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[BronzTrooper]

Sometimes death is the only justice.

 

Well, not everyone thinks that way.

[Master Warder Z_]

A bit late for that, don't you think?

No.

Sooner or later events become just history.

You don't give future generations something to use as a rallying cry, it ends poorly.

[Lumix19]

tbf, it doesn't really matter since the 'sanctity of life' is BS anyway.  But then, people always have differing opinions, so whatever.

It's partly that but it's also about utility, like the Qunari.

What else are you going to do? He killed hundreds of people that were hardly even related to his target. Prison isn't going to phase him, especially not with Justice up in there. I'm not even sure how much "Anders" is left at the end of DA2. Killing him seems like a mercy at this point. At least it frees whatever is left from Justice/Vengeance's control.

Rehabilitate him? Help them find true justice again? I know what they've become but I remember what they were as well. His death at this point seems either out of hatred and revenge for most people or a matter of expedience for others.

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, not everyone thinks that way.

Then they need to actually see what Monsters do then.

First hand experience is enlightening.

[KaiserShep]

Trial, imprisonment, all that does is give it more attention.

A trial would be kind of unnecessary since he made no secret of his involvement. Of course, he already got attention, since everyone knows that it was a mage that did it.

In any case, Anders is also an unstable abomination. That reason alone is enough to kill him.

[Lumix19]

Sometimes death is the only justice.

That depends on your reasoning. I understand that primal and savage need for revenge, especially that born out of pain and hatred, but I won't condone it.

[Lethaya]

Rehabilitate him? Help them find true justice again? I know what they've become but I remember what they were as well. His death at this point seems either out of hatred and revenge for most people or a matter of expedience for others.

 

To be fair, I'm not sure that's really on the table anymore. Possessing Anders changed Justice, making him more into a demon of vengeance than anything else. And I don't think a deep rooted drive for vengeance can be so easily rehabilitated. xD Anders as we knew him died before DA2 even began, as did Justice. Janders is something new.

 

 

You are my new favorite person.

 

Had to be said! Okay, probably not.

[BronzTrooper]

No.

Sooner or later events become just history.

You don't give future generations something to use as a rallying cry, it ends poorly.

 

Really, it doesn't matter what happens to Anders after the Chantry 'splosion since mages and Templars alike are going to use the event as a rallying cry.  Hell, it was due to Kirkwall that the events in Asunder occurred.

 

Mages already use Hawke's actions in Kirkwall as a rallying cry, whether as proof the Templars can be defied, or as an example of the oppression of mages at the Templars hands.

[Master Warder Z_]

That depends on your reasoning. I understand that primal and savage need for revenge, especially that born out of pain and hatred, but I won't condone it.

Bahahaha!

You are actually going to do the "it's uncivilized and out of date" argument in a fictional medieval setting?

[Lumix19]

Then they need to actually see what Monsters do then.
First hand experience is enlightening.

Enlightening? It simply drives people back to their basic impulses, that's why they don't let victims sit on juries for trials.

[Master Warder Z_]

Really, it doesn't matter what happens to Anders after the Chantry

I disagree.

The impact of the rebellion has yet to truly to be felt.

Who can say what lesson a century from then could be taken from his execution?

[Lumix19]

Bahahaha!
You are actually going to do the "it's uncivilized and out of date" argument in a fictional medieval setting?

Do you live in a fictional and medieval setting?

[BronzTrooper]

It's partly that but it's also about utility, like the Qunari.


Rehabilitate him? Help them find true justice again? I know what they've become but I remember what they were as well. His death at this point seems either out of hatred and revenge for most people or a matter of expedience for others.

 

I think Lethaya is right in that Anders is beyond the point of rehabilitation.  Especially since Justice has such a powerful grip on him.

 

Then they need to actually see what Monsters do then.

First hand experience is enlightening.

 

Depends on the person, really.  There are people that won't change their mind even when they are *proved to be wrong.

 

* This seriously depends on the situation.

[Master Warder Z_]

Enlightening? It simply drives people back to their basic impulses, that's why they don't let victims sit on juries for trials.

It's enlightening.

I wish people actually could see the aftermath of a bombing before they whine about people in gitmo

[LOLandStuff]

I guess it's more civilized manipulating your friend and emotionally blackmailing your loved one, while scheming behind their back and then blowing up a building full of innocent people.

[Master Warder Z_]

Do you live in a fictional and medieval setting?

No, but this discussion is centered on one.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I hope so..and I'd rather want a dead character stay dead, but I thought BioWare is going to have Justice possess Anders's corpse in case you kill him, it'll be like Kristoff 2.0.

Eh, even if that is the case I'm am sure we will get the pleasure of disposing of him once again.

Though, if he comes back with plot armour I think I might develop an eye twitch.

[BronzTrooper]

I disagree.

The impact of the rebellion has yet to truly to be felt.

Who can say what lesson a century from then could be taken from his execution?

 

Who can say that anyone will feel 'inspired' by something that happened centuries ago and has no relevance to their time-period?

 

Really, no matter who you choose as Divine, mages are better off post-DA:I than they were pre-Asunder.  How much so depends on who the Divine is.

[Master Warder Z_]

Depends on the person, really. There are people that won't change their mind even when they are *proved to be wrong.

* This seriously depends on the situation.

If they want to ignore the evidence then the fault is on them.

[BronzTrooper]

If they want to ignore the evidence then the fault is on them.

 

And if you don't bother to understand other people's opinions, that's on you.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Honestly, even if Anders was given a "fair" sentencing for his admitted crimes he'd still end up with a bad case of head displacement no matter what. He's either going to be judged by the Chantry or Kirkwall, and both of those parties are going to want him dead, no doubt. 

 

Be it for justice or revenge, Anders is a dead man. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Who can say that anyone will feel 'inspired' by something that happened centuries ago and has no relevance to their time-period?

Because history is filled with it.

From Mussolini being inspired by the ancient tales and history of Rome and wanting to recreate the Italian dominance of the Agean to Guy Fawkes being a key figure cited by the populist revolts two centuries after his death.

History doesn't stop and reaction to it doesn't stop.

[Lumix19]

I think Lethaya is right in that Anders is beyond the point of rehabilitation.  Especially since Justice has such a powerful grip on him.
 

 
Depends on the person, really.  There are people that won't change their mind even when they are *proved to be wrong.
 
* This seriously depends on the situation.

Justice is not the sole cause of this, it's Ander's anger combined with Justice's zealotry that created Vengeance. But Justice was once a decent spirit just as Anders used to be a different person.

It's enlightening.
I wish people actually could see the aftermath of a bombing before they whine about people in gitmo

To find the ideal you must seek the ideal. Or you can debase yourself in pain and terror and call it all that reality has to offer.

No, but this discussion is centered on one.

And that means I can't judge as a modern person because....? Unless you mean I should look at it from an RP perspective?

[thats1evildude]

I hope to see zombie Anders, so I can kill him twice.

 

But yeah, he's probably not coming back.

[KCMeredith]

And I would kill him again as soon as I see him.