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[TheKomandorShepard]

No, because your post said they have the same skillsets, whereas I've been saying that we've seen no evidence for it... at least not yet?

Except link i gave you ,that one what shows same skillset for person that was learning AW specialization...

 

 

Of course for all we know there could have also been different schools of acrane warriors amoungst the ancient elves just as there were different schools of medival to early modern european fighting stiyles, with the english style being about defense and counters while the german school was about offenense and speical techinques, the italian school focused on footwork and speical techinques etc.

 

That is actually not bad idea ,and is in realms possibility .Of course current situation is retcon and that would be only excuse for devs to patch this hole to not be retcon ,but i prefer that than current situation.

[IanPolaris]

Actually I would say that we have evidence that the templars went to great length in Ferelden to keep them from learning any martial skills. 

 

The Circle and Templars in Fereldan were far and away the most liberal in Thedas when it comes to mage rights and respecting mages.  I don't think it's a far cry to assume that if the Templars stomped out martial training for mages in Fereldan (and the one that did it was a respected Senior Enchanter), then they would have done so all over Thedas.  Thus IMHO it's a retcon in spirit if perhaps not in technical fact.

[Sifr]

Except link i gave you ,that one what shows same skillset for person that was learning AW specialization...

 

But you keep ignoring the big difference, that Cillian isn't an Arcane Warrior. He's just a modern elf that's aping what he thinks the Arcane Warriors were like, when what he's doing is more akin to a Knight Enchanter than anything else? Saying that he's an actual Arcane Warrior because he calls himself one, doesn't mean that what he's doing actually is accurate?

 

It's like the Dalish marking themselves with vallaslin thinking that it was a way of honouring the Gods in the Ancient Elven Empire, but in reality, they were actually slave markings, which slave owners would mark slaves with the symbols of their patron God. What the Dalish thought they meant and what they actually meant were two very different things.

 

Just because someone has a plastic Fireman's hat and throws a bucket of water on a fire, doesn't make them an actual Fireman?

[TheKomandorShepard]

But you keep ignoring the big difference, that Cillian isn't an Arcane Warrior. He's just a modern elf that's aping what he thinks the Arcane Warriors were like, when what he's doing is more akin to a Knight Enchanter than anything else? Saying that he's an actual Arcane Warrior because he calls himself one, doesn't mean that what he's doing actually is accurate?

 

It's like the Dalish marking themselves with vallaslin thinking that it was a way of honouring the Gods in the Ancient Elven Empire, but in reality, they were actually slave markings, which slave owners would mark slaves with the symbols of their patron God. What the Dalish thought they meant and what they actually meant were two very different things.

 

Just because someone has a plastic Fireman's hat and throws a bucket of water on a fire, doesn't make them an actual Fireman?

And here we go we are back to post 43 where you have response on that.

 

Sorry but i i don't answer same things over and over anymore ,so i will send to post where you have answer.

[Sifr]

And here we go we are back to post 43 where you have response on that.

 

Sorry but i i don't answer same things over and over anymore ,so i will send to post where you have answer.

 

But that post contradicts itself within the same sentence, as you agreed that the two specs consists of different fighting styles, but still insisted that they have the same skillsets? Do you see nothing nonsensical and confusing about that statement?

 

If you meant that they are similar, but not the same, then I completely agree with you. But the way you phrased it made it seem as if you were suggesting that they are different fighting styles but that Arcane Warriors have been definitively retconned to have always had those same abilities.

 

So far, we've had no word whether or not this is an actual retcon or that KE are as Solas suggests, a derived school with little quirks and abilities unique to it that the AW's lack?

 

After all, no-one is suggesting that Knight-Enchanters are retconned Battlemages from Awakening, despite having the similar overall description as being mages who fight alongside warrior allies as frontline combatants? They're distinct, but similar, schools of magic in their own right?

[TheKomandorShepard]

But that post contradicts itself within the same sentence, as you agreed that the two specs consists of different fighting styles, but still insisted that they have the same skillsets? Do you see nothing nonsensical and confusing about that statement?

Damn, you people should learn how to read and think logically... That i said dao AW and dai AW/KC are 2 different fighting styles  doesn't contradict in any way my previous comment that it was retconed ,and Dai AW is the same thing that KC is and both have exactly the same skillset ,thus arcane warrior isn't what it was in dao and works exactly like KC...

 

Rest i won't answer because i replied on this in my post ,that post i send you to twice...

