With this new game ban system, developers with their game on Steam have the right to ban people from playing the game tied to their account. After the paid mods fiasco Valve is really on a roll now.
http://steamcommunit...s/WhatIsGameBan
http://www.vg247.com...e-who-to-block/
https://archive.is/MTkdm
Valve screws up again. Developers now allowed to ban Steam users from playing their games.
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, avril 30 2015 09:48
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:00
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I'm not as against this as I was from the paid mods debacle but as-is, this is still disastrous policy.
"Disruptive" is such a weasel word and needs to be defined. By taking Steam (a third party) out of the equation, shifty developers could abuse this feature to suppress dissent and negative commentary on their games. Hell, it isn't even defined whether it's only in-game actions that lead to bans. No one should ever have to stop themselves from posting criticism on a forum because they risk losing access to their games.
I see this as similar to YouTube's DMCA takedown policy. All too easy to exploit.
Valve is just leaping from fumble to fumble. I want off this ride, Mr. Bones.
"Disruptive" is such a weasel word and needs to be defined. By taking Steam (a third party) out of the equation, shifty developers could abuse this feature to suppress dissent and negative commentary on their games. Hell, it isn't even defined whether it's only in-game actions that lead to bans. No one should ever have to stop themselves from posting criticism on a forum because they risk losing access to their games.
I see this as similar to YouTube's DMCA takedown policy. All too easy to exploit.
Valve is just leaping from fumble to fumble. I want off this ride, Mr. Bones.
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:14
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I don't think the players should be banned permanently.
Also, take note of the description. It looks more like ab extended API feature that allows games to implement their own policing rather. Which means it will be targeting behavior rather than single accounts. Quite different from a forum style ban.
Thus is a bad idea btw. Just to show that steam has turned into Games as a service.
Also, take note of the description. It looks more like ab extended API feature that allows games to implement their own policing rather. Which means it will be targeting behavior rather than single accounts. Quite different from a forum style ban.
Thus is a bad idea btw. Just to show that steam has turned into Games as a service.
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:18
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I swear the paid mods scheme was done to make this look better by comparison. Damn Valve not even EA is that evil... and they eat children.
At least Origin allows you to play some games without having to log into it at all...
As for the topic, while this COULD be useful, it is a horrid policy that is ripe for abuse (and when it comes to angry developers it's all but guaranteed).
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:21
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:24
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At least Origin allows you to play some games without having to log into it at all...
As for the topic, while this COULD be useful, it is a horrid policy that is ripe for abuse (and when it comes to angry developers it's all but guaranteed).
I can understand multiplayer bans. Though I think Valve should check each individual ban from the developer before applying it, especially when you have massive c**** for developers.
I don't like this mechanic. BANNED! YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A HATE AGENDA!
I found a bug. BANNED! MY GAME IS BUG FREE!
BANNED! YOU KILLED ME IN COD!
Yah we know. We no longer care that much anymore.
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:25
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Yah we know. We no longer care that much anymore.
Until the next TES/Fallout (bug-ridden) game... 
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:25
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you know most of the time developers ban people from forums (silly thing), but not from the game. for obvious reasons.
it doesn't make sense to ban people who bought your game, unless they really harass other players one way or another.
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:28
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I can understand multiplayer bans. Though I think Valve should check each individual ban from the developer before applying it, especially when you have massive c**** for developers.
I don't like this mechanic. BANNED! YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A HATE AGENDA!
I found a bug. BANNED! MY GAME IS BUG FREE!
BANNED! YOU KILLED ME IN COD!
Now here is the part. I think the ban implementation are based on behavioral patterns in the game but the ban itself is given to the account. Looking at the description, the implementation of policing systems gives me the impression that it is less of "troll! Here is a ban!" but more of "hex change of attributes, here is a ban to the account that did this."
Now, that itself could get reaaaaaaaally ugly
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:29
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I don't see the problem. Stop being a *bleep* and this will never happen to you.
