I was listening to some of the lines that the Tranquil protected by Researcher Minaeve had with Mother Giselle in Haven, when I heard a specific line that shocked me: "I no longer speak with Dragons...", there are other lines in other instances where she tells Giselle that she prefers to remain Tranquil because all the harm done to her could be too much to handle (don't remember them verbatim), the tranquil is an Elf woman (like Avexis) and her age could match, she and researcher Minaeve were specifically protected under Cassandra's wing, etc. Have someone considered that? I haven't found any information about what happened with her after "Dawn of the Seeker" but I wonder if no one else have noticed it or if there is an official account in that regard.
Avexis' Fate (Inquisition)
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 01:20
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Do you mean Alexius, the Venatori guy from Redcliffe?
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 01:45
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I believe he is referring to the elven girl from the Dragon Age movie Dawn of the Seeker
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Avexis
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 02:06
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That is very likely her. It's not like speaking with Dragons is a common thing. I'll be on the lookout to see if I can hear that dialogue as well.
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 02:22
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That is very likely her. It's not like speaking with Dragons is a common thing. I'll be on the lookout to see if I can hear that dialogue as well.
If that is the case, it would be really poignant (and unfair) end for her... 
, even when not surprising, having someone with that power awakened in adulthood could "justify" that extreme measure (note the quotes, I would never justify something like that, neither my character RP wise)
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 02:28
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If that is the case, it would be really poignant (and unfair) end for her...
I'm really not surprised she ended up Tranquil. With that much power, the templars probably made her tranquil first chance they could. She probably attracted a lot of attention in the fade as well.
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 04:20
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What a downer ending for the character. Kidnapped by blood mages, used as a weapon, then made Tranquil.
On the other hand, if this is the Tranquil that talks to Giselle in Haven, she is willing to remain Tranquil. Giselle asks her if she wants to try and cure her Tranquility, and the Tranquil replies that because of the Breach she doesn't think she'd survive not being Tranquil.
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 06:02
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Just another reason to side with the mages and leave the Templars to their fate. They took an innocent girl who had been promised protection and rewards by the Divine herself according to Cassandra and turn her into a Tranquil. 
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 06:26
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I think she herself wanted to be made tranquil, nobody forced her to.
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 06:31
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Not the first thread I've seen on the subject.
http://forum.bioware...elated-spoiler/
http://forum.bioware...te-inquisition/
Just another reason to side with the mages and leave the Templars to their fate. They took an innocent girl who had been promised protection and rewards by the Divine herself according to Cassandra and turn her into a Tranquil.
Technically speaking, it was blood mages who forced her to drink dragon blood and participate in their plot to kill the Divine. If that's what eventually resulted in her becoming Tranquil ...
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 06:34
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I think she herself wanted to be made tranquil, nobody forced her to.
I recall hearing that as well. And, since I remembered there was a thread about the subject a while back (link), apparently it was something Avexis said?
And 
'd while trying to find a Youtube clip to confirm. Alas~!
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 08:52
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She could summon an army of dragons at age seven.Just another reason to side with the mages and leave the Templars to their fate. They took an innocent girl who had been promised protection and rewards by the Divine herself according to Cassandra and turn her into a Tranquil.
I think that qualifies as too bleeding dangerous.
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 09:05
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Oh well if that is her then I must admit to some disappointment. If nothing else just because I was hoping we were going to explore her powers later.
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 12:57
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 01:36
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i'd heard about that and quite honestly, i'm still hoping it's not her. dawn of the seeker was a bit flat (although still better than ME: paragon lost), but i felt really bad for her. i'd hoped that she'd have a better future where she could harness her powers and helped to bring about positive change in the world.
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 02:15
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I recall hearing that as well. And, since I remembered there was a thread about the subject a while back (link), apparently it was something Avexis said?
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Yes I was wondering, and surprised that it hadn't been brought before, I'm a newcomer to the franchise, thanks for the link!
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 02:59
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She could summon an army of dragons at age seven.
I think that qualifies as too bleeding dangerous.
Corypheus would have loved her powers. He'd probably choose her over Calpernia, and Samson as his new vessel.
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Posté 01 mai 2015 - 03:53
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If the tranquil is Avexis, I'd like to see more her dialogues. Her story is relevant to the first part of the game (Mage-Templar War) and one of the companions knows her.
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Posté 31 octobre 2015 - 08:07
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Posté 31 octobre 2015 - 08:29
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It is Avexis! https://twitter.com/...536321669115904
****, now I'm sad...... Really wanted to know her better. Maybe we could see her again in DA4?
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Posté 01 novembre 2015 - 12:12
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****, now I'm sad...... Really wanted to know her better. Maybe we could see her again in DA4?
I'd rather not. Not unless she becomes the subject of attempting to cure tranquility. I'm still sad bioware swept her under the rug like all other inconvenient *spechul* characters instead of doing their job and actually do some writing.
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Posté 01 novembre 2015 - 01:30
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What a downer ending for the character. Kidnapped by blood mages, used as a weapon, then made Tranquil.
On the other hand, if this is the Tranquil that talks to Giselle in Haven, she is willing to remain Tranquil. Giselle asks her if she wants to try and cure her Tranquility, and the Tranquil replies that because of the Breach she doesn't think she'd survive not being Tranquil.
Do you think a tranquil's will is an accurate representation of a person's will, or what they were before made tranquil a more accurate representation of their will? She is consenting to stay tranquil, but in like a gross date rape sort of way now that her mind is influenced by her new status.
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Posté 01 novembre 2015 - 05:37
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Do you think a tranquil's will is an accurate representation of a person's will, or what they were before made tranquil a more accurate representation of their will? She is consenting to stay tranquil, but in like a gross date rape sort of way now that her mind is influenced by her new status.
No. Traquil tend to be very compliant. Ser Alrik tells Ella in the DA2 quest Dissent that onces she's Tranquil she'll do anything he wishes. And there are a few other ambient conversations from the Gallows where Traquil have been told that in performing the Rite Alrik saved them and they believe it.
And from conversations with Mineave, you find that the Traquil really don't have any self preservation instinct.
It seems to me Traquility takes more than just emotions but idenity. Will would be a part of that.
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Posté 01 novembre 2015 - 05:46
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Its an interesting moral question whether the duty towards their original self allows us to over-ride their current wills, maimed as they might be. I'm not comfortable with the "they're not really people any more, so its alright to effectively kill them to get the original back" logic - it is after all rather the logic of Solas.
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Posté 01 novembre 2015 - 07:15
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The desire to have emotions is itself emotional, so the Tranquil never really seem to have a problem with their condition.Its an interesting moral question whether the duty towards their original self allows us to over-ride their current wills, maimed as they might be. I'm not comfortable with the "they're not really people any more, so its alright to effectively kill them to get the original back" logic - it is after all rather the logic of Solas.
I wouldn't argue personhood as much as I would argue being alive. If we were talking about something where a truly new personality was created afterward and you had to kill that person to bring the original back, I'd agree with you. But Tranquility doesn't do that. It kills the person and leaves a body. It breaths, it walks and talks, but I wouldn't say it's alive in any sense but biological.
Of course this begs the question, is biological life enough?
You use the word 'maimed', and they have been, but the Rite was what maimed them.
It's a very thin line, I admit, but part of Solas' problem is he can't see any worth in the creations of this world. But those he derides as being akin to Tranquil can still create, still grow. True Tranquil can't do that.
Tldr: The Rite of Tranquility maims or kills the self, leaving behind a basic operating system which can store/ retrieve information and maintain biology. The cure isn't any different than any other treatment applied due to traumatic injury.
