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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

 

[MrFob]

I usually save them. It has less to do with the council itself but I like to give Joker his ultimate scene of glory:

"Destiny Ascension you are all clear, I repeat you are all clear."

Cheesy as hell but I love that moment.

[Vazgen]

I make the calculations, saving 10000 at the cost of about 2500 human lives. Ruthless calculus of war. Besides, better to deal with the geth first not to be flanked from behind when fighting Sovereign

[MrFob]

That's your problem right there. Equating humans and alien lives.

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On a sidenote, I only now just noticed that my anti-Cerberus Shep is still pro-Human at the end of ME2.

 

"Human dominance.. or just Cerberus?" I don't know why I didn't see that before.

 

Nah, not necessarily. He just calls out TIM's self deceiving argument. Doesn't mean that human dominance is good in Shepard's own view. You can certainly roleplay a pro-human-dominance, anti-Cerberus Shepard if you want to, that is possible. But even with that line, you can also  still interpret it in a way that your Shepard is pro-species-equality.

 

The only thing, I think you cannot play is an actively anti-human Shepard. That would actually be interesting, especially for an earthborn sole survivor (who may be very disillusioned with humanity, due to living in horrible conditions on earth and then learning the truth about the Akuze from Toombs). But even if you could do that in ME2, ME3 would certainly throw a wrench into that one.

[Seyd71]

Far less than saving the Council, I imagine.

 

-50 to 103rd Marine Division

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

[in it for the lolz]

Well it's not like people can really laugh at that considering it's a non-canon story you came up with where you're trying to mix the Master Chief's origin story with a default Commander Shepard.

And, your point is?

[Seyd71]

And, your point is?

Why reply to a serious question with something that isn't canon and no one knows about it but you? Besides, at least don't blatantly copy Halo in your head-canon

[Cameron Star]

6. Finally, what proof do the Batarians and or Alliance have that you did it? Hackett says the information is shoddy at best, yet the only people who knew about it were Hackett, who asked you personally to do it, and the crew of the Normandy.

Hackett never asked you to blow up a mass effect relay and thousands of batarians. He simply asked you to rescue Dr Kenson and things quickly escalated from there.

[Seyd71]

Well he didn't ask you to blow up the relay, but he asked you to save the doctor and supported Shepard's decision.

[Iakus]

 

 

6. Finally, what proof do the Batarians and or Alliance have that you did it? Hackett says the information is shoddy at best, yet the only people who knew about it were Hackett, who asked you personally to do it, and the crew of the Normandy.

 

THe whole thing was secretly recorded for an episode of "Punk'D: Khar'shan Edition"

[in it for the lolz]

Why reply to a serious question with something that isn't canon and no one knows about it but you? Besides, at least don't blatantly copy Halo in your head-canon

What makes you think that I care about the crap that is in the canon storyline, I make up non-canon Shepards with non-canon sorylines all the time because I like to role play with characters that I make in RPG games.
 

Also, I happen to like Halo and MC's backstory, and after reading Fall of Reach I felt like making a character based on him.

[Seyd71]

What makes you think that I care about the crap that is in the canon storyline, I make up non-canon Shepards with non-canon sorylines all the time because I like to role play with characters that I make in RPG games.
 

Also, I happen to like Halo and MC's backstory, and after reading Fall of Reach I felt like making a character based on him.

 

I don't care that you roleplay him, what I care about is that you replied to my serious question and observation with a non-canon reply. Also, I like Halo as well, but at least I don't blatantly copy the main character's story. Besides, how you described the Chief shows how little you know about him.

 

1. Spartans CAN have kids, they just have a reduced sex drive so they don't feel like it and/or want to

2. Master Chief isn't "unthinking" he thinks a lot actually, he's just been de-sensitized to violence

3. He most definitely has morals, otherwise Johnson would be dead now wouldn't he?

[in it for the lolz]

I don't care that you roleplay him, what I care about is that you replied to my serious question and observation with a non-canon reply. Also, I like Halo as well, but at least I don't blatantly copy the main character's story. Besides, how you described the Chief shows how little you know about him.