No one's going to ban you for finding a bug. Holy *bleep*. Paranoia to the max.
No one's going to ban you for finding a bug. Holy *bleep*. Paranoia to the max.
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:32
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I don't like this mechanic. BANNED! YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A HATE AGENDA!
and this could be the case. abusephobia is a very common disease developers have these days.
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:32
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I don't see the problem. Stop being a *bleep* and this will never happen to you.No one's going to ban you for finding a bug. Holy *bleep*. Paranoia to the max.
Nope, but they could ban you for modifying the source code. Which might be even implemented for products that don't want the users to mod.
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:33
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it doesn't make sense to ban people who bought your game, unless they really harass other players one way or another.
Admittedly I can't imagine any AAA developer doing that, but you underestimate how petty and batshit insane certain indie developers can be.
There's the Bloodbath: Kavkaz developer who flew into a rage banned people for even mentioning Hotline: Miami on his forums since his game was an obvious derivative.
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:33
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I don't see the problem. Stop being a *bleep* and this will never happen to you.
No one's going to ban you for finding a bug. Holy *bleep*. Paranoia to the max.
Aww... you think devs can't be complete douches. Take a look at the dev for Titan Souls that had it out for Totalbiscuit.
Now here is the part. I think the ban implementation are based on behavioral patterns in the game but the ban itself is given to the account. Looking at the description, the implementation of policing systems gives me the impression that it is less of "troll! Here is a ban!" but more of "hex change of attributes, here is a ban to the account that did this."
Now, that itself could get reaaaaaaaally ugly
It does say that the dev themself is going to be making that check and Valve is just going to sit back and just hit accept.
Hopefully I'm wrong, because if I'm not... this won't end well.
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:34
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Admittedly I can't imagine any AAA developer doing that, but you underestimate how petty and batshit insane certain indie developers can be.
There's the Bloodbath: Kavkaz developer who flew into a rage banned people for even mentioning Hotline: Miami on his forums since his game was an obvious derivative.
I had a read through of that.
You got banned at one point for mentioning MS paint... think about that for a minute. Done? Yeah...
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:35
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Aww... you think devs can't be complete douches. Take a look at the dev for Titan Souls that had it out for Totalbiscuit.
It does say that the dev themself is going to be making that check and Valve is just going to sit back and just hit accept.
Hopefully I'm wrong, because if I'm not... this won't end well.
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:35
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Until the next TES/Fallout (bug-ridden) game...
Yeah... but we've got more important things... achievements, Funding Kitchen Simulator: Rule with an Iron Slap Edition. etc
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:37
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Nope, but they could ban you for modifying the source code. Which might be even implemented for products that don't want the users to mod.
Again, don't see the problem. If they don't want their game modded, don't mod it.
Besides, if devs do go all apeshit and start banning people left and right, that'll be the end of the developper.
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:38
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What happens if you criticize a game in forums and the devs don't like that?
BAN!!!!!
I wonder how Rockstar feel about the frozen mods for GTA?
There's videos of Anna and Elsa in GTA IV and 5
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:38
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Yeah... but we've got more important things... achievements, Funding Kitchen Simulator: Rule with an Iron Slap Edition. etc
If people weren't so easy to distract industrial psychologists (in marketing specifically) would be out of a job.
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:40
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I had a read through of that.
You got banned at one point for mentioning MS paint... think about that for a minute. Done? Yeah...
"I'm a huge fan of Hotline Miami, so I was interested in this game and I wanted to post a drawing I made in MS-Paint that shows my appreciation for the developer!"
"DON'T USE MY TRIGGER WORDS! DING DONG BANNU!"
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Posté 30 avril 2015 - 10:40
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Again, don't see the problem. If they don't want their game modded, don't mod it.
Besides, if devs do go all apeshit and start banning people left and right, that'll be the end of the developper.
Not really... Hotline Miami-Kavkaz-Ms-paint-seizure-inducer-game dev banned a bunch of people from his forums just because they were calling him out on his shoddy business practices.
I think he's still around.
