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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Personally I don't see it, I think it's interesting to add an open relationship into the mix of Bioware romances 

Not if the player doesn't get a say. It's just as bad as making a sex scene mandatory. 

[AresKeith]

Not if the player doesn't get a say. It's just as bad as making a sex scene mandatory. 

 

Well there's 3 other romance options in DA2, it's just like Iron Bull if you don't like that kinda of relationship don't do it

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well there's 3 other romance options in DA2, it's just like Iron Bull if you don't like that kinda of relationship don't do it

Doesn't change the fact that they don't take the player's input into account. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

[AresKeith]

Doesn't change the fact that they don't take the player's input into account. 

 

The players input is following through with the romance, now I'd argue the game should've been more clear about this but I'm willing to hand that over to the fact the game had short development 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The players input is following through with the romance, now I'd argue the game should've been more clear about this but I'm willing to hand that over to the fact the game had short development 

It didn't have that short a development so that everything wrong can be excused by it. 

[trevelyan_shep]

An open relationship is good for those that want it. It's a slap to the face to those who didnt. Doesn't seem like a nice thing to do to force this upon the unwilling.

[AresKeith]

An open relationship is good for those that want it. It's a slap to the face to those who didnt. Doesn't seem like a nice thing to do to force this upon the unwilling.

 

They aren't forcing it on anyone, you don't have to do the romance if you don't like it

[trevelyan_shep]

They aren't forcing it on anyone, you don't have to do the romance if you don't like it

But, are you even aware of this before starting the romance? I've never romance her before so I don't know.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They aren't forcing it on anyone, you don't have to do the romance if you don't like it

So for anyone who wants to romance Isabela, they are forcing the open relationship on you.

[AlanC9]

Wait a minute. Can't Hawke just say no to the Zevran thing? I remember seeing that option, though I had Hawke let Izzy go though with it and then break up with her.

If this isn't the case, someone needs to go fix the wiki.

[Captain Wiseass]

Yeah, Hawke can veto Isabela and Zevran's tryst.

 

Alternatively, Hawke can also join in.

[Shechinah]

Yeah, Hawke can veto Isabela and Zevran's tryst.

 

Alternatively, Hawke can also join in.

 

I believe that if Hawke vetoes the Isabella and Zevran tryst, Isabella reacts with exasperation and tells Hawke that there better be something to make up for it later. 

[trevelyan_shep]

They should have given Hawke the opportunity to be just as promiscuous as Isabella within their romance. So it was fair.

[Shechinah]

They should have given Hawke the opportunity to be just as promiscuous as Isabella within their romance. So it was fair.

 

I've never tried but I wonder if you can use the "Blooming Rose" brothel after you've locked into a romance and reached its conclusion?
 

[AtreiyaN7]

I was pleasantly surprised to unlock a female character that I actually want to play who DOESN'T have atrocious hair. Now I get to live my dreams of being a pirate queen with a spiffy hat (as soon as I actually manage to craft that particular armor), and I liked Isabela and wouldn't mind seeing her again. I fail to see how her being an entertaining character in MP affects your lore or headcanon or whatever.

 

1. Considering the "head" part of headcanon, it's an internal, personal take on the story and characters and their fates - which has nothing to do with BW's actual canon and/or MP and/or other people's games. EDIT: And in case that isn't clear, I'm saying that just because Izzy is in MP, it shouldn't impact your take on the story (if she's dead in your world/off partying with Hawke/whatever, it still applies in your headcanon world).
2. Since you hate MP so much, I don't know why you even notice or care what goes on in there (and it's not garbage just because you don't like MP).

 

Per your parenthetical comment in your thread title, I do think you're overreacting, OP.

[AresKeith]

I've never tried but I wonder if you can use the "Blooming Rose" brothel after you've locked into a romance and reached its conclusion?
 

 

I think you can

[Aimi]

Also, Hawke can, y'know, not bring Isabela on the Zevran mission.

I think that Izzy's about as flirty in the MP DLC as she is in DA2 or anywhere else. Even a rivalmance with Diplo/Helpful Hawke (aka "trying to make her into as nice a goody-two-shoes as possible") doesn't really prevent that. Even if Hawke convinces her to take responsibility for her actions, and she does it, she's still Izzy. She's still bisexual, flirty, and sex-positive. Even if she's not actually nailing anybody other than Hawke anymore - and there's nothing that specifically says says she does - she's still going to be sexy and flirty.

The real damage to anybody's headcanon was done in the vanilla game SP, where Hawke and Izzy don't stick together, where Izzy goes back to being a free-spirited irresponsible pirate in spite of rivalry/friendship relationship status (even if unromanced) and in spite of the outcome of the expedition to Ath Velanis, and where Varric refers to all Hawkes that romance Izzy as male due to the single most infuriating banter glitch in the history of gaming.

[wright1978]

Personally I don't see it, I think it's interesting to add an open relationship into the mix of Bioware romances

Only interesting only if it's one permutation for the romance. Not a twisting of the romance after the fact.(if there's more to it than just flirtiness)

[The Elder King]

They should have given Hawke the opportunity to be just as promiscuous as Isabella within their romance. So it was fair.

The ironic part is that Bela doesn't react we'll with Hawke being interested in others/others hitting on Hawke.

[Aimi]

• Considering the "head" part of headcanon, it's an internal, personal take on the story and characters and their fates - which has nothing to do with BW's actual canon and/or MP and/or other people's games. EDIT: And in case that isn't clear, I'm saying that just because Izzy is in MP, it shouldn't impact your take on the story (if she's dead in your world/off partying with Hawke/whatever, it still applies in your headcanon world).
• Since you hate MP so much, I don't know why you even notice or care what goes on in there (and it's not garbage just because you don't like MP).

Per your parenthetical comment in your thread title, I do think you're overreacting, OP.

It's not just "head"canon, it's "entirely valid outcomes of the actual game state in previous games". The whole point of rivaling Izzy, for instance, is to get her to change her ways, take more responsibility for her actions, and recognize the damage that she'd done to other people and their lives. The romance is even more explicit about this.

This isn't to say that the Isabela on a rival path is a completely different person; like I said in my previous post, she's still flirty and funny and generally awesome. I can't imagine an Izzy who would never be attracted to anybody but a romanced Hawke, nor can I imagine an Izzy who wouldn't say anything about that. (Hell, that's an unreasonable expectation out of basically any relationship, let alone one with one of the most sex-positive people in all of Thedas.) Same with a dead Izzy; it's actually impossible to get her killed in DA2, so anything about Isabela being dead has nothing to do with the games. That is the stuff of headcanon, and that's the stuff that BioWare's writers are under no obligation to recognize or respect. But even if the writers aren't responsible for fanon, they are responsible for their own past writing, and it's not unreasonable at all to call them out on characters that aren't acting in the ways that they could have acted in previous BioWare media.

Hell, even looking upthread at some of the other responses shows that that...stuff...flows both ways. Some people are unhappy about Izzy flirting with the other agents; others are unhappy that she would bother to work with the Inquisition when she 'should' be a free spirit with the Armada, relieving fools of their valuables and generally having a fun time. That's an equally valid outcome of DA2's story, and it's not really accounted for in Inquisition in a way that's kind of bemusing.

Like you, I enjoy having Izzy around. She's one of my favorite characters in any BioWare game. If I played more of the MP, I'd probably have a lot of fun with this DLC. And I don't have a problem with her appearance in the MP as it is. But the overall issue raised in the thread - of certain aspects of the world states not being accounted for in game - is a real one, and an unfortunate one. Everything has a cost in game development, and condensing friend and rival Isabela into a single character was probably done for ease of implementation and writing as anything else. But rivalmanced Isabela was an important character to me, and it's less fun to play Inquisition now that she's gone.

[Ashii6]

The ironic part is that Bela doesn't react we'll with Hawke being interested in others/others hitting on Hawke.

I still remember part from Mark of the Assassin DLC. When Tallis was hitting on my Fem!Hawke and Isabela said something like that in angry tone: She likes rogues. Rivaini rogues especially.

And then she added this: I have purpose. I... have Hawke.

So... way to go, BioWare. Way to go to destroy it...

[AresKeith]

I still remember part from Mark of the Assassin DLC. When Tallis was hitting on my Fem!Hawke and Isabela said something like that in angry tone: She likes rogues. Rivaini rogues especially.

And then she added this: I have purpose. I... have Hawke.

So... way to go, BioWare. Way to go to destroy it...

 

You know people in open relationships can still love their spouse more right

[Shechinah]

I still remember part from Mark of the Assassin DLC. When Tallis was hitting on my Fem!Hawke and Isabela said something like that in angry tone: She likes rogues. Rivaini rogues especially.

And then she added this: I have purpose. I... have Hawke.

So... way to go, BioWare. Way to go to destroy it...

 

Talis: "I can honestly say I'm a little jealous of you right now."

Isabela: "Well, there is a lot of Hawke to go around, you've just have to ask me nicely. *wink*"

 

One interpretation could also be that she is not sure what to make of Tallis since she do not have the best history with the Qunari or their philosophy so she dislikes Hawke and Tallis' flirting because she may not like not being able to see all of Tallis' cards but after learning that Talis is trying to prevent families from potentially being harmed or killed, she no longer worries about Tallis' motives or that she may be manipulating Hawke.