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How are you able to get that 3rd option during that argument that Miranda and Jack have so that they both stay loyal to you? I have played the game about 3 times at separate occasions and i was only able to achieve the neutral option once.

 

I know it has to do with high Paragon, and whenever i played the game, i would make sure that i would try to do most of the side missions first and try to recruit Jack last so that my Paragon level is maxed out, yet, for the past two times when i came upon this scenario, i'am always faced with the options to either agree with Jack or the other option in which to agree with Miranda.

 

Could it be that your background affects this decision as well? I know in the beginning of the game it asks for you to pick a specific background. Maybe choosing the military background as opposed to having the one where you grew up on the streets will fall towards Sheperd having a more intellectually sound background and actually affect that particular conversation bewteen Miranda and Jack...idk

 

Thoughts or solutions to this problem? I really want to save both of them as i would really like to see Jack in my ME3 playthrough....so far i have only seen Miranda's story in ME3 but again i would have love to have been able to see Jack again if i can just save her and keep her loyal in ME2 

 



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I will give you the basics, but I would also suggest checking out this thread: http://forum.bioware...confrontations/

 

For the loyalty confrontations between Jack/Miranda, and Tali/Legion, it is easier to pass the Jack/Miranda persuade check with the renegade option, and the Tali/Legion persuade check with the paragon option. My guess is you are  playing a mostly paragon game and therefore are finding it difficult to pass the Jack/Miranda persuade check.

 

How does the persuade system work? Every time you go on a mission, or go to a new area like the Citadel or Omega, there are a certain number of morality points available that can be earned. Let's say you visit Omega. You can talk with Aria and earn morality points. You can talk with the Batarian bartender and earn morality points. You can talk with Kenn and earn morality points. Etc. Add all of these different opportunities together and you come up with the total number of morality points you could earn in this area you just visited.

 

For the Omega example, let's say there were 200 paragon points possible to earn and 150 renegade points possible to earn. Omega is your first port of call, you have not visited anywhere else or done any missions. When you visit you talk to some people, but not everyone (maybe you didn't realize they were there). Through your dialogue choices you earn 125 paragon points, 25 renegade points, and you were neutral on some responses and so didn't earn some 25 morality points when you could have. You also forgot to talk to two people (say Captain Gavorn and the Batarian bartender) and so missed out on earning another 25 morality points.

 

Your paragon percentage in the above example is 62.5% (you earned 125 paragon points out of a possible 200), and your renegade percentage is 16.666% (25 out of 150 possible).

 

When you get to a persuade check the game makes each persuade check require a certain percent to pass it with a paragon option, and a certain percent with with the renegade option. Let's take the Jack/Miranda dispute and use some make up numbers as an example. It is easier to pass this persuade check with the renegade option than with the paragon option. So let's say the renegade percent needed is 30% and the paragon percent needed is 80%.  Since your paragon percent is 62.5% and you renegade percent is 16.666%, you will not be able to pass this persuade check with either option. If, instead you had earned 160 paragon points, you paragon percentage would have been 80% and you could have passed the persuade check.

 

So, the first thing you need to know is that the game is trying to force you to be all paragon, all the time, or all renegade, all the time.

 

Second, if you use an import from Mass Effect 1, you can import up to 190 paragon points, and 190 renegade points.

 

Let's use an example where you imported 190 paragon points, and 100 renegade points and made all the same dialogue choices as above. In that case, you would have 125+190=315 paragon points, and 25+100=125 renegade points. Your paragon percent is 157.5%, and your renegade percent is 83.333%. Since 157.5% is greater than the 80% needed to pass that paragon level needed you will have that option available. And, since 83.333% is greater than 30% needed, you will also have the renegade option available.

 

Therefore: it is considerably easier to pass persuade checks if 1) you import a lot of morality points from Mass Effect 1, and 2) if you get to the difficult persuade checks early. The second point is because as you open up each new area and run each new mission, the total number of paragon and renegade points available keeps growing, while you may miss some of them, and so your percentage of the possible score keeps decreasing.

 

So, for the Jack/Miranda dispute, if you wish to pass it with the paragon option, are: 1) import a lot of paragon points from ME1, 2) do both Jack's and Miranda's missions as soon as they are available, 3) make sure you are not skipping out on opportunities to earn morality points (missing people to talk to, including the crew or going neutral), and 4)  always pick the paragon option when talking to people.

 

This advice is overstating things somewhat. I am often able to get both the paragon and renegade options in the Jack/Miranda dispute because most of my Shepard's are about 50/50 paragon/renegade. But I make sure I am importing the maximum number of morality points from ME1 (both paragon and renegade).


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What I usually do is after Horizon, I do Miranda's loyalty mission and then do Jack's loyalty mission right after that, if I want to do their loyalty missions. When I encounter them in MIranda's office, I have both renegade and paragon dialogue to keep both loyal. 

 

I have in one playthrough did do Miranda's loyalty mission after Horizon and Jacks late in the game and wasn't able to keep both loyal. It was one or the other.



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The short explanation: Just don't wait too long. Paragon/Renegade checks become more demanding the longer the game goes on. It works on some ratio of your bar and at what point in the game you're at.



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One question guys. Does it have dire consequences if either Miranda or Jack lost their loyalty at some point in the game?

Currently just started ME2 and I gotta say I really am loving it.
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One question guys. Does it have dire consequences if either Miranda or Jack lost their loyalty at some point in the game?

Currently just started ME2 and I gotta say I really am loving it.

Yes. If not loyal, that character can die on the suicide mission



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Yes. If not loyal, that character can die on the suicide mission


Ah crap. Thanks :-) I dont know what that suicide mission yet, but it's possible to save all of them?

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Ah crap. Thanks :-) I dont know what that suicide mission yet, but it's possible to save all of them?

Yes :) Suicide Mission is the main goal of the game. Make good choices and everyone will survive ;)


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Ah crap. Thanks :-) I dont know what that suicide mission yet, but it's possible to save all of them?

It is. This will help. If you have questions about that mission, you can ask in that thread and someone can help answer whatever question you may have


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i tried 3 gameplays before i could get miranda