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[ImAnElfMofos!]

Why did Bioware not share that through like altering his height or giving elf ears while retaining his height. . 

 

What are your opinions on this?

[Captain Wiseass]

It's established lore that human-elf hybrids just look human.

[thats1evildude]

Half-elves in Dragon Age do not have elven features. They appear completely human. So giving him human pointy ears would actually be a lore-breaking thing. It would also (probably) make it impossible for him to be king.

[Taki17]

Strange. Feynriel (that half-elf mage kid from DA2) had some distinctive elven features.

[sylvanaerie]

Half-elves in Dragon Age do not have elven features. They appear completely human. So giving him human ears would actually be a lore-breaking thing. It would also (probably) make it impossible for him to be king.

 

You mean "Elf" ears i think?

 

Feynriel looked half elven (sort of, with human features, human ears, but some elven delicacy to the cast of them) and he has a line saying "I always felt elven in the city, but among the Dalish, I never realized how human I am"

[ImAnElfMofos!]

You mean "Elf" ears i think?

 

Feynriel looked half elven (sort of, with human features, human ears, but some elven delicacy to the cast of them) and he has a line saying "I always felt elven in the city, but among the Dalish, I never realized how human I am"

 

So Bioware already broke the lore? at DA2 hahaha. . .if they were going to do that atleast start with Origins lol

[Taki17]

So Bioware already broke the lore? at DA2 hahaha. . .if they were going to do that atleast start with Origins lol

Visual continuity was never a strong side of BW with the DA series.

 

But the retconing, they are experts in that.

[DeathScepter]

i don't remember this DAO Npc name but you can find him at Deremin and he gives you several rogue oriented jobs including stealth oriented missions and pickpocketing missions, I do think his name is slim cooley(or some form of that)

[ImAnElfMofos!]

Alistair showing elven traits. . would provide a plot twist to DAO, because he wouldn't be king due to this, and most likely will provide the option of having Anora be the only heir to the throne besides Arl Eamon and Bann Teagan.

 

Did BW did this for more options for who you want as King? because its pretty confusing on lore side if a half-elf king would be produced. . because humans and elves hate each other.

[ImAnElfMofos!]

i don't remember this DAO Npc name but you can find him at Deremin and he gives you several rogue oriented jobs including stealth oriented missions and pickpocketing missions, I do think his name is slim cooley(or some form of that)

 

 

Slim Couldrey

[Taki17]

Alistair showing elven traits. . would provide a plot twist to DAO, because he wouldn't be king due to this, and most likely will provide the option of having Anora be the only heir to the throne besides Arl Eamon and Bann Teagan.

 

Did BW did this for more options for who you want as King? because its pretty confusing on lore side if a half-elf king would be produced. . because humans and elves hate each other.

The people who know about Alistair's true mother are either dead (Maric, Duncan) or have a very good reason not to reveal it (Fiona - though she could be dead too - and maybe Arl Eamon). If Loghain or any other nobles knew about this, they would have revealed it during the Landsmeet.

[DeathScepter]

Slim Couldrey

thank you

[theskymoves]

I've never thought Feynriel looked even remotely elven, and am always baffled when I see someone say he looks like an elf, as he has round ears and exhibits none of the defining features of the DA2-elf model, such as the very distinctive nose bridge and exaggerated irises.

 

 

 

 

Objectively, he actually resembles his father

 

 

a lot more than his mother.

 

/unpopular opinion

[thats1evildude]

You mean "Elf" ears i think?

 

Yes, I meant to say pointy. Fixed.

[springacres]

I agree, Feynriel does look a lot more like his father.  If we didn't know he was half-elven, it would be hard to identify him as not being fully human.  I feel like it shows somewhat, though - he has a narrower face, more delicate features and a slenderer build than I would expect to see in a human of his age.    (Although some of that could be explained by his relative youth, as well, since he seems to be around 18-20 at most.)

[sylvanaerie]

I've never thought Feynriel looked even remotely elven, and am always baffled when I see someone say he looks like an elf, as he has round ears and exhibits none of the defining features of the DA2-elf model, such as the very distinctive nose bridge and exaggerated irises.

 

 

 

 

Objectively, he actually resembles his father

 

 

a lot more than his mother.

 

/unpopular opinion

 

That pic definitely makes him look very human.  But there are other angles that make him look more 'delicately featured'.  He's human, no mistaking it, round ears and none of the 'avatar' look to his profile, (though he doesn't have much of a dip at his brow with his profile) but there is something with a slight elven slant to his features, especially in a full frontal face shot, at least to me.  