[Sifr]

Damn, you people should learn how to read and think logically... That i said dao AW and dai AW/KC are 2 different fighting styles  don't don't contradicts in any way my previous comment that it was retconed ,and Dai AW is the same thing that KC is and both have exactly same skillset ,thus arcane warrior isn't what it was in dao and works exactly like KC...

 

Rest i won't answer because i replied on this in my post ,that post i send you twice...

 

We can read and think logically, it's just that what you're saying makes absolutely no sense and still doesn't.

 

What I've been saying (and you've been ignoring) is that all evidence from the games show that it's not a retcon, but that Arcane Warrior, Knight Enchanter and Battlemages are completely seperate schools of magic, that have merely have inspired and influenced each other, much like various painters are inspired by earlier artists, but have their own styles and ways of expressing themselves on a canvas?

[TheKomandorShepard]

We can read and think logically, it's just that what you're saying makes absolutely no sense and still doesn't.

 

What I've been saying and you've been ignoring is that all evidence from the games show that it's not a retcon, but that Arcane Warrior, Knight Enchanter and Battlemages are completely seperate schools of magic, that have merely have inspired and influenced each other, much like various painters are inspired by earlier artists, but have their own styles and ways of expressing themselves on a canvas?

No you can't , this is utterly ridiculous that i have to explain you basic logic.

 

No, that i have said that Knight Enchanter and Arcane Warrior in dragon age inquisition have the same skillset ,doesn't contradict in any way my statement that Dragon Age origins Arcane Warrior and Dragon age inquisition Arcane Warrior are 2 completely different fighting styles. 

 

If you can't comprehend something that simple i don't think there is point in further discussion.

[Sifr]

No you can't , this is utterly ridiculous that i have to explain basic logic to you.

 

No, that i have said that Knight Enchanter and Arcane Warrior in dragon age inquisition have the same skillset ,doesn't contradict in any way my statement that Dragon Age origins Arcane Warrior and Dragon age inquisition Arcane Warrior are 2 completely different fighting styles. 

 

If you can't comprehend something that simple i don't think there is point in further discussion.

 

No, I understand logic, what you said is a mixture of logical fallacy and Insane Troll Logic. Must I be forced to dust off the Princess Bride quote again?

 

 

I think I've explained ad nauseum how and why the two are totally different, but similar schools of magic and why this does not consistitute a retcon, since we've seen no evidence in the lore that the Arcane Warriors did indeed use the skills of a Knight-Enchanter.

 

As I said before, Just because Cillian is labelled as an Arcane Warrior is in no way proof that he qualifies as one, since Bull is labelled as a Reaver and Cassandra is specced as Templar, when the latter two clearly admit that they are not either of those things and that their abilites are similar, but seperate from both. Bull didn't drink dragon's blood, nor does Cass take Lyrium... and as his description tells us, Cillian is self-taught and the Arcane Warrior spec has been forgotten to the Dalish.

 

It's really not that hard to grasp, you're argument is predicated on the assumption that this is a retcon, but I think this threads provided enough explanations from various people that show that that might not be the case and that the existence of the Knight Enchanters does not alter any of the pre-established lore in the series, nor does it alter anything about the Arcane Warriors (or their abilities) from the first game?

[TheKomandorShepard]

...

 

  im done with you, i have literally pointed your logical fallacy that claimed that shomehow things don't contradict each other in fact contradict each other , and yet you have guts to accuse me of insane troll logic and logical fallacy .

 

Not mention you go back and forward with something that i have already replied to ,and 3 posts that send you to that post didn't work .

[Sifr]

  im done with you, i have literally pointed your logical fallacy that claimed that shomehow things don't contradict each other in fact contradict each other , and yet you have guts to accuse me of insane troll logic and logical fallacy .

 

Not mention you go back and forward with something that i have already replied to ,and 3 posts that send you that post didn't work .

 

Then kindly explain the logical fallacy and contradictions for once, instead of claiming that people "don't get it" and pointing to that same nonsensical post once more? If you have irrefutable evidence that the Arcane Warriors are now using the same skills as the Knight Enchanter, please enlighten us?

 

As for my position, it's not going back and forth, I'm demonstrating how rational thinking and theories work?

 

When making an informed decision, one creates a hypothesis and theory based on the evidence that has been provided. If parts of that theory are later proven to be wrong or incorrect, then you admend the theory to fit the facts and create a new hypothesis, based on what the new evidence?