 

1. Spartans CAN have kids, they just have a reduced sex drive so they don't feel like it and/or want to

2. Master Chief isn't "unthinking" he thinks a lot actually, he's just been de-sensitized to violence

3. He most definitely has morals, otherwise Johnson would be dead now wouldn't he?

I changed parts to John's backstory, to make more darker.

[Seyd71]

I changed parts to John's backstory, to make more darker.

 

First off,  it's "of John's backstory" and "make it darker"

 

Second, I don't care, If I want to hear about your background I'll go to the damn fan-fiction section. Your NON-CANON story isn't relevant to the topic. I asked it and expected serious replies, not you making comments on your story trying to promote it.

[SwobyJ]

In Mass Effect 2, If you do Arrival, you kill 300,000 Batarians to slow down the Reapers' arrival. However, Admiral Hackett says that eventually Shepard will have to own up to it and turn himself/herself in. This where most players found themselves at the beginning of Mass Effect 3. While it changes little, Batarians and others try to make you feel guilty about it. However, I find a few problems with this.

 

1. Everyone says you killed 300,000 Batarians, but according to the planets' descriptions only Aratoht has a population, but it says only 90,000 people on it are free, while 215,000 are categorized as "other". Considering the fact that the description states "the majority of laborers are indentured servants or slaves", It's more like you're killing 90,000 and mercy killing 215,000.

 

2. The Reapers were going to kill them anyway, I mean Shepard had to have some proof of it from data at the project.

 

3. While Shepard went in alone to rescue Dr. Kenson, there was no reason for his crew not to meet him at the project. They kept Shepard sedated for two days, and yet his crew wasn't the slightest bit concerned about it. They could've come in after a few hours or at least the first day and dealt with everyone there, leaving about a day to warn people and evacuate most, if not all the people on Aratoht.

 

4. Balak, who is apparently a high ranking Batarian official in ME3, tried to hit Terra Nova with an Asteroid. Considering that Terra Nova has a population of around 4.4 million in Mass Effect 1, and that he was going to hit the capital city, the most densely populated region, he probably would've killed as much or more than the 300,000 who died in Bahak. In addition, none of the 4.4 million were slaves like on Aratoht.

 

5. The Batarians are literally just terrorists who murder and enslave people when Mass Effect starts. They aren't even part of the Council, and I'm willing to bet that they don't just enslave humans.

 

6. Finally, what proof do the Batarians and or Alliance have that you did it? Hackett says the information is shoddy at best, yet the only people who knew about it were Hackett, who asked you personally to do it, and the crew of the Normandy.

 

This one of the things that bug me in Mass Effect and honestly, the next time I play ME3 (if I do at all), I'm considering killing Balak.

 

1. You still killed them.

 

2. You still killed them.

 

3. Complication, but unaddressed.

 

4. Balak was much worse, but you still killed them.

 

5. Up to millions of Batarians are not terrorists but are utterly unable to reform their government and society, so they are left to either go along or leave to be criminals since there is no positive relations between the Council and the Hegemony. Slaves being killed may be considered a better fate than being slaves, but they're still killed by you.

 

6. The Batarians were aware of Kenson and that Shepard's been trapezing around the sector. That's all I got.

 

Shepard can be a Renegade, even a disgusting one (depending on your values), but he can't be a total Monster. Even at the most sociopathic, killing this many sapient organics has to be seen as at least a waste of potential and use, in the fight against the greatest scale enemy (the Reapers). 

 

Renegade - It sucked, but it had to be done. I'd do it again if I had to.

Paragon - It had to be done, but it sucked. I wish I didn't have to do it.

Just different standpoints, but Shepard is never Paragon enough to not do anything, and Shepard is never Renegade enough to relish what he does there.

[KaiserShep]

Hackett never asked you to blow up a mass effect relay and thousands of batarians. He simply asked you to rescue Dr Kenson and things quickly escalated from there.

It doesn't really matter what Hackett asked; the whole debacle is no less on him. The only difference is that it's easier, and more convenient, to use someone else as a scapegoat, though Hackett still comes away squeaky clean even if Shepard never went to attend to the matter personally.