 

In Origins it's even less definitive with the elves just looking like slim humans with pointy ears.  I have to say I kind of like the look they adopted for Inquisition which seems to mix the two up a little.  

[andy6915]

Despite Feynriel's appearance, fact is that people born of a human and elven mother always just makes another human. It's why elves frown on relationships with humans, they don't want another human born into the world using their genes. Note I said relationships, they seem to have no problem with it if it's just for fun or money and it's not expected to result in children. I chalk Feynriel up to coincidence, some people in the real world are just small framed without needing fictional elven parents. Any similarity to elves in his features was just a stroke of genes.

[Sifr]

That pic definitely makes him look very human.  But there are other angles that make him look more 'delicately featured'.  He's human, no mistaking it, round ears and none of the 'avatar' look to his profile, (though he doesn't have much of a dip at his brow with his profile) but there is something with a slight elven slant to his features, especially in a full frontal face shot, at least to me.  

 

In Origins it's even less definitive with the elves just looking like slim humans with pointy ears.  I have to say I kind of like the look they adopted for Inquisition which seems to mix the two up a little.  

 

Yeah, if you look at him from the front you can see that Feynriel has some very lithe features that are similar to elves, his eyes and nose in particular are a very subtle mix inbetween human and elven. Compared to humans in the game, his eyes are far larger, but they're not as large as the other elves.

 

Comparing him to Marethari in this shot, you can definitely see that he's got elven features;

 

Spoiler

 

DAI was a great balance between the previous iterations of their design.

 

I know that it's an unpopular opinion, but I felt that the lithe and more visually distinct elves from DA2 was vastly superior from the short, pointy-eared humans of DAO, as you really got the sense that they were a seperate race from humans.

 

In DA2 they had a tad uncanny valley look to them that would perhaps justify why some humans feel so uneasy around elves, unlike Origins where they looked so much like short humans, if they had long hair you'd be hard pressed to figure out what shape their ears were?

[andy6915]

In DA2 they had a tad uncanny valley look to them that would perhaps justify why some humans feel so uneasy around elves, unlike Origins where they looked so much like short humans, if they had long hair you'd be hard pressed to figure out what shape their ears were?

 

What? Humans aren't uneasy about elves in Origins, they're turned on by them. Quite the opposite reaction. Zevran even admits that part of why Crows like using elves for assassins is that humans are generally very attracted to elves, which makes it easy for elven assassins to use seduction. The elves in DAO and DAI makes sense with that lore since they're all quite attractive overall, whereas elves in DA2... I can't even imagine how humans would find elves like the DA2 ones attractive.

[sylvanaerie]

What? Humans aren't uneasy about elves in Origins, they're turned on by them. Quite the opposite reaction. Zevran even admits that part of why Crows like using elves for assassins is that humans are generally very attracted to elves, which makes it easy for elven assassins to use seduction. The elves in DAO and DAI makes sense with that lore since they're all quite attractive overall, whereas elves in DA2... I can't even imagine how humans would find elves like the DA2 ones attractive.

 

The look kind of grew on me after about half a dozen playthroughs of DA2.  I like that they made the elves look distinctive instead of just short, pointy eared humans, though I felt they took it a little too far in DA2, I found some of the elves to be quite beautiful.  Fenris and Merrill were appealing in appearance and I thought Marethari was one of the most beautiful creatures I've seen in DA (though I'll concede that may also be her presence, not just her physical appearance giving that impression).  

 

TMP7704 made a mod for Origins that adopted all elves in the game to be a slight mixture of the two artistic renderings and I enjoyed using it, finding I had my "canon" Surana's look at last.  The effect was similar to what they did in DAI, which I agree was a vast improvement over DA2's efforts.  While I wasn't a huge fan of the totally alien look in DA2, I liked the mixture very much, and felt my Inquisitor was alien enough to be attractive and distinct.

 

I get what he means about "uneasy" though because I recall reading a line somewhere (it may have been in one of the books, or on the forums here) that the effect elven eyes had on humans was to make them 'uneasy'.  I could see it given the shape, often strange coloring they may have had, or even the way the light would reflect from them at times.  

Spoiler

 It may also do with the weight of age that exists in elven eyes (the ancients like the ones in the Temple of Mythal were beautiful but rather unnerving to me as well).

[andy6915]

I get what he means about "uneasy" though because I recall reading a line somewhere (it may have been in one of the books, or on the forums here) that the effect elven eyes had on humans was to make them 'uneasy'.  I could see it given the shape, often strange coloring they may have had, or even the way the light would reflect from them at times.  