 

If the developers confirm that the Arcane Warriors had the same skillset as the Knight Enchanters, then I'll concede my point and change my theory.

 

I'd politely request that you perhaps consider that maybe consider that other people's theories or opinions that differ might have some validity of their own, instead of simply entrenching yourself in a position and refusing to budge, despite numerous attempts from a variety of people (not just myself) to show you evidence to the contrary?

 

No-one is arguing with you because we think we're right, we just want you to perhaps entertain the possibility that you might be wrong, or capable of being just as wrong as we are from time to time?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Then kindly explain the logical fallacy and contradictions for once, instead of claiming that people "don't get it" and pointing to that same nonsensical post once more? If you have irrefutable evidence that the Arcane Warriors are now using the same skills as the Knight Enchanter, please enlighten us?

Sorry but do you suffer some special "issues"?

Because this either trolling or well some special conditions.

"Then kindly explain the logical fallacy and contradictions for once"

 

this are my previous posts on the same page we are currently.

 

That i said dao AW and dai AW/KC are 2 different fighting styles  doesn't contradict in any way my previous comment that it was retconed ,and Dai AW is the same thing that KC is and both have exactly the same skillset ,thus arcane warrior isn't what it was in dao and works exactly like KC...

 

 

 

 

 

No, that i have said that Knight Enchanter and Arcane Warrior in dragon age inquisition have the same skillset ,doesn't contradict in any way my statement that Dragon Age origins Arcane Warrior and Dragon age inquisition Arcane Warrior are 2 completely different fighting styles. 

 

 

 

You demand explanation (that is above) but now explain please how those 2 statements contradict each other:

 

a)Arcane Warrior in dragon age origins is different than Arcane warrior in Dragon age Inquisition.

b)Arance Warrior in dragon age inquisition (not origins) have same skillset that Knight Enchanter.

 

Im waiting.

[Lady Artifice]

Don't bother, Sifr.

As he said, he's right and everyone else is wrong. Always. We are mere mortals lost adrift in the sea of his infinite wisdom.

His grasp of logic is simply too incomparable to compete with.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Don't bother, Sifr.

As he said, he's right and everyone else is wrong. Always. We are mere mortals lost adrift in the sea of his infinite wisdom.

His grasp of logic is simply too incomparable to compete with.

Oh, then perhaps you will explain how those both statements contradict each other?

 

Im eagerly awaiting your explanation ,because if somehow you will explain that (and i expect logical explanation) i will admit you are right.

 

Otherwise you are just another screamer with "tks is evil because he is evil".   

[Sifr]

Sorry but do you suffer some special "issues"?

Because this either trolling or well some special conditions.

"Then kindly explain the logical fallacy and contradictions for once"

 

this are my previous posts on the same page we are currently.

 

Actually yes... it's symptoms include extreme disdain for bad spelling, punctuation, awful grammar and few capitalisations, as well as intolerance for rudeness. Strangely, while I suffer in silence, I do not believe that I am the only one who has this malady on the boards?

 

 

 

You demand explanation (that is above) but now explain please how those 2 statements contradict each other:

 

a)Arcane Warrior in dragon age origins is different than Arcane warrior in Dragon age Inquisition.

b)Arance Warrior in dragon age inquisition (not origins) have same skillset that Knight Enchanter.

 

Im waiting.

 

Okay, so what you're saying is;

 

An Arcane Warrior in Origins, is different from an "Arcane Warrior" in Inquisition. And an "Arcane Warrior" in Inquisition, which is called a Knight Enchanter (not an Arcane Warrior) has the same skillset as a Knight Enchanter?

 

Meaning that Knight Enchanters have the same skills as Knight Enchanters?

 

Huh, did anyone else not know that?

 

[raging_monkey]

I'm confused now.lol

[TheKomandorShepard]

Actually yes... it's symptoms include extreme disdain for bad spelling, punctuation, awful grammar and few capitalisations, as well as intolerance for rudeness. Strangely, while I suffer in silence, I do not believe that I am the only one who has this malady on the boards?

 

 

 

 

Okay, so what you're saying is;

 

An Arcane Warrior in Origins, is different from an "Arcane Warrior" in Inquisition. And an "Arcane Warrior" in Inquisition, which is called a Knight Enchanter (not an Arcane Warrior) has the same skillset as a Knight Enchanter?

 

Meaning that Knight Enchanters have the same skills as Knight Enchanters?

 

Huh, did anyone else not know that?