 

Anyway, the entire setup is shoddily written. Officially pinning the whole thing on Shepard is ultimately foolish and pointless. For one, no one other than Hackett has any evidence of Shepard's involvement, which leaves his options open when dealing with the Alliance and possibly the batarians. This leaves him with the perfect scapegoat: Amanda Kenson herself. Kenson operated independently, scooping up materials from the black market on Omega, which is how she got picked up in the first place, and she obviously did not work alone. It can be assumed that she operated with mercenaries that have no real ties to the Alliance. They are an easy choice to place the blame on, and an easy way to explain how she escaped from prison, and with all of them dying in the process, they can just get a posthumous finger-wagging. Hackett asked for discretion, but he clearly could not return the favor.

 

Secondly, there's no such thing as scapegoats when it comes to the Hegemony. Whether it be Shepard, Kenson, or Random Marine Division #5, the batarians are going to blame the Alliance, and thus all of humanity. This would be true even if they blamed Cerberus, which is just another extension of the former. With the batarians having no say in how the humans will answer for what happened to the Bahak system, placation isn't really in the cards. It would make more sense that the batarians would have been mounting for war against the humans no matter what, and that the only thing that stopped them is the reaper invasion that pretty much wipes them out.

[in it for the lolz]

First off,  it's "of John's backstory" and "make it darker"

 

Second, I don't care, If I want to hear about your background I'll go to the damn fan-fiction section. Your NON-CANON story isn't relevant to the topic. I asked it and expected serious replies, not you making comments on your story trying to promote it.

I am not promoting anything. I replied to your BS about "blatantly copying" Halo. And just like I would expect form some of the BSN users here, you just keep posting the same old crap. So you know what, I am done talking about this and getting the same old crap form you.

 

EDIT: Also. I was qouting to someone else before you choose to barge in with your crap.

[KaiserShep]

6. The Batarians were aware of Kenson and that Shepard's been trapezing around the sector. That's all I got.

 

The funny thing about this is that the Alliance can either continue to disavow any knowledge of their whereabouts, or claim that they never returned, presumably all dying in the explosion. Shepard could have easily used this as an opportunity to fake his/her death as far as the batarians are concerned. Once the reapers invaded, it's not like it would have mattered once s/he resurfaced.

[SwobyJ]

The funny thing about this is that the Alliance can either continue to disavow any knowledge of their whereabouts, or claim that they never returned, presumably all dying in the explosion. Shepard could have easily used this as an opportunity to fake his/her death as far as the batarians are concerned. Once the reapers invaded, it's not like it would have mattered once s/he resurfaced.

 

I think the gist is that the Alliance would much rather not have the Batarians finally go outright berserk on the Alliance while the Alliance is getting ready for the Reapers. So some showing and trial of events is necessary in order to calm down tensions and questions, even if the Batarians are not so reasonable themselves.

[KaiserShep]

I think the gist is that the Alliance would much rather not have the Batarians finally go outright berserk on the Alliance while the Alliance is getting ready for the Reapers. So some showing and trial of events is necessary in order to calm down tensions and questions, even if the Batarians are not so reasonable themselves.

 

This doesn't preclude simply landing the blame on Kenson and her team. After all, who takes the blame if Shepard doesn't go to Aratoht to rescue her? Hackett sends some marines to do the job, and they die in the process, but there's no trial.

[SwobyJ]

There can still be a trial. It all happens pre-ME3 anyway, confirmed by Mac Walters at least. Basically anything 'trial' was glossed over.

[Seyd71]

I am not promoting anything. I replied to your BS about "blatantly copying" Halo. And just like I would expect form some of the BSN users here, you just keep posting the same old crap. So you know what, I am done talking about this and getting the same old crap form you.

 

EDIT: Also. I was qouting to someone else before you choose to barge in with your crap.

 

"Quoting"

 

Also, no you weren't, you replied to someone without quoting.

 

Regardless, it isn't barging in when it's MY thread, and saying that you blatantly copied Halo for your origin story isn't BS, it's the truth. I posted some thoughts and got serious replies, like I wanted. You replied to it as if it was a role-playing thread by posting a response based on crap that isn't even in the damn game.

 

And if you want me to take you seriously, type correctly.