Spoiler

 It may also do with the weight of age that exists in elven eyes (the ancients like the ones in the Temple of Mythal were beautiful but rather unnerving to me as well).

 

You... Sure about that? Only place I've ever seen about a race having creepy eyes to others are qunari.

 

http://dragonage.wik...try:_The_Qunari

 

"with frighteningly calm demeanors and a sort of sparkling fire behind their eyes"

 

http://dragonage.wik...(Dragon_Age_II)

 

"Nature has given them fierce horns and strange eyes, and the ignorant look on them and see monsters."

 

 

I'd be most interested to read that if you find the source on that claim. I'm not flat out calling you wrong, merely that I'm skeptical because I think you might be confusing elven eyes to qunari ones given the similarity between what you said about elves and the qunari codexes.

[Sifr]

What? Humans aren't uneasy about elves in Origins, they're turned on by them. Quite the opposite reaction. Zevran even admits that part of why Crows like using elves for assassins is that humans are generally very attracted to elves, which makes it easy for elven assassins to use seduction. The elves in DAO and DAI makes sense with that lore since they're all quite attractive overall, whereas elves in DA2... I can't even imagine how humans would find elves like the DA2 ones attractive.

 

I didn't say unattractive, I said that some characters act as if they are uneasy around elves.

 

Due to the uncanny valley effect, their "alien" appearance would register on some subconscious level, but that depends on the person who's viewing them. Some people as you said, would find them exotic and attractive, while others might be struck by fear and revulsion?

 

Why do you think that "Knife-ear" and "Rabbit" are throw around as much as they are as a prejorative but the racist humans, if not as an indication that the speaker thinks that the elves look "wrong" in comparison to themselves?

 

(And sadly, being or looking different is often the root of many prejudices, in our world and in Thedas)

 

In Origins, even Leliana, who admits to finding elves attractive, doesn't realise until you call her out on it that she looks down on elves to a degree, seeing them as second class citizens simply because they're not human like she is?

[andy6915]

I didn't say unattractive, I said that some characters act as if they are uneasy around elves.

 

Due to the uncanny valley effect, their "alien" appearance would register on some subconscious level, but that depends on the person who's viewing them. Some people as you said, would find them exotic and attractive, while others might be struck by fear and revulsion?

 

Why do you think that "Knife-ear" and "Rabbit" are throw around as much as they are as a prejorative but the racist humans, if not as an indication that the speaker thinks that the elves look "wrong" in comparison to themselves?

 

(And sadly, being or looking different is often the root of many prejudices, in our world and in Thedas)

 

In Origins, even Leliana, who admits to finding elves attractive, doesn't realise until you call her out on it that she looks down on elves to a degree, seeing them as second class citizens simply because they're not human like she is?

 

Never heard rabbit used against an elf in any DA media I've heard of. Knife ear is just an exaggeration of a trait for the sake of insulting, like how people used to call Asians "yellow".  Do non-Asians find Asians to be freaky looking now, because someone called them a yellow skin tone? Not really. And Leliana thinks that because she grew up in the same country that subtly practices elven slavery still, the culture where she grew up is why she thinks that and it has nothing to do with appearance.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Strange. Feynriel (that half-elf mage kid from DA2) had some distinctive elven features.

 

Wrong.

[sylvanaerie]

You... Sure about that? Only place I've ever seen about a race having creepy eyes to others are qunari.

 

http://dragonage.wik...try:_The_Qunari

 

"with frighteningly calm demeanors and a sort of sparkling fire behind their eyes"

 

http://dragonage.wik...(Dragon_Age_II)

 

"Nature has given them fierce horns and strange eyes, and the ignorant look on them and see monsters."

 

 

I'd be most interested to read that if you find the source on that claim. I'm not flat out calling you wrong, merely that I'm skeptical because I think you might be confusing elven eyes to qunari ones given the similarity between what you said about elves and the qunari codexes.

 

It definitely wasn't in descriptive of Qunari, it was elves, but I don't recall exactly where I saw it.  I didn't get into the DA books, so it's from the forums, but the thread was referring to something written in one of the books.  Maybe The Stolen Throne?  It was on the old BSN website, I think prior to DA2's release.  Good luck tracking that one down out of the thousands of threads there.  If I could remember (or even find it) I'd link it.  As it is, I have neither the patience or the stamina to track it down myself.

Like the old discussion over elven genetics, fun to talk about, but lord I don't want to try tracking down that down.