 

1.Nah that worse than that as you can't comprehend very simple things.

 

2. Yes and no

"An Arcane Warrior in Origins, is different from an "Arcane Warrior" in Inquisition." Correct

 

"And an "Arcane Warrior" in Inquisition, which is called a Knight Enchanter (not an Arcane Warrior) has the same skillset as a Knight Enchanter?"

 

a)It isn't called Knight Enchanter , it is called Arcane Warrior and yes it have same skillset that KC , if he was KC and Arcane warrior would be something different he would be called Knight Enchanter ,not to mention description of that character (and many other things that i pointed in you know which post).  

b)And yet you didn't explain how they contradict  each other, lets even assume your version that you said above is in case ,still they don't contradict each other. 

[Sifr]

I'm confused now.lol

 

If A does not have the same name, abilities or fighting style as B, then is it somehow still B?

 

I respectfully disagree with that assessment, suggesting that A and B, while similar, are different enough to be considered two seperate things.

 

TKS, somewhat less respectfully, takes umbrage with that.

 

 

a)It isn't called Knight Enchanter , it is called Arcane Warrior and yes it have same skillset that KC , if he was KC and Arcane warrior would be something different he would be called Knight Enchanter ,not to mention description of that character (and many other things that i pointed in you know which post).  

b)And yet you didn't explain how they contradict  each other, lets even assume your version that you said above is in case ,still they don't contradict each other. 

 

What in Andraste's frilly knickers are you on about?

 

At no point in the entire game is a Knight Enchanter called an Arcane Warrior by anyone whatsoever? If they were actually the same thing, then the Knight Enchanter spec would have been called an Arcane Warrior, not a Knight Enchanter. We'd never have even heard the term "Knight Enchanter" from anyone whatsoever, negating this entire pointless argument we're having?

 

Seriously, is the sole basis for your argument Cillian, who I've repeatedly pointed out is not a reliable source on anything Arcane Warrior related since he's self-taught and has no idea that what he's doing is historically accurate? Since we never see any Knight Enchanters or Arcane Warriors side by side, explain to me how we can say that they have the same techniques and skills? We cannot, at least at the present, because we simply lack any kind of evidence to make that kind of definitive judgment call one way or another?

 

It contradicts itself because you keep saying that they're different and they're not the same thing, but then insisting that they are. It took forever for you to coherently explain that you meant that "Arcane Warriors" were different in Inquisition from Origins, but that argument falls apart because they never appeared. All we saw was tribute acts and cover bands, not the real McCoy?

[LOLandStuff]

@Sifr

 

I admire your determination.

[TheKomandorShepard]

What in Andraste's frilly knickers are you on about?

 

At no point in the entire game is a Knight Enchanter called an Arcane Warrior by anyone whatsoever? If they were actually the same thing, then the Knight Enchanter spec would have been called an Arcane Warrior, not a Knight Enchanter. We'd never have even heard the term "Knight Enchanter" from anyone?

 

Is the sole basis for your argument Cillian, who I've repeatedly pointed out is not a reliable source on anything Arcane Warrior related since he's self-taught and has no idea that what he's doing is historically accurate? Since we never see any Knight Enchanters or Arcane Warriors side by side, explain to me again how we can say that they have the same techniques and skills?

 

It contradicts itself because you keep saying that they're different and they're not the same thing, but then insisting that they are. It took forever for you to coherently explain that you meant that "Arcane Warriors" were different in Inquisition from Origins, but that argument falls apart because they never appeared. All we saw was tribute acts and cover bands, not the real McCoy?

 

Do you even can read?

 

Where i said Knight Enchanter was called Aracane Warrior? In fact you were one claimed "Arcane Warrior" is in fact nothing else but Knight Enchanter. 

Here you have from post you have quoted.

 

a)It isn't called Knight Enchanter , it is called Arcane Warrior and yes it have same skillset that KC

Do you see somwhere here me calling Knight Enchanter an Arcane Warrior ,i was talking about arcane warrior in dai that have same skillset that knight enchanter ,hard to comprehend?

 

Eeee what if they were 2 different specializations everyone would call an Arcane Warrior guess here Aracne Warrior ,and Knight Enchanter well knight Enchanter.If Arcane Warrior in inquisition as you said was Knight Enchanter he would be called Knight Enchanter not Arance warrior ,because he would be knight enchanter not arcane warrior....

