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[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Mmmm, I would care more about the fate of a dog.

Yeah, I miss Barkspawn and I'd take him over Anders any day.

[DirkJake]

Hmm. I think the wardens is the most plausible scenario for bringing him back, if they ever decide to. Especially if Hawke went with them to Weisshsupt. Something ugly obviously went down there, and there is a potential story waiting to be told... Plus the Wardens are more likely to accept someone like him back despite his past (they are known to burn down entire villages to fight the blight after all, and the HoF may have possibly done this themselves). Therefore they could incorporate him into the story without it seeming too unrealistic.

 

Yes! Hawke said he/she's heading to Weisshaupt and Varric said that Hawke's LI might join him/her. And I could really see Anders being there if he's Hawke's LI.

 

I can really see this scenario as a part of a DLC. 

[LOLandStuff]

I thought that was just Justice going berserk as a way of trying to counter Corypheus whispers.

 

Who knows what Anders felt when Corypheus took control of him and how it affected Justice to have such a major panic attack.

[Catche Jagger]

Corypheus takes direct control of Justice, who in turn takes control of Anders, to attack Hawke in Legacy. Justice has very definitely changed to bring it more in line with the taint.

That is still an assumption. It is quite possible that Vengence reacted negatively to another presence in Anders' head, causing him to snap.

[Sah291]

Yes! Hawke said he/she's heading to Weisshaupt and Varric said that Hawke's LI might join him/her. And I could really see Anders being there if he's Hawke's LI.
 
I can really see this scenario as a part of a DLC.

Or even if he isn't. Or even if Hawke is dead in the fade. They foreshadowed in Legacy how he is still a Warden, and how you can never really leave the wardens ....so not a big leap for him to show up. I can't be the only one who really wanted to follow Hawke and find out what what was going on at Weisshaupt? I like Hawke though and didn't want him to die/disappear.

[LOLandStuff]

I interpreted that as him having to answer the Calling and dying like a warden in the Deep Roads.

Just leaving the organization doesn't rid you of being one. You'll carry the whole baggage for the rest of your life.

[MisterJB]

Yes! Hawke said he/she's heading to Weisshaupt and Varric said that Hawke's LI might join him/her. And I could really see Anders being there if he's Hawke's LI.

 

I can really see this scenario as a part of a DLC. 

 

You don't think the Wardens would just execute Anders on account of being a deserter?

[Sah291]

I interpreted that as him having to answer the Calling and dying like a warden in the Deep Roads.

Just leaving the organization doesn't rid you of being one. You'll carry the whole baggage for the rest of your life.

 

Yeah it was referring to that, but I also think they would want their assets back, if possible. Especially if they are nearly wiped out, or split up into factions, as they are by the end of DAI. Anyway i'm not saying it's likely he'll return, just it's one of the more plausible ways I can think of. 

[Ariella]

"War is merely one method of diplomacy. However, it is the least efficient one." - Bismark Waldstein, Knight of One of the Holy Britannian Empire from the anime series Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. 

Which is a paraphrase of General Carl Von Clauswitz from On War.

To understand Anders a little bit better it should be remembered that the concept is inspired by Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Both in the whole dichotemy of Anders/Vengence and Angel/Angelus. considering in the end having to live with their actions in a major theme for both characters. Sometimes that's worse than dying.

Also consider what an Anders romanced Hawke says about helping circles take the final step to rebellion. And if one agrees with Anders Hawke says that he's not a monster or a hero/martyr. Or maybe he's both, but it's a lot more complex than the minstrels make it to be.

It comes down to it, Anders is the old saw about one man's freedom fighter. Yes he attacked the Grand Cleric, but considering Elithea was pretty much fiddling while Kirkwall burned. She did nothing to truly calm tentions, just put a bandage on them. And since both the Circle and the Templars are Chantry institutions, the Chantry was an understandable target.

Not saying he's right as I've never been an end justifies the means kind of person, but I understand his thinking.

On Leliana's death... there's a lot of wooj going on with her. It's not retcon as she acknowledges that she was killed iirc in dai, but doesn't know how she came back. And then there's her resistance to the Blight, noted during In Hushed Whispers. I think it is all related to Dorotea... but that's just me.

[Sah291]

Which is a paraphrase of General Carl Von Clauswitz from On War.
To understand Anders a little bit better it should be remembered that the concept is inspired by Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Both in the whole dichotemy of Anders/Vengence and Angel/Angelus. considering in the end having to live with their actions in a major theme for both characters. Sometimes that's worse than dying.
Also consider what an Anders romanced Hawke says about helping circles take the final step to rebellion. And if one agrees with Anders Hawke says that he's not a monster or a hero/martyr. Or maybe he's both, but it's a lot more complex than the minstrels make it to be.

You know, I've heard that before, but I never really followed Buffy myself, so unfortunately a lot of the Buffy references Dragon Age apparently makes goes over my head... Certainly though, we see also this theme a lot in super hero stories, anytime you have a "justice" oriented character. And even with some of Biowares other characters. Shepard him/herself has this theme going on (especially red ending Shepard). In fact maybe I enjoyed DA2 a little more having played that series first, because I saw a lot of parallels between Anders and Shepard. Both considered terrorists or freedom fighters depending who you ask. Both abominations (spirit possession/taint vs. reaper tech post Lazarus project). And romanced Hawke with Anders reminds me a lot of romanced Garrus...loving someone who is obsessively driven to a cause who is probably going to die for it. Vigilantism. Oh and (probably) daddy issues, heh.

