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[Cyonan]

As I understand it, abuses of Youtube's copyright system applies specifically to content; users who post no content are not censored.

So it's not quite the same, but I understand your point. If developers abuse the system to punish online players they don't like for petty reasons, we need to hold them accountable to their actions, now that we know a greater share of responsibility for our customer satisfaction hangs upon them.

So in that sense, this system does one thing right; it removes ambiguity about who we should start a torches and pitchforks mob against when our customer service expectations are not being fulfilled.

 

Well, the problem with YouTube is that they employ a "shoot first, ask if they were innocent later" tactic. Users can post a review of a game, and the developer can have it taken down on "copyright" claims.

 

Call me cynical but with Valve's history this seems like it's going to be a "shoot first, don't ask questions later" style of doing things.

 

To be fair, we knew who to aim the pitchforks at before as well. This just takes some of the pressure off Valve =P

[AlanC9]

IF a dev abused this power I'd blame the dev. I wouldn't blame Valve for letting them do it.

[spinachdiaper]

Valve is looking more and more like Activision and EA in business practices every day

[Milan92]

IF a dev abused this power I'd blame the dev. I wouldn't blame Valve for letting them do it.

 

I'd blame Valve for coming up with this idea in the first place.

 

Always blame Valve.

[MrFob]

Wow, why is valve getting involved in this at all? he way I see it, this is only an issue for multiplayer. So if something happens there, why doesn't the developer/publisher just ban that person from access to the servers, like it used to be? Why exactly does Steam have to get involved at all? I really don't get it, i makes no sense at all.

 

 

I didn't have anything against the option for paid mods (and though the community outrage was completely over the top and irrational) but this new policy makes no sense whatsoever.

[MrFob]

Oh, really? Ok, I didn't know that. Well, that makes things more complicated of course. Still, I agree,  at least Valve should have to check if the accusations by developers are true before enforcing a ban. If they cannot do that, because of technical or manpower reasons, than they shouldn't provide the service.

[The Devlish Redhead]

Well, the problem with YouTube is that they employ a "shoot first, ask if they were innocent later" tactic. Users can post a review of a game, and the developer can have it taken down on "copyright" claims.

 

That even extends to let's play videos or walkthroughs. People have had videos taken down for doing whole levels as "copyright violations" because they didn't blank out the background music in the game.  That in itself is totally messed up. Why isn't that problem looked at?

[The Devlish Redhead]

Priorities. The copyright takedown system is designed first and foremost to placate copyright holders and ward off lawsuits. Everything else is secondary. Abuse of the system is therefore difficult to prevent, because it is designed to prevent lawsuits first, ask questions later.

 

How would posting a game play bring out a lawsuit?

[AWTEW]

And Steam is now worse, than origin..

[Dermain]

And Steam is now worse, than origin..

 

Welcome to three years ago... 

[The Devlish Redhead]

I think Google's attitude is; "don't know, don't care." It's very much a preemptive measure, just in case the copyright holder actually does have a case to sue. They host millions of videos, they can't afford to micro-manage.

 

I don't know Google makes a millions upon millions of dollars a year and most of that isn't taxed so they could afford to a little micro managing.

 

Youtube has gone to poop for the most part.  Thank the maker for ad blockers. 

[The Devlish Redhead]

They get many thousands of uploads each day, which they have to somehow censor for copyright infringements, abuses, and inappropriate and offensive content. They have a lot on their plate, and speed is the highest priority. They start micro-managing, they slow down. They slow down too much, the whole system grinds to a halt. They stop for too long, they get sued.

 

Sued by who? Angry netheads?

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

With this new game ban system, developers with their game on Steam have the right to ban people from playing the game tied to their account. After the paid mods fiasco Valve is really on a roll now.

http://steamcommunit...s/WhatIsGameBan

http://www.vg247.com...e-who-to-block/
https://archive.is/MTkdm

there are good and bad in this.

 

1, if youre playing something like Dota or counterstrike, a permaban is a good way to cull the cheater population. But if youre playing something like H1Z1 and you wrote a negative review about the game then the devs ban you, obviously theres some abuse there.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Sued by who? Angry netheads?

 

Sued by any big organization with a youtube page ((pretty much all of them at this point)) or anyone who makes any sort of money or living doing youtube videos ((called youtubers)), for the same thing, an interruption in their main means of marketing and advertising that cost them X amount of dollars in revenue. And honestly, it isn't like there wouldn't be a case there, or that it wouldn't affect a lot of different entities which could spell class action lawsuit.

 

Basically its like someone putting a barricade in the middle of the freeway, and stopping all traffic. All those folks who missed work, got fired, and all those companies who lost money from their employees showing up late, would sue whoever put up that barricade, especially if the reason was "a maintenance hitch".

[Handsome Jack]

Steam allows devs to ban players from their forums for criticizing said games. Steam allows Tripwire to permanently ban anyone who says anything remotely rude, insulting, harassive, or bigoted on any server, public or private. Now Steam's allowing devs to outright ban any and everyone, whomever they are, for any reason or no reason at all, purely on developer discretion.

 

If Orwell was a gamer, he would have a heart attack.

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

Steam allows devs to ban players from their forums for criticizing said games. Steam allows Tripwire to permanently ban anyone who says anything remotely rude, insulting, harassive, or bigoted on any server, public or private. Now Steam's allowing devs to outright ban any and everyone, whomever they are, for any reason or no reason at all, purely on developer discretion.

 

If Orwell was a gamer, he would have a heart attack.

if they are going to ban people for rating their games, then why bother letting people review their games? there might as well be an Entitlement tax where they have to check your colon everytime you buy a game on Steam before youre allowed to play it.

[SnakeCode]

David Gallant is going to have a field day with this. Not that anyone wants to play his crappy "game" anyway.