 

Because Cillian is an Arcane Warrior not Knight Enchanter , if he as you claim was Knight Enchanter and i mention this 3 time in that post he would be called Knight Enchanter because he wouldn't be Arcane Warrior as those 2 would be 2 specializations based on 2 different fighting styles and his fighting style would be Knight Enchanter's. 

 

No i don't , that i said arcane warrior in dao is different than in dai doesn't contradict that Knight Enchanter and Arcane warrior in dai have same skillset.

Because in fact arcane warrior in game A may be diffrent than in game B ,and yet Arcane Warrior in game B may have same skillset that another specialization in game B. That isn't contradition at all.

 

Then going by your version what i said was that Knight Enchanter have same skillset as Knight Enchanter (what would be stating obvious fact) and that Knight Enchanter is different than Arcane warrior in dao (what is in fact true).No contradiction at all.

[Lady Artifice]

Oh, then perhaps you will explain how those both statements contradict each other?

 

Im eagerly awaiting your explanation ,because if somehow you will explain that (and i expect logical explanation) i will admit you are right.

 

Otherwise you are just another screamer with "tks is evil because he is evil".   

 

Indeed not. For I have learned my lesson. It is not my place to question your glorious intellect, but to bow in humble supplication.

 

The delivery of your brilliance is not only patient and fair, but unfailingly logical.

 

I would have at one point, suggested that since Arcane Warriors were shown with the ability to wear armor that other Mages cannot and wield mundane weaponry, as opposed to Knight Enchanters who deliver blows with blades of pure arcane force and still wear Mage robes, they are differentiated from from one another in several ways. I would have, doubtless, recited many of the same points Sifr has pointed out.

 

Now, however, I realize the great folly of attempting to argue against such awe inspiring cunning and genius as yours. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Indeed not. For I have learned my lesson. It is not my place to question your glorious intellect, but to bow in humble supplication before the glory of it. 

 

The delivery of your brilliance is not only patient and fair, but unfailingly logical.

 

I would have at one point, suggested that since Arcane Warriors were shown with the ability to wear armor that other Mages cannot and wield mundane weaponry, as opposed to Knight Enchanters who deliver blows with blades of pure arcane force and still wear Mage robes, they are differentiated from from one another in several ways. I would have, doubtless, recited many of the same points Sifr has pointed out.

 

Now, however, I realize the great folly of attempting to argue against such awe inspiring cunning and genius as yours. 

 

Wrong and right ,about my glorious intellect you are right.

 

Also you are right with "Arcane Warriors were shown with the ability to wear armor that other Mages cannot and wield mundane weaponry"  and it is true,but you missed simple detail.

 

Let me fix this "Arcane Warriors in dragon age origins were shown with the ability to wear armor that other Mages cannot and wield mundane weaponry"

 

So sadly you have failed here , because in fact i was talking about Arcane warrior in Dragon age Inquisition having same skillset that Knight Enchanter ,and dao arcane warrior being different when compared to those two in dai is something i myself said.

[Sifr]

Do you even can read?

 

I can read, unfortunately, more's the pity.

 

Do you see somwhere here me calling Knight Enchanter an Arcane Warrior ,i was talking about arcane warrior in dai that have same skillset that knight enchanter ,hard to comprehend?

 

In that post you quoted, you actually called a Knight Enchanter an Arcane Warrior. In those words exactly. So pray tell, how am I misundestanding that or seemingly imagining that you said that, when I can actually see that precise thing written in front of me, a quote which you kindly provided me?

 

Eeee what if they were 2 different specializations everyone would call an Arcane Warrior guess here Aracne Warrior ,and Knight Enchanter well knight Enchanter.If Arcane Warrior in inquisition as you said was Knight Enchanter he would be called Knight Enchanter not Arance warrior ,because he would be knight enchanter not arcane warrior....

 

Because Cillian is an Arcane Warrior not Knight Enchanter , if he as you claim was Knight Enchanter and i mention this 3 time in that post he would be called Knight Enchanter because he wouldn't be Arcane Warrior as those 2 would be 2 specializations based on 2 different fighting styles and his fighting style would be Knight Enchanter's. 

 

How are you not getting this?

 

Just because he calls himself one, doesn't mean that he is one. It's a name that he chose for himself, without any actual training in the Arcane Warrior spec, aside from half-forgotten lore that he taught himself, which might be completely wrong for all he knows?

 

He's not an Arcane Warrior, he's playing dress up as one.

