anders' character and the intentions he had when he became one with Justice, as such things were confirmed by Solas to corrupt spirits.

Quite. Anders did hold an unhealthy amount of rage towards the Chantry. He himself said that he was too angry.

[Xilizhra]

That's an assumption. It's more likely Anders' character and the intentions he had when he became one with Justice, as such things were confirmed by Solas to corrupt spirits.

Corypheus takes direct control of Justice, who in turn takes control of Anders, to attack Hawke in Legacy. Justice has very definitely changed to bring it more in line with the taint.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I thought that was just Justice going berserk as a way of trying to counter Corypheus whispers.