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[NagarAsh]

Hi!

 

so my queation is regarding templars and mages

 

basically i was wondering which is morally the better choice in DAI...by that i mean: in dragon age origins allying with templars would morally be considered wrong as it was but 1 wrong mage and the warden would be killing all mages and destroying the circle tower only coz of that 1 mage...so the better choice is allying with mages...similarly is da2 allying with mages would be morally wrong as it the whole place was suffering initially coz of anders and later on as we all know Orsino (1st enchanter) does justice to mages even worse...ofc there were more morally questionable mages throughout da2 playthrough too...as well as there were morally questionable templars in dao..

 

similarly in dai which side would be morally questionable more than the other side (the 'more-right' side of the two..or the better/worse side of the two)!?

 

thx

[KaiserShep]

You're not really choosing sides in the Broken Circle quest, because either decision still helps the Templars. The only one who is unhappy with the decision to save them is Cullen. I'll have to be on the opposite side on the morality issue of siding with the mages in DA2. Legal or no, I could not condone the invocation of the right of annulment when it was determined outright that the Circle had no part in the attack.

 

As for conscripting or allying with the mages or Templars in Inquisition, I could kind of go either way. I like the idea of punishing either group by forcing them into the Inquisition's employ, because either group kind of deserves it, but the sole deterrent for conscription of my preferred group, the mages, is how it affects the Divine election. I refuse to give Vivienne a leg up in the running.

[jedidotflow]

When dealing with mages, ally is the morally correct choice. Might not be the most useful, practical, or best for Thedas, though.

 

Conscription assumes that you have authority over the mages and you technically make them prisioner-slaves to the Inquisition. (Note that this doesn't take into consideration wether you'd treat them better or plan to free them later.) 

[draken-heart]

What it comes down to is more practicality than morality, really. The mages went along with their grand enchanter's choice of allying with Tevinter. Some Inquisitors can see it as an honest mistake, but some may not. I prefer the RolePlay answer to this type of question.

[Quick]

So I've done both a few times when it comes to Mages or Templars and just from MY perspective and experience...

 

Given the state of things in Thedas I'm not sure that morality was at the forefront of my mind on that decision.  At the most basic level, I'm not the character from DA:O or DA: 2 as such, some of these personal experiences aren't are not going to weigh as heavily on me, the Inquisitor, as they might if I was.  I'm also not the ruler of the Mages or the Templars or of all of Thedas for that matter.  I'm the leader of the Inquisition and I'm trying to make a decision that is in the best interests of Inquisition's goals (or at least a good leader would be looking at it like that).

 

Anyways...

 

I generally wind up siding with the Templars, and allying with them as it tends to cause less strife with the companions that I care about and having been on all sides of the decision making process the end result isn't really as game changing as the decision itself makes you think it is going to be.

 

To be honest when I did my first playthrough I wound up siding with the mages, just because looking at both situations, a Templar commander that has potentially lost it (for whatever reason) and a Tevinter mage that was playing with time magic, the larger threat seemed to be from the Tevinter mage messing around with time magic.  I thought well, this guy has to be dealt with or something really bad might happen... 

 

In the end neither choice really wound up having a profound impact on my gameplay experience.

 

Just my .02 

[kimgoold]

As I always play as a Mage, this was a difficult choice, but (for me) I found conscripting the Mages and making unHardened Leliana Divine was the best choice.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I was actually pretty glad that the Mage-Templar choices were all fairly reasonable choices this time around.

[Inex]

Conscript both. They only did terrible things with their freedom, so clearly they can't be trusted with freedom when the Inquisition needs them to bring back order to Thedas. Besides, conscript =/= prisoners or slaves, it only means they serve the inquisition much like Cullen's soldiers or Leliana's spies, except they don't have the freedom to leave. The Inquisition treats both groups well (allied or conscripted).

 

I usually roleplay though, so i make this decision based on the character i made. For example, if he is pro-mage freedom then he will have the mages as allies, forgiving their mistakes in Redcliffe.

[SugarBabe49]

I allied with the Mages the first time round then I conscripted them the 2nd time round - to be honest - I preferred Conscripting them. (Allying with them actually made you responsible for the mages thus you had to pay for the damages in Redcliffe whereas Teagan was nicer if you conscripted them instead)

 

I have only allied with the Templars (one playthrough) because I am not sure about disbanding them. I will do a playthrough where I disband them (just gotta figure which one) but does anyone know if you can still get the War Table missions with Ser Barris if you Disband them? 

 

All my characters are pro-mage but each one of them react differently to Redcliffe and Tevinter to the point that some of them are pretty much like - you got yourself in this mess, you get yourself out of this mess - I'm going to the Templars.

 

Some of them are just rubbing their forehead wishing they had medicine for their headache because they are pretty sure they did not survive the conclave just to suffer fools but they will save the mages because they are idiots and they need saving.

[Boost32]

I have only allied with the Templars (one playthrough) because I am not sure about disbanding them. I will do a playthrough where I disband them (just gotta figure which one) but does anyone know if you can still get the War Table missions with Ser Barris if you Disband them? 

Its bugged and you cant get the War Table, before patch 2 it was possible, the difference is that he became the Knight-Commander of the Inquisiton's templars, but its pretty much the same scene just with some minor dialogues difference.

[SugarBabe49]

Its bugged and you cant get the War Table, before patch 2 it was possible, the difference is that he became the Knight-Commander of the Inquisiton's templars, but its pretty much the same scene just with some minor dialogues difference.

thanks for letting me know! At least Ser Barris still gets the promotion.

 

Here's hoping they will patch through a fix for this!

[Cobra's_back]

There is no right or wrong here. The game wants you to be able to pick temples or mages. Both groups failed and are out of control. 

 

Please note Grand Enchanter Fiona was given safe harbor and she threw out the people that helped her. She also aligned herself with Tevinter mages. That alone would put her in jail. 

 

So both groups loss control but pick the one you want. 

 

To be honest I use to like Fiona NOT anymore.

 

My human picked the templars and my elf picked the mages.

 

Can't forget what Fiona did:

 

"She commits treason against the king who provided her protection. Drives out the Arl and his forces, sells her people into slavery and then there is the grim and horrific fate of the tranquil just to make shard finding skulls."

 

​At least the leader of the Templars was under the control of a demon. You get to kill him. You also get to stop the lyrium drug addiction. So I played both but liked the Templar choice better. There is no way Fiona should be allowed to lead anything. 

 

[The Baconer]

Only conscription.

[Cobra's_back]

I allied with the Mages the first time round then I conscripted them the 2nd time round - to be honest - I preferred Conscripting them. (Allying with them actually made you responsible for the mages thus you had to pay for the damages in Redcliffe whereas Teagan was nicer if you conscripted them instead)

 

I have only allied with the Templars (one playthrough) because I am not sure about disbanding them. I will do a playthrough where I disband them (just gotta figure which one) but does anyone know if you can still get the War Table missions with Ser Barris if you Disband them? 

 

All my characters are pro-mage but each one of them react differently to Redcliffe and Tevinter to the point that some of them are pretty much like - you got yourself in this mess, you get yourself out of this mess - I'm going to the Templars.

 

Some of them are just rubbing their forehead wishing they had medicine for their headache because they are pretty sure they did not survive the conclave just to suffer fools but they will save the mages because they are idiots and they need saving.

 

 

I felt the same way. In DA2 I didn't have any problem helping mages. In this game, I felt I could not help being sick of Fiona. Leader she is NOT.