 

 

No i don't , that i said arcane warrior in dao is different than in dai doesn't contradict that Knight Enchanter and Arcane warrior in dai have same skillset.

Because in fact arcane warrior in game A may be diffrent than in game B ,and yet Arcane Warrior in game B may have same skillset that another specialization in game B. That isn't contradition at all.

 

Then going by your version what i said that Knight Enchanter have same skillset as Knight Enchanter (what would be stating obvious fact) and that Knight Enchanter is different than Arcane warrior in dao (what is in fact true).No contradiction at all.

 

The contradiction in your statement is worse now because you've since changed definitions that Arcane Warriors are the same as Knight Enchanters now, but not in the previous game, which again goes against the entire fact that you were screaming retcon earlier?

 

Furthermore, the only person insisting that KE are AW happens to be you! The game never says that, the lore doesn't support it, the only person who in anyway thinks AW are in DAI is you and an in-universe Dalish who's more of a cosplayer than anything else?!

[Patchwork]

Not that I play DAMP but I would be happier if Cillian wore medium armour and used a mundane sword so that he's more in keeping with the Arcane Warrior spec we had in DAO but I think the reason he doesn't is game mechanics. Early multiplayer characters repurpose single player skills and talents which is why regardless of the spec name Cillian plays like a Knight Enchanter. 

 

If I wanted to be all bitter and cynical I'd say "of course Cillian falls short of becoming a true Arcane Warrior he's a dalish elf after all." 

 

 

Lore wise I think that the only mages trained to be Knight Enchanters are stout Loyalists and the majority, especially those at the Divine's side, were from the White Spire. It's like a more exclusive version of Force Mage which was a Kirkwall speciality. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I can read, unfortunately, more's the pity.

 

 

 

 

In that post you quoted, you actually called a Knight Enchanter an Arcane Warrior. In those words exactly. So pray tell, how am I misundestanding that or seemingly imagining that you said that, when I can actually see that precise thing written in front of me, which you kindly provided me by quoting?

 

 

 

 

How are you not getting this?

 

Just because he calls himself one, doesn't mean that he is one. It's a name that he chose for himself, without any actual training in the Arcane Warrior spec, aside from half-forgotten lore that he taught himself, which might be completely wrong for all he knows?

 

He's not an Arcane Warrior, he's playing dress up as one.

 

 

 

The contradiction is only because you've since changed definitions that Arcane Warriors are the same as Knight Enchanters now, but not in the previous game, which again goes against the entire fact that you were screaming retcon earlier?

 

Furthermore, the only person insisting that KE are AW happens to be you! The game never says that, the lore doesn't support it, the only person who in anyway thinks AW are in DAI is you and an in-universe Dalish who's more of a cosplayer than anything else?!

 

1.I wish that was true.

 

2.WtH? Where in that post you have me calling Arcane Warrior Knight Enchanter? Sure my overall point is that AW in dai was turned into same thing KC is , but please show me where in fragment you have quoted i said that.Especially i didn't said anything about somone calling AW KC in game. 

 

Here.

a)It isn't called Knight Enchanter , it is called Arcane Warrior and yes it have same skillset that KC , if he was KC and Arcane warrior would be something different he would be called Knight Enchanter ,not to mention description of that character (and many other things that i pointed in you know which post).  

b)And yet you didn't explain how they contradict  each other, lets even assume your version that you said above is in case ,still they don't contradict each other. 

 

Also no he isn't only calling himself one , he is called arcane warrior and is described by that he is following ancient elves art and if Knight Enchanter is different than Arcane warrior it isn't ancient elves art only circle magi art that was inspired by arcane warriors... not to mention that guy wouldn't even have access to KC for reasons explained by me on page 2. 

 

 

 

 

 

"The contradiction is only because you've since changed definitions that Arcane Warriors are the same as Knight Enchanters now, but not in the previous game, which again goes against the entire fact that you were screaming retcon earlier?"

 

WTH x2? Do you even know what contradiction is? How the heck me saying that Arcane Warriors are the same as Knight Enchanters now ,thus different than they were in dao (what in that scenario means they have changed in current game what what specialization was in previous game ,in other words such thing is called retcon) is contradiction?

 

 

Not only me but also game ,unless you want to tell me that "Dalish who's more of a cosplayer than anything else" hacked the game to claim he is arcane warrior and well wiki claims that too   (i know wiki is well questionable ,but it seems that there is another person that claims that as well , so not only me yay!)

 

 

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