[Master Warder Z_]

One man's freedom fighter pfft.

Justice Orientated heroes.

You know what.

My stance on that mirrors the UN.

the minute you start killing people by the hundred to achieve some special interest aim you need to eat a goddamn bullet.

Otherwise you can either do it non violently or just stop entirely.

Be a frigging adult.

[Bad King]

I disagree. Wars are ended through discussion and compromise, not oppression and violence. Same with rebellions.

 

Agreed: there are plenty of peasant revolts throughout history that were settled through a combination of:

a ). Punishing the ringleaders and/or the worst offenders in the revolts (and acquiring them by offering generous rewards to those willing to turn them in).

b ). Responding to the peasantry's grievances by enacting reforms that would improve their lives, deal with some of the problems and ensure that future rebellions wouldn't occur for the same reasons.

Rather than use such a strategy, Celene just marched in and indiscriminately killed the people of the Alienage in order to apparently appease the nobles. And she paid the price for it.

 

More on topic: regarding Anders, there's no confirmation that he won't be in later games, though I won't be shedding any tears if he isn't as I found his character to be boring and not particularly well-written. 

[Sah291]

One man's freedom fighter pfft.
Justice Orientated heroes.
You know what.
My stance on that mirrors the UN.
the minute you start killing people by the hundred to achieve some special interest aim you need to eat a goddamn bullet.
Otherwise you can either do it non violently or just stop entirely.
Be a frigging adult.

I agree. But does that also apply to the Chantry, which was threatening violent invasion (exalted March) and imprisoning people for non crimes? The game simply shows the negative cause and effect of war. The Andrastians were once ex slaves who fought for their freedom against an oppressive regime, but instead of tearing down the prison when it was over, they repurposed it to house mages. Because that fear and anger lingered. So history repeats, with mages rebelling this time. DAI touched on this theme too, when Giselle talks to you about the inquisition of old and what kind of organization you are going to build (one to destroy or save).

[Master Warder Z_]

I agree. But does that also apply to the Chantry, which was threatening violent invasion (exalted March) and imprisoning people for non crimes? The game simply shows the negative cause and effect of war. The Andrastians were once ex slaves who fought for their freedom against an oppressive regime, but instead of tearing down the prison when it was over, they repurposed it to house mages. Because that fear and anger lingered. So history repeats, with mages rebelling this time. DAI touched on this theme too, when Giselle talks to you about the inquisition of old and what kind of organization you are going to buid (one to destroy or save).

Non crimes?

Invasion, Heretical belief, Evil.

That's the lesson this generation lost somewhere.

When you are confronted by evil.

You fight it.

When those too stupid and selfish to see the common good step beyond themselves, you stop them.

It's no different.

It's vanity and pride that drive the few to declare themselves above society and it unworthy to rule them.

So no.

It isn't history repeating, it's human nature repeating.

[The Hierophant]

You don't think the Wardens would just execute Anders on account of being a deserter?

I doubt the wardens would forget that he annihilated a platoon of their men.

[The Baconer]

When those too stupid and selfish to see the common good step beyond themselves, you stop them.

It's no different.

It's vanity and pride that drive the few to declare themselves above society and it unworthy to rule them.

 

ATTN: Seekers, please take note.

[Master Warder Z_]

ATTN: Seekers, please take note.

Actually.

That's directed more towards Magisters.

The Seekers never not even on their worst day approached their evil.

[Sah291]

Non crimes?
Invasion, Heretical belief, Evil.
That's the lesson this generation lost somewhere.
When you are confronted by evil.
You fight it.
When those too stupid and selfish to see the common good step beyond themselves, you stop them.
It's no different.
It's vanity and pride that drive the few to declare themselves above society and it unworthy to rule them.
So no.
It isn't history repeating, it's human nature repeating.

Yeah heretical belief is a non crime. A thought crime. But from what I could tell, most circle mages were already Andrastian anyway, so it wasn't even really about that. It was about preemptive enforcement of crimes they MIGHT commit someday, in the future. So we are talking ~potential~ thought crimes, which is really tyrannical in the extreme, if you ask me. I agee about vanity and pride, and people setting themselves above others. I'm just not sure how you could say the Chanty wasn't doing exactly that.

[The Baconer]

Actually.

That's directed more towards Magisters.

The Seekers never not even on their worst day approached their evil.

 

It's a good enough rule to apply to everyone.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's a good enough rule to apply to everyone.

I'd agree but you specifically pointed out one organization that doesn't even hit the top five.

[The Baconer]

I'd agree but you specifically pointed out one organization that doesn't even hit the top five.

 

I pointed out an organization that had a large part in putting southern Thedas where it is right now (mid-crisis). Also why they're gone.

[Andromelek]

I doubt that we would see Anders again if the player killed him, that would be the second time that he was killed and revived, except for the Magisters and Flemeth, I think that a character's second death is permanently.

[Master Warder Z_]

I pointed out an organization that had a large part in putting southern Thedas where it is right now

Uh no.

Not even really a contributing part.

And with that I think it's time to shift this because it's obvious what your doing.

[The Baconer]

Uh no.

Not even really a contributing part.

 

That's a lack of awareness approaching Xil-criteria.

[Master Warder Z_]

That's a lack of awareness approaching Xil-criteria.

Insulting.

Untrue